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So that would be a no? You can't actually provide true molecular proof? Of course you can't. No one can. Yet so many, including and especially big pharma swear by their studies - none of which are actual proof of molecular efficacy.

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Cod Liver, the other day you lectured me about ''losing credibility.'' On another Stack. Lol. You keep saying the same bs, over and over. Nobody, anywhere cares what you have to say. Own it.

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Cold liver is pretty much the definition of a strawman argument.

His "arguments" do little to nothing to help the purpose of Steve's substack. I figure he's either a person that needs to think he is important with his "deep levels of chem and bio ... what I bring to the table" (LOL) or he is a paid troll in an attempt to make the substack look kooky.

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Steve's articles serve one purpose, but what he claims, is hard to prove. I can prove vaccines don't work. And once we know that, then we don't ever have to take vaccines again. Killing two birds with one stone.

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And yet and still, no one can prove it's actual BS. The chemistry i bring to the table is not something many here grasp. I get it. I get not all, if any here know deep levels of chem and bio - but here's a great chance, with me, for yall to learn some. Many actually do care serafino - they actually care what I have to say. Many are intrigued, curious, interested in what I bring to the table. Just because 3 or 4 go at it with me - you should not ignore the countless dozens here on substack who agree and like my comments and my main post about how vaccines don't work.

Yall need to get over it and get over yourselves. I'm here for real science - not politics, not agendas, not personality contests - and definitely not hack science.

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What I do know is that when I gave it to my horse for years, it always kept the parasites under control. It's been that way for countless horseowners for decades.

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What Pfizer, Moderna et al know is that their vaccines work - they have made and used vaccines for years, they have saved millions of lives over the years...

Yet, I'm here to tell them vaccines don't work, have never worked, have never saved any lives. So too ivermectin.

Do vaccines work or don't they? Risk vs Reward - is the Juice worth the squeeze? No, and no.

https://rev10.substack.com/p/vaccines-do-they-work-or-are-they

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Just so you know - you are talking here with a person whose husband has been a virologist/immunologist for over 50 yrs. He worked in Public Health Dept. of PA for years and also worked with a Nobel prize winning scientist. As such, he helped to develop jabs back in 1970s - and quit because he found out what was in them. SB-40 for one, which is a cancer virus. He hasn't been jabbed since then. We do know that the principal of jabs do work, IOW if you are exposed to a small amount of virus, etc. your immune system will develop immunity to that bacteria, virus, etc. We know this and it's why homeopathy works, too. IMO, the question re: jabs at this point is NOT whether or not they work - it's do they cause damage? Considering that mercury, aluminum, SB-40 and more are ingredients of jabs, we can safely say that they do cause harm and even death. Jabs, as they are currently being made are NOT vaccines as they don't utilize standard vax procedures when they are made. mRNA is something entirely different than the classic vax. Now, back to Ivermectin, our original conversation: it has never been known to harm, injure or kill anyone unless you take enormous amounts of it, which most sane people wouldn't do. Do they work? Yes, they have been known to kill many forms of cancer for one, but also all parasites. I can't show you proof, but Ivermectin has been used for decades and has been shown to keep animals and people from getting sick. This is known as anecdotal evidence and in spite of what modern, i.e. fake science says - anecdotal evidence is some of the best evidence there is. Farmers are not idiots, they are very practical, evidence-based folks for the most part. If something doesn't work they wouldn't use it. Farmers have used Ivermectin for a very long time - because when they use it, they don't see their animals getting sick from parasites. This is why they keep using it, not because big pharma told them it works. That's all I am going to say about this topic.

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Don't waste your time with cold (strawman) liver. If you read enough of his posts, you will see that most of his posts are more about how he is right and everyone else is wrong which tells anyone with common sense that his information is suspect AND he is more about self-adulation instead of wanting to be a constructive community member hoping to help others.

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Thank you! That's my impression of him, good description.

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What I have learned, throughout this pandemic, or what has been the most glaring to me - is how little the science community, chemists, biologists, virologists, epidemiologists, etc. know about viruses, vaccines, pandemics, and most importantly, the immune system. Some on twitter, and in formal media, have been forced to admit they got stuff wrong, they made a mistake here and there and on and on.

I admit, my work, my research, is not of the norm. It's not out or in the box. But, it is right, correct. When I tell you vaccines don't work, it's not from some politcal stance/agenda - but "simply" from having a better understanding of how the body works. My writings seem to always go against the grain of what so many have come to know. When someone tells me we have employed X methodologies and treatments including drug therapies - for 50 plus years - that tells me right off they are locked into ideas and dogma of yesteryear. Science is not static. I bring the new. Vaccines have never worked, nor ivermectin - details here: Do vaccines work or don't they? Risk vs Reward - is the Juice worth the squeeze? No, and no.

https://rev10.substack.com/p/vaccines-do-they-work-or-are-they Read it first and then get back to me.

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