I had a nice 1 hour chat with William M. Briggs, a well known statistician. He did not find a safety signal for the elderly in the New Zealand data. His approach was fine, but he missed the signal.
Dear Steve, Will there be a part 3 of your discussion with Bill Briggs? I liked that series because this exchange of arguments between such intelligent actors is often highly clarifying. Also, it would be interesting to hear your comments to a post by Eugyppius (also on Substack) who argues there is simply no reservoir within the NZ death excess for the number of vaccin deaths that would result from the percentage that you claim.
Argument is often healthy and productive. However, many conflate "argument" with "altercation." This is sad.
Productive argument is uncomfortable. It requires personal strength and integrity.
Avoiding argument is commonly a sign of personal weakness and cowardice. It sometimes exposes the coward's fear of being incorrect and/or of having something to hide.
Enough scientists and doctors worldwide have examined the vials of the Not-A-Vaccine Bio-weapon shot. Their findings prove that NO thinking person would ever knowingly agree to put this toxic cocktail inside their bodies once the facts are known. For those who are STILL arguing that the Quackcines are safe, AOC has a special message just for you...“We should go to the sun at NIGHT because it will be cooler then.”
WELL STEVE AN EXCELLENT VIDEO. THANK YOU FOR KEEPING TRYING TO PROVE THE TRUTH ABOUT THE JAB. THEY MUST COVER UP BECAUSE THE TRUTH WOULD COST HUGE AMMOUNTS OF MONEY FOR COMPENSATION. THEY ARE A CLOSED GROUP OF PEOPLE YOU ARE UP AGAINST. IF A PERSON IS INJURED BY A MEDICINE THE CONSULTANTS WILL NOT DELIVER THE TRUTH ABOUT THE MEDICINE OR GIVE EVIDANCE AS THEY MIGHT LOOSE THEIR POSITION IN THE NHS ALSO A CLOSED SHOP.. IN THE END THEY WITH YOUR PERSISTANCE THEY WILL EVENRUALY GIVE IN. THE TRUTH AND THEY KNOW IT WILL PLAY ON THEIR MINDS AND YOU ARE REMINDING THEM OF IT.
Mr. Kirsch: Please contact The National Academy Review of Covid Vaccine Safety Committee. A committee is being formed to study vaccine safety. You can make a comment on committee composition and the structure of the study. If you review its report on the polio vaccine, you may agree on its objectivity. The announcement of committee formation with a highlighted line to provide input to the Academy is here: https://www.nationalacademies.org/our-work/review-of-cdc-covid-19-vaccine-safety-research-and-communications#sectionProjectScope
Why is this governor taking so long to release? If it’s Florida I will be livid. I can deconstruct how he made the money first than changed. Wrote the law 8 months (way to late) to allow outside doc. My sis a casualty
David Orski rebuts Kirsch's MOAR presentation. Mr. Kirsh keeps calling out scientists to prove him wrong, Mr. Orski does here: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/ I attended Mr. Kirsh's presentation and think that I was the only one who sat and did not applaud upon completion (I yelled out about the polio vaccine as being useful), not because I am smarter than him, but the sloppiness of the presentation made me question his credibility. First, simple me would test the data feed several times to make sure it was working and not make my audience sit for 13 minutes; secondly, I would have coordinated with the MIT students to limit their comments to 30 seconds; third I would have focused on the NZ data; fourth, how can you have 2 gold standards? Medicare and NZ; Fifth, he goes on to attack all vaccines, citing the pediatrician practice that does not vaccinate its patients which really made me question his credibility at this time. Reviewing the slides, the analysis of the NZ data is superficial, without back-up confirming data and other errors described by Mr. Orski. I really wanted to believe, I have been following Mr. Kirsch for over a year and was impressed with his tenacity, energy, his MIT degree and tech background, but now it just seems he truly doesn't listen to others and that maybe his early success in life may have bred overconfidence and a Midas syndrome. Anyway, I hope he can focus his energies in a more scientific manner which he now seems lacking as indicated by Mr. Orski.
To me, this whole controversy, while interesting. is not as clear and compelling as merely looking at gross New Zealand mortality data that nobody is disputing.
New Zealand was and is experiencing significant mortality according to official OECD data.
6% in 2021
18% in 2022
14% in 2023 (so far)
You can argue that these numbers are just in the thousands, and you would be 100% correct, But for a country that typically averaged just 32,000 to 33,000 total deaths per year (using previous 5 year rolling averages), excess mortality in the thousands is very significant.
So the question becomes, why is New Zealand experiencing all of this excess mortality? For whatever reason or reasons, New Zealand experienced significant excess mortality on 2019 and a significant decline back to baseline mortality in 2020. But since then, New Zealand has been setting new historic records for mortality in both 2021 and 2022. And the 2023 data is on pace to come in behind just the HUGE spike in mortality New Zealand suffered in 2022--4,400 more deaths than in any year before 2021!
Now consider that according Wikipedia, New Zealand's official vaccination statistics once claimed that New Zealand's primary series vaccination rate for residents over 12 was 94.7%. And consider that fewer than 60 people died from COVID in New Zealand before the less deadly omicron variant took and well after over 95% of New Zealand's primary series vaccination effort had been completed.
So why has their been so much excess mortality, both COVID and non-COVID, in such a "protected population"? And when is somebody going to say anything about this that doesn't muddy the waters with outrageous overstatements?
2023 (so far): 28,993 deaths (through 40 weeks, so on track for 37, 691 for the entire year), 3,548.8 excess deaths, 14% excess mortality, 1,045 COVID deaths (29% of excess mortality)
By any measure, 2022 and 2023 are HUGE outliers. You can try to pin this all on omicron, but all that does is highlight the lack of efficacy of these injections rather than their lack of safety.
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We aren’t prepared for the hell Demonicrats will put America through In 2024. From: The Federalist. Democrats cornered themselves. But there is absolutely no way in hell they will quietly plod their way to likely defeat. It’s going to get very, very messy, and it’s destined to be dangerous. -- WE THE PEOPLE UNITE WITH GOD AND LIKE MINDED
Dear Steve, Will there be a part 3 of your discussion with Bill Briggs? I liked that series because this exchange of arguments between such intelligent actors is often highly clarifying. Also, it would be interesting to hear your comments to a post by Eugyppius (also on Substack) who argues there is simply no reservoir within the NZ death excess for the number of vaccin deaths that would result from the percentage that you claim.
Argument is often healthy and productive. However, many conflate "argument" with "altercation." This is sad.
Productive argument is uncomfortable. It requires personal strength and integrity.
Avoiding argument is commonly a sign of personal weakness and cowardice. It sometimes exposes the coward's fear of being incorrect and/or of having something to hide.
Wow, can’t comment on Kim Dotcom post. Shiva is arrogant and appears to be a BSer.
Enough scientists and doctors worldwide have examined the vials of the Not-A-Vaccine Bio-weapon shot. Their findings prove that NO thinking person would ever knowingly agree to put this toxic cocktail inside their bodies once the facts are known. For those who are STILL arguing that the Quackcines are safe, AOC has a special message just for you...“We should go to the sun at NIGHT because it will be cooler then.”
WELL STEVE AN EXCELLENT VIDEO. THANK YOU FOR KEEPING TRYING TO PROVE THE TRUTH ABOUT THE JAB. THEY MUST COVER UP BECAUSE THE TRUTH WOULD COST HUGE AMMOUNTS OF MONEY FOR COMPENSATION. THEY ARE A CLOSED GROUP OF PEOPLE YOU ARE UP AGAINST. IF A PERSON IS INJURED BY A MEDICINE THE CONSULTANTS WILL NOT DELIVER THE TRUTH ABOUT THE MEDICINE OR GIVE EVIDANCE AS THEY MIGHT LOOSE THEIR POSITION IN THE NHS ALSO A CLOSED SHOP.. IN THE END THEY WITH YOUR PERSISTANCE THEY WILL EVENRUALY GIVE IN. THE TRUTH AND THEY KNOW IT WILL PLAY ON THEIR MINDS AND YOU ARE REMINDING THEM OF IT.
Mr. Kirsch: Please contact The National Academy Review of Covid Vaccine Safety Committee. A committee is being formed to study vaccine safety. You can make a comment on committee composition and the structure of the study. If you review its report on the polio vaccine, you may agree on its objectivity. The announcement of committee formation with a highlighted line to provide input to the Academy is here: https://www.nationalacademies.org/our-work/review-of-cdc-covid-19-vaccine-safety-research-and-communications#sectionProjectScope
Why is this governor taking so long to release? If it’s Florida I will be livid. I can deconstruct how he made the money first than changed. Wrote the law 8 months (way to late) to allow outside doc. My sis a casualty
WE HAVE THE BLACKED OUT 8 MINUTES FOR YOU!!!!
Covid vaccines & operation warp speed was cut from the live feed of the latest republican debate.
This is what was blacked out from the American public for 8 minutes
If msm & their big pharma pay masters didn't want you to see it, then it's probably worth sharing.
https://x.com/wolsned/status/1733418258642993633?s=20
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If A Vaccinated Person
Drops Dead In The Forest
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David Orski rebuts Kirsch's MOAR presentation. Mr. Kirsh keeps calling out scientists to prove him wrong, Mr. Orski does here: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/steve-kirschs-mother-of-all-revelations-about-the-deadliness-of-covid-19-vaccines-goes-poof/ I attended Mr. Kirsh's presentation and think that I was the only one who sat and did not applaud upon completion (I yelled out about the polio vaccine as being useful), not because I am smarter than him, but the sloppiness of the presentation made me question his credibility. First, simple me would test the data feed several times to make sure it was working and not make my audience sit for 13 minutes; secondly, I would have coordinated with the MIT students to limit their comments to 30 seconds; third I would have focused on the NZ data; fourth, how can you have 2 gold standards? Medicare and NZ; Fifth, he goes on to attack all vaccines, citing the pediatrician practice that does not vaccinate its patients which really made me question his credibility at this time. Reviewing the slides, the analysis of the NZ data is superficial, without back-up confirming data and other errors described by Mr. Orski. I really wanted to believe, I have been following Mr. Kirsch for over a year and was impressed with his tenacity, energy, his MIT degree and tech background, but now it just seems he truly doesn't listen to others and that maybe his early success in life may have bred overconfidence and a Midas syndrome. Anyway, I hope he can focus his energies in a more scientific manner which he now seems lacking as indicated by Mr. Orski.
To me, this whole controversy, while interesting. is not as clear and compelling as merely looking at gross New Zealand mortality data that nobody is disputing.
New Zealand was and is experiencing significant mortality according to official OECD data.
6% in 2021
18% in 2022
14% in 2023 (so far)
You can argue that these numbers are just in the thousands, and you would be 100% correct, But for a country that typically averaged just 32,000 to 33,000 total deaths per year (using previous 5 year rolling averages), excess mortality in the thousands is very significant.
So the question becomes, why is New Zealand experiencing all of this excess mortality? For whatever reason or reasons, New Zealand experienced significant excess mortality on 2019 and a significant decline back to baseline mortality in 2020. But since then, New Zealand has been setting new historic records for mortality in both 2021 and 2022. And the 2023 data is on pace to come in behind just the HUGE spike in mortality New Zealand suffered in 2022--4,400 more deaths than in any year before 2021!
Now consider that according Wikipedia, New Zealand's official vaccination statistics once claimed that New Zealand's primary series vaccination rate for residents over 12 was 94.7%. And consider that fewer than 60 people died from COVID in New Zealand before the less deadly omicron variant took and well after over 95% of New Zealand's primary series vaccination effort had been completed.
So why has their been so much excess mortality, both COVID and non-COVID, in such a "protected population"? And when is somebody going to say anything about this that doesn't muddy the waters with outrageous overstatements?
https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/18bs160/a_simple_analysis_of_new_zealands_official_oecd/
New Zealand's history mortality:
2014 31,062
2015 31,625
2016 31,176
2017 33,499
2018 33,059
2019 34,095
2020: 32,522 deaths, -168.8 excess deaths, 25 COVID deaths
2021: 34,802 deaths, 2111.2 excess deaths, 6% excess mortality, 26 COVID deaths (1% of excess mortality)
2022: 38,478 deaths, 5787.2 excess deaths, 18% excess mortality, 2,280 COVID deaths (39% of excess mortality)
2023 (so far): 28,993 deaths (through 40 weeks, so on track for 37, 691 for the entire year), 3,548.8 excess deaths, 14% excess mortality, 1,045 COVID deaths (29% of excess mortality)
By any measure, 2022 and 2023 are HUGE outliers. You can try to pin this all on omicron, but all that does is highlight the lack of efficacy of these injections rather than their lack of safety.
And people who throw around $1mil debate bets aren't scientists either.
Real scientists relish a healthy debate, it's called discovery
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Any law that violates the Constitution is null and void, no matter who makes it, and an unconstitutional law “imposes no duties, confers no right, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it” No matter how dire the emergency, the Constitution may not be suspended or violated No government agent or agency has the authority to overrule the local sheriff’s decisions. The sheriff is the ultimate authority and law enforcement power in his or her jurisdiction. FEAR = FORGET EVERYTHING AND RUN -- OR MY CHOICE = FACE EVERYTHING AND RISE --- UNITE --- FAITH = FOR ALL I TRUST HIM --- IN GOD WE TRUST ONE NATION UNDER GOD
We aren’t prepared for the hell Demonicrats will put America through In 2024. From: The Federalist. Democrats cornered themselves. But there is absolutely no way in hell they will quietly plod their way to likely defeat. It’s going to get very, very messy, and it’s destined to be dangerous. -- WE THE PEOPLE UNITE WITH GOD AND LIKE MINDED