The Chairman of Rootclaim is challenging me on my claim that the vax has negative all-cause mortality
He is betting me $500K that I was wrong about the vax. He's the ONLY person in the entire world willing to risk his capital on his belief that the vaccine is beneficial. This will be epic.
Update
We’ve worked out all our differences, signed a termsheet and the bet is proceeding. We just hired a firm to pick the judges. There will be 5 judges, all with scientific background and they all must pass a screening test we jointly designed. 2 judges will lean my way, 2 judges will lean Saar’s way, and one judge will be neutral.
If you want to bet against me on this challenge, you can place your wager of $10,000 or more on this page.
You can also see the full list who is betting against me (currently empty as of July 8, 2023).
This is easy money folks.
Saar is on the side of every health authority in the world that the vaccines save more people than they kill.
Background
I had over fifteen $1 million dollar bet offers on the table for months. Nobody accepted them, so I posted I was withdrawing the offers on November 10, 2022.
On November 17, Saar Wilf, founder of Rootclaim, notified me he was accepting my offer (that had been revoked a week earlier).
I explained he’s free to make me a new offer and I’ll consider it since the outstanding offer was revoked the week before.
He created a term sheet and sent it to me
He basically wanted a small number of judges and a low threshold of conviction to win the money.
I thought it should be a high bar to win.
I said he should publish his research in the meantime to save lives while we do the contest since his evidence is so convincing. Publishing his arguments early doesn’t impact his ability to win… Either he has the evidence or he doesn’t. This shouldn’t be a surprise analysis just to win the debate. I was baffled that he hasn’t published his analysis proving the vaccines work.
He declined to do so arguing it wouldn’t change any minds.
I am baffled how he thinks it will change the judges’ minds…
My final proposal
Ultimately, I said I would agree to all his terms, except I wanted:
The claim being debated here should be whether the introduction of the COVID vaccines resulted in a net increase or decrease in all-cause mortality
I was agreeable to a panel of 6 judges, suggested by a mutually agreeable scientist (such as John Ioannidis or a reasonable facsimile), where 3 of the judges were vaccinated and 3 were unvaccinated. You had to get all 6 judges to agree that your hypothesis was more likely to be correct than your opponents (civil standard of proof) based on the evidence presented to the judges.
I was perfectly fine to do a term sheet with all of his suggested terms with the two modifications above.
I have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the vaccines cause such harm and I am willing to be bound by that. He has always wanted a very low standard of proof to win. He even admitted to me his evidence was weak.
The reason for the vax vs. unvaxxed judges is because judges are never truly unbiased, so it was important to have the same number of judges leaning pro- vs. con- going into the debate. If the US population were exactly 50% vaccinated, we wouldn’t have to look at this.
Saar refused what I considered to be a very reasonable counter-offer that would not advantage either side and would result in convincing “proof” that the bet was won based on the strength of the evidence, i.e., that the win would be convincing and meaningful.
Saar then said this was changing the terms, not good-faith negotiation, not acceptable, and he planned to sue me for a cause of action that he was unable to articulate.
Here is the entire dialog. His offer starts on page 4.
What do you think?
I fixed the broken link. I had moved it to a PDF and forgot to change the text. I updated the text to refer to the PDF but the .docx is still available for people who got an email of the old post.
I also read your dialogue and I feel like you weren't understanding pretty basic questions from Rootclaim, which makes me concerned about the rest of your analysis (assuming you're a native English speaker).
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[6:44 PM, 9/25/2022] Saar Wilf: hi again. we have another question: a vaccine killing more than it saves,
could have two meanings:
1. individual level - a person taking the vaccine will increase his chance of dying within that time period.
2. population level - if the vaccines were not administered at all, we would have less deaths overall.
for which one is the challenge, or can we choose?
[6:50 PM, 9/25/2022] Steven Kirsch: Means the intervention kills more people than it will save from the
disease
[6:51 PM, 9/25/2022] Steven Kirsch: I claim Vax has negative net benefit
[6:58 PM, 9/25/2022] Saar Wilf: i understand but which of the two options do you mean by this, or can we
pick one?
[9:51 AM, 9/26/2022] Steven Kirsch: my claim is the vaccine kills more people than it will save from dying
from COVID. You have no chance of proving that.
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Like you could've easily answered 1, 2, or both, but instead you didn't seem to get the question.