I've modified the start of the article to add an explanation as to why I went down the rabbit hole and what I learned and why it is relevant.
I also pointed out that the burden is on Lanka et al. to show their hypothesis better fits the data. They can't even explain the simplest observations. (added 8/2 at 10:47am PST).
I've modified the start of the article to add an explanation as to why I went down the rabbit hole and what I learned and why it is relevant.
I also pointed out that the burden is on Lanka et al. to show their hypothesis better fits the data. They can't even explain the simplest observations. (added 8/2 at 10:47am PST).
So there are now two new sections at the start that weren't in the emailed version.
Holy crap, Steve. This discussion thread literally is the flat earth society. We are in a pandemic but it is one of mental illness, cognitive dissonance and disassociation (let's use bad science to disprove good science!). The Internet allows these birds of a feather to flock together to reinforce the alternate realities, proof of the larger dangers of our interconnected world.
Darwin - hey, his theories were probably all bunk, too, right? See flames to this post as proof lol - is hard at work sorting this out, though. Keep up your good work and if you ever lose the $1M I'll pay for our move to Mars.
I think the bigger issue is simply that we do not yet have clear evidence that this particle (called the covid virus) which is delivered by the spike proteins, is actually the thing causing disease. We do have much evidence showing that the spike proteins cause tissue damage. And the jabs are full of the spike proteins. Apparently people can catch the virus because the spike protein makes this possible. But we are still looking at correlation of the two, without any real evidence the payload inside of the spike protein (the virus) is the actual CAUSE.
So the red herring or strawman argument becomes whether or not the virus exists at all. This keeps people focused on something OTHER THAN the injuries the spike proteins are causing. Rather than arguing about whether the virus exists, people need to start asking whether we have any reliable evidence the virus is in fact what is causing disease. It does appear the real problem is the spike proteins. So we need to stop injecting them into people.
1- Actually, when you get into it the spike protein is a curative agent. I'm NOT talking about the garbage they put in the kill shot. I'm talking about the body's defense system. Whatever is seen of the "spike protein" is an artists depiction of what a flat black and white image in an electron micrograph may look like in 3D. Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body, as a defense against something that's not right IN the body, like an acidic pH or cellular degeneration due to electromagnetic radiation.
2- You cannot "catch" a virus. Viruses do not exist as infectious agents floating around in the air waiting to infect you. During the Spanish Flu researchers tried many ways (more than a dozen) to infect healthy people with the flu. They took snot and saliva from sick people and put it in the mouths, up their noses, in their eyes and I can't remember what all else they tried and they were unable to make even ONE person sick.
It is so strange to me that Steve Kirsch is not even suspicious that MAYBE poor health is what causes diseases. He is stuck on the idea that you can avoid disease by avoid contact with ubiquitous particles.
You are right on at least one count. Darwin's Theories are all bunk. The Science is never settled. And the best you guys can do is compare anyone who disagrees with your positions to the Flat Earthers. Ad Hominid, Appeal to Authority. What other attacks hide behind your CD and D-K minds?
Yeah imagine choosing Darwin's theory as your one banker scientific theory that only a crank could disagree with - that is, the notion that this keyboard I'm typing on now happened by accident, after some molecules in a soup bumped into each other in a specific way and then this carried on.
The SARSCoV2 bioweapon was intentionally made as a mild but infectious manmade virus using what Baric describes a 'no-see-ums method' . So ppl die through layers of nanobot toxicity depending on their immune system. Other than Dr Richard Fleming, here is Dr Charles B. Simone. an Internist, a Medical Oncologist, a Radiation Oncologist, and an Immunologist, with more evidence on the patented bioweapon and it's disguise using the viral genome technique.
Everything is hidden in plain sight for us to see. Ppl have a gut instinct that this is true, so no need for further argumentative distractions from holding these ppl to account. The virus is not deadly just contagious but mainly ppl with low immunity and more harmful for ppl with comorbidities and latent diseases. https://www.simonesuperenergy.com/covid-19-bioweapon/
Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body as a defense against something that's not right INSIDE the body. They are NOT infectious. Researchers during the Spanish Flu proved that viral infection does not exist. A dangerous spike protein was engineered in a lab and is used in the kill shot.
The bio-weapon is the dangerous spike protein, which is contained IN the vax. Dr. Robert Young PhD had a post where he sent out letters to dozens of medical agencies all over the world asking if they had any evidence for the existence of of SARS-CoV-2. He included full page readable screenshots of all the replies that he received. The post was HUGE, very long. Not even one confirmed isolation. Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body as a repair protein against something that's not right INSIDE the body, like an acidic pH caused by electromagnetic radiation or a build-up of toxic chemicals caused from eating man's garbage, so-called "food".
Dr. Saeed Qureshi expert in medical diagnostic testing (its chemistry stupid) just squashed you. Avg people can figure this out. No billionaires or even chemistry degrees required. Step by Step logic PLUS avg people can conduct their own real control experiment and attempt to "catch the Specifit "variant" and symptoms" of any sick relative or friend that is supposedly sick with a "virus" - common cold, flu, strep, whooping cough, measles, now money pox- ive been letting "covid positive and other sick relatives cough in my face and I drink out of their glasses, hang on couch with them for hours - NOTHING- many times different people, going on 2 yrs now. and Im supposedly HIGH RISK given age and pre existing conditions. Now im waiting to touch a money pox lesion to prove that is a farce.. All illness is poisoning or nutritition deficiency. End of story. The Paradigm shift is here..
Bingo! You cannot prevent diseases while maintaining poor health, no matter how many injections or pills you take. And the evidence is already in that the jabs CAUSE poor health, so.....
I found this comment from him. I wonder which "Steve" he was replying to.
Steve:
Thanks for your kind words about my article and also for asking the questions.
First, to be clear that I am not a microbiologist or virologist. I am a chemist and have worked in the pharmaceuticals area for 30+ years (as a scientist with Health Canada). I gained significant experience and expertise in critically evaluating pharmaceutical products.
Regarding the claim of virus isolation, I am saying that the experiments microbiologists/virologists perform and describe, such as virus characterization, identification, belongs to the chemistry discipline. However, the chemistry work has not been conducted accurately; hence claims made are incorrect.
There are many ways to describe and explain the inaccuracies. One of which is that of isolation of a substance, in this case, a virus. If one needs to isolate a virus, one must go through multiple steps, such as extraction, purification, identification, and structure determination, resulting in a pure sample of the virus. Nothing of this sort has been done for the virus isolation, in particular, SARS-CoV-2. Therefore, it cannot be said that the virus has been isolated and identified, or even it exists.
On the other hand, microbiologists and virologists (among others) work with a modified definition and description of the term isolation, for their purpose, as taking a swab sample (i.e., separating virus from the host). That is not a good scientific practice. Therefore, in reality, a virus never gets isolated in its true or pure form.
On the other hand, to appear scientific, the DNA/RNA sequencing is considered as a claim of “identifying” the virus in a swab sample without truly “isolating” it (we chemists call it a clean-up step). Some chemical steps using enzymes (commonly known as polymerization, again a chemistry step) are conducted, followed by taking some pictures of the soup with an electron microscope. Observing spherical bodies with spikes are considered to reflect the existence of coronavirus.
From this soup (note everything is from the soup, nothing from pure virus), DNA or RNA or its fragments are extracted to establish their sequences. There is no evidence that this DNA or RNA is from anything specific, including the virus – it is an assumption. Based on computer analysis and comparison with previously obtained “reference” sequence (usually obtained from WHO depository), which is also “isolated” in a similar manner (without isolating the virus), virus existence is established. If the sequence did not match the “reference” sequence (not a virus), it would become a new virus or new strain.
The publications, links you provided all follow the same or similar protocol as I summarized above. I have critically reviewed two such publications, one from Australia (the one you noted in your post as well), the other from the USA (CDC), where I explained: “science” behind “isolation” of the virus. Links are provided (link1, link2) please have a look.
I have been arguing for some time that nowhere I can find an isolated virus, so why people keep claiming isolated virus. My recent discussion with a microbiologist made it clear that the virus has never been isolated but misrepresented by incorrect definition of the word “isolation.” That makes it clear why I could never find the sample and specimen of the pure virus because it does not exist. One may imagine my shock after hearing this – so I wrote the article.
I hope I answered your query adequately. Otherwise, let me know. I will explain it further. I like to make another point, without going into technical details, the sequencing (chemistry) part is pretty iffy. It is well known to the people in the area that sequencing steps can produce highly unpredictable results. The PCR test, which in reality is based on sequencing, suffers this weakness. Hence one sees so many false positive or negative outcomes that make the lack of “virus existence” claim even stronger. (edited)
Thank you Steve for doing this! The fact that people like Fauci, CDC, FDA are never willing to engage in challenging debates with influential people of opposing views tells you a lot.
I agree it is time to move on. But you keep holding the unproven position. I will leave you with these two links. one is a great analogy about dandelions and virology. The other is why Jon Rappaport dismisses your challenge. Both are an excellent read.
The John Rappoport touches on the subject of isolating the virus by concocting a "soup." This process is explained in detail in the video The End of Germ Theory, starting at 29:00.
Everybody needs to watch that video and read the articles you posted, especially Steve.
Steve, the REAL issue is that there is no hard evidence these particular particles are causing disease. Correlation is not proof of CAUSE. People in poor health get sick or infected. We do know this much for sure. And it does look like this produces more of these particles we call viruses. Poor health has MANY causes, none of which pharma will examine in their attempt to prove that these particular particles are the cause of health problems.
OBVIOUSLY this smoke and mirror game is intended to sell more VACCINES.
The FACT that the vast majority of people who test positive for these particles never get any symptoms, should at least make you WONDER if they are truly the cause of anything.
This is the part where pharma has you FULLY hoodwinked. Until you accept that you MIGHT be wrong about the cause of disease, (i.e., imagine that something OTHER THAN a virus is at play) you will never recover from the spell, and your ability to get the core truth out there will remain blocked.
CERN requires a 1 in 3.5 million odds ratio before they accept that a theoretical particle is actually responsible for the reactions they are seeing. Here, we have a purportedly observable particle, a virus. But we have essentially ZERO evidence that it is in fact the CAUSE of what we are seeing (disease) and MUCH evidence showing that it is NOT the cause of the disease.
"But it MUST be what is causing the disease, because it EXISTS!" - is an obtuse position. Proving that a particle exists does not prove that it is the CAUSE of anything at all.
Show us EVIDENCE that this particle is the CAUSE of the disease or symptoms of the disease. This would end this debate. But you CANNOT do this. So you attempt to claim that the existence of this particle is ALSO evidence that it is causing disease. This is EXACTLY how pharma wants you to frame this.
We know that biological agents being adapted to be more infectious and varying degrees of toxicity all made to look like a naturally occurring 'virus' is happening. The solutions as a key to these problems were also created and patented for maximum profit. The biggest surprise for vaccine developers is how quickly it shot ppl down. Immune systems already made poorly from years of chemicals, food, water and air toxicity.
Arguing about the existence of a virus is a moot point, ppl are dying from GM biological agents created in a lab, while ppl decide on its label as a 'virus' is absurd. The likes of WIV and other global BSL4 lab operating collaboratively, like a satanic consortium, funded by Ecohealth Alliance backed by NIH are not built for tea parties. There is never any need for gain of function studies other than to create biological agents that maim and kill.
Clearly we are in need of a human-centric bioethics commission selected by the World Health Alliance.
How about just enforcing our existing rights to not have ANYBODY telling us that we must inject into our bodies? Handing over control to yet another global power does not sound like a good answer to any of this. The more local the power, the more likely it will not become corrupted. I prefer to maintain control over my own body. I will NEVER trust a global power with my health or life. Obama had a bioethics committee when he was in office. They determined that there was nothing unethical about slaughtering a child up to the age of three. They put this in PRINT. No thanks to a group deciding FOR US what is "ethical". That part is between me and God.
You make very good points about also working locally, especially getting councils back on track away from agenda 2030 and with the ppl. Constitutional lawyers fighting battles in Canada,. The lead guy wrote bill of rights in Canada fighting at age 80 the destruction of the charter by legal amendments.. I mention this bcos he even had trouble speaking at his local town council. So we have to start with ourselves, then our communities, grass level filtering back to the top as well as competing organisation globally. I took control of bodily autonomy admittedly I haven't been directly threatened just coerced. There is a bioethics committee useless as tits on a bull. We need the world alliance and world Council of Health collaborating with a bioethics committee under the Great Barrington Declaration. The actual pandemic response was overridden by WEF and the hijacked WHO. All national pandemic plans went out the window. The World Health Alliance are driven by Hippocratic Oath of first do no harm and are very much on the side of real health for the ppl. Just thought I wld clarify that. I'm sure the new organisations as a parallel alternative to WHO have their checks and balances in place.
I will always reject the idea of a powerful body controlling our health. We must work to dispossess current global and national bodies that claim power to decide what we do with our bodies. Constructing and empowering more of these entities, which will all inevitably be hijacked by evil, is not something I am interested in.
The answers are not outside of ourselves. There are no others who are more fit to decided what we do with our bodies. We must not believe that all answers lie in granting others power to fix things for us. We must fight to take charge of our own lives, and we must argue AGAINST these entities who claim to have such power over us.
A new group empowered to control the corrupted group, RATHER THAN simply affirming that NOBODY (other than ourselves) should be making personal medical decisions for us, will only lead to others having even MORE power. And we would have been the ones to hand it to them.
I am OFF of this train. There is zero chance I can be convinced that new global entities should be created and given even MORE power than the ones we are fighting to get rid of right now.
Nobody is coming to save us. We must save ourselves. In believing someone else out there, someone more powerful, smarter, (more whatever) will come to our rescue if only we give them more power, we die, and we leave our progeny with even less chance of survival.
Not trusting and being individualistic is not the answer. Yes, we need to take control and critically analyse the science. To get the true science and medical protocol that saves lives there must be a way to oversee the establishment. You, or I alone cannot pull them into gear. We cannot pretend that institutions don't exist some of what western medicine has achieved has been useful. In particular I had a virus I tried holistically to heal but it took one specific antiviral to help heal me and get me out of excruciating pain.
We need to unify with medico legal bodies that have our backs, or we forever have corruption superseding and creating pandemic orders. Takes more than one, takes all of us with doctors and scientists proving day after day their integrity. Standing with the FLCCC in the US and AMPS , Covid Medical Network in Oz etc to push the boundaries and make sure we are considered in the healthcare paradigm, that we always get informed consent when we require to use the system.
AHPRA and TGA in Oz are out of control with power. Many ppl write letters and are ignored, even MPs aware of the false narrative. Doctors, specialists and allied health whistleblowers, gradually standing up risking immediate deregistration but it has to be done and we must get behind them to shift this evil chaos.
Wow. You use the word "individualistic" as a pejorative. You HATE the very idea of an INDIVIDUAL deciding what to do with their own body. You have a well-developed derogatory language with which to describe people who do not believe others should make personal medical choices for them, and even MANDATE injections on premise of the collective good.
Where did you learn that? In a communist indoctrination camp? We call them public schools and universities now. I am glad I was done with my schooling before the Chicoms started funding our systems of education and working directly with our professors, even giving them massive bribes in order to obtain their obedience.
You prefer to trust someone ELSE with your own body, and you do not believe individuals should play any role in such decisions. So you beg for new (and better) rulers to govern your body. And that is fine, but you are fighting to grant such people the power to govern MY body as well!
Go with that. Trust whomever you wish to govern your own body. I will fight such nonsense with my last breath on earth.
I think you have misconstrued my words. I never said to follow mandates and agree with bodily autonomy and being knowledgeable and discerning.
I do not advocate giving over my power to choose to anyone.
I merely suggested that the medico system ppl are using needs to be drained just like the swamp that many institutions have become.
I explained that there is hope that these structures will be held to account by alternate structures fighting on our behalf because one person can't fight this evil alone.
Please understand that unity of what freedom lovers want to achieve has to be grassroots first starting with ourselves, but also acknowledging unification based on integrity and higher values needs to also happen for the good in medicine has been infiltrated by the very bad..
God bless, wishing you peace, happiness, abundance and good health.
Thank you for clearing that up. Your words "individualistic" and untrusting, were interesting to me. The idea that we SHOULD just "trust" ANYONE to tell us what is, or is not, ethical to do with OUR bodies - because there is something WRONG with being untrusting or caring about enforcing our individual rights, is appalling to me.
The continued attempt to create a NEW pile of power brokers who will somehow make better or more trustworthy decisions for us is COMMUNISM on steroids. The original CAUSE of this mess we are now in, is people conceding that somebody ELSE needs to handle their health collectively for them.
My unvaccinated body is MINE to do with as I wish. I will not trust a NEW and MORE powerful group of "experts" to make ANY decisions about what is injected into my body. I do NOT want a communist health care model. It leads to GENOCIDE to place government in control of such things.
Hoping that "this time" we will get it right and give such power to better people, is the path to disease and DEATH.
We never give our power to anyone, not even our nearest and dearest. I respect boundaries and understand that this covid nonsense clearly led to an inappropriate encroachment of our personal boundaries.
Joy, I will never forget the way the state and federal government abused their power and attempted to mock and ridicule ppl like me who chose not to inoculate with experiment. The fact they continue to gaslight and mock cruelly in MSM is such an atrocity. They have systems that overpowered and insulted doctors, specialists and allied health professionals, stopped debate through gag orders and censorship, threats of medical licences. Wrong on every level.
We cannot ignore their existence because they have empowered themselves through govt legislation and amendments to health bills, classifying a state of emergency with no real evidence. This is where we find ourselves in Australia. To take back our healthcare system with doctors and medico who signed to the Hippocratic Oath we need to get bigger help these professionals to get more courageous to speak out.
I want to see AHPRA and ATAGI, CEPI gone forever and no attachment to the WHO which hopefully will become defunct. There needs to be a regulator for health products or anyone can patent stuff that is detrimental to our health.
Clearly what we have now is not in favour of our health, has taken away simple therapeutic options which should not have been allowed. Dr Kory and Dr Marik in the FLCCC, Doctors for Covid Ethics, the World Council of Health have arisen due to the systemic failure and corruption of the WHO, subsidiary private NGOs including Bill and Melinda Gates, the WEF, Davos and Bilderberg group, George Soros' Open Society, Rockefellers and Rothchilds, Blackrock and Vanguard. These consortiums have no affinity with the doctor and his relationship to patients and to science under scrutiny of real outcomes to benefit humanity.
Like lambs to the slaughter ppl are being hoodwinked by the MSM and phony health bureaucrats, paid off govt puppets who have no real qualifications to speak of in terms of public health.
I do not want to have these organisations in charge creating bioweapons to scare normies and providing solutions with more toxic bioweapons to depop planet of what they claim are 'useless eaters'.
I am very indignant that I survived so many things in this life and to add insult to injury these fools deliberately make things difficult.. A life gifted by God while I have these fools impress upon me that my life is somehow less important and meaningful than their lives, and their families. How very arrogant and foolish. Only God can give them the eternity of what they dished out to us, one that they really deserve.
Ppl like u and me work so hard to survive in a life that God gave to us and these parasites suck on the energy of the planet. These ppl skite that we waste resources bit like pots calling the kettle black. I am always recycling, reusing, repairing what I need and use and have very little waste. I don't travel much further than 60km in a day, not like those private jets they fly willy nilly. Hippocrites ALL.
I only aim to unify with those likeminded who seek to create the new unification structures to help support our well being and freedom on the new earth as these old structures given no energy will crumble away. This will happen and quickly just like the fall of the Berlin Wall.
The new earth is also part of galactic federation consortium, we are not alone here. As we ascend with Mother Gaia we will instinctively know who to trust, the networks building will be higher dimensional, higher vibrational, incorruptible. Many will be stuck in 3D as a personal choice to be part of AI enslavement system. No judgment we choose where we want to be aligned for our ascension process in this earthly experience. God bless.
The single most effective method of "overseeing the establishment" is to enforce our individual right to NEVER be forced to have THEM deciding for us, what is to be done with our bodies. This must be the fundamental ground-rule for all medicine. Placing yet another group in an even MORE powerful position of authority over OUR bodies, (because we can surely trust this new group with our lives) is NOT the answer.
Many people have the strange idea this can be solved by SOMEONE ELSE being placed in charge of OUR bodies. Sorry, I will never agree with the collectivist model of ANYONE besides ME, having governance over MY body.
You go right on arguing that this "trust" (over your own body) must be handed over to a NEW group of dictators, or to whomever you wish. However, I am not someone who can be persuaded that the very governance model which led to this current nightmare (mass genocide) is a good one, no matter WHO you might believe is worthy of wielding such power, whomever YOU believe can be "trusted" to not abuse it.
Power corrupts. But TOTAL power, absolutely and completely corrupts, every single time. It is time for people to take personal responsibility for their own bodies, and to STOP relying on someone else to tell them what they must to do with it.
The entire premise of a Republic (which is how America was framed and founded) is SO THAT we can maintain certain individual rights which the mob cannot vote away, (in elections that are rigged anyway) . My rights - free speech, self-defense, privacy, etc. - are NOT a threat to the collective. Whenever a governing body attempts to define them as such, it is ONLY because they wish to abolish our Constitution and abuse the powers this would allow them to exercise.
It is ONLY by enforcing our individual rights that we CAN protect the collective. Your globalist and collectivist model for governing MY body will NEVER be something I agree with. I am the ultimate authority on what to do with my body, not some group of "authorities" in a distant place who will NOT have to live with the RESULTS of their "ethical" choices for my life. I will NEVER voluntarily hand my body over to ANYONE and just pray that I can "trust" them to do the right thing with it. In fact, I will fight such tyranny with my last breath.
Go sell this globalist scheme somewhere else please. More of what CAUSED this situation is NOT the solution. I will NEVER believe that our Nation's Constitution, (and our rights enumerated therein) is subordinate to the dictates of a multinational body of so-called "ethicist experts" whom you intend to grant the authority to DEFINE what "ethical" means.
You will never be free so long as you believe others must have authority over our BODIES.
Steve's sudden shift of opinion that viruses exist, period, end of story, flies in the face of what many of us have learned in the last few years and makes me think he's been paid off to change his tune. None of it really matters because the truth is out there, freely available to all who look for it.
If you truly went down a rabbit hole on this subject, it would take you weeks, perhaps months and you'd need to read several thousands pages, perhaps 10s of thousands.
Probably. It IS the pharma way. It sells far more vaccines if people go on believing what Steve is selling, i.e., that so long as he can prove the particle EXISTS, this is ALSO evidence that this particle is responsible for disease, INSTEAD OF poor health, bad nutrition, toxins, stress, etc.
The idea that someone who tests positive for this ubiquitous particle may now attribute their health problems to the fact it exists, is what sells MORE VACCINES. I am not afraid of particles. I am afraid of the LIES growing, and being supported by so-called "truthers" who spend more time attacking people who are trying to stop this madness, than they do attacking pharma.
Also, in the spring of 2020, Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, at the epicenter of the NYC Covid crisis published several videos pleading for the community to understand that this is not a respiratory virus. Since then, Dr. Kyle-Sidell has been trying to make people understand that this is a vascular disease that later presents as high-altitude sickness.
Steve is still sure that this is a respiratory virus... he has gaps of knowledge that he fills by appealing to authority. He can get better at thinking critically.
The point of that particular comment I wrote is not whether Covid is caused by a virus or not. It's whether Covid is caused by is a respiratory virus or not. Steve is sure that SARS-CoV-2 is a respiratory virus. I posted Kyle-Sidell's comment as an example of the questions that are assumed to be answered but aren't.
Steve seems to think he is a better scientist than Mike Yeadon. He trusts what PHARMA has to say about this virus, and all others, and he seems unaware that he is HELPING pharma justify the continued vaccine programs. No matter how many people who have tested positive for these particles remain disease-free, Steve CHOOSES to believe that these particles (called viruses) are in fact the CAUSE of disease.
No matter how much hard evidence there is that these particles are NOT the cause of disease, Steve continues down this path. I guess he has to continue justifying getting himself vaccinated. He once said that he got himself vaccinated. Once people do this, they hang on to any theory they can to justify it.
Yep. He wants to believe there was at least SOME rational reason to let them inject him. There was not. He was fooled, if in FACT he actually took the jabs, which at this point I am leaning toward not believing he actually did. If he did, he might have been lucky and gotten only saline. 50% of the injections were just saline for the first few months after the roll out on the general public. This was done so that not EVERYONE who got jabbed would be having side effects. That would have been too obvious. And when we saw that many people who took the jabs were just fine, this was supposed to serve as evidence that the jabs must not actually be capable of causing injury.
Keep your eye on the ball Steve and don’t get distracted by whether a virus exists or not. You have precious time to focus on the vaccine and censorship issues that go along with it,
STEVE, people are NOT arguing that these particles do not exist. We are arguing that we do NOT have proof these particular particles are IN FACT the cause of disease. POOR HEALTH appears to be what produces infections. And a consequence of infection may well be an increased excretion of certain particles. So it is the chicken before the egg game, and you are fighting on the side of PHARMA.
We STILL do not have clear evidence of cause and effect here. Remember the old pharma trope (whenever we complain that people suddenly get sick or die right after injection) that "association does NOT prove cause?"
WHY do YOU agree with, and fight for, pharma's position here?
WHY are you arguing to justify MORE of these INSANE vaccine programs, by supporting and defending the theory that we are getting sick NOT because of poor health, but INSTEAD because of whatever particle the vaccine industry tells us we need to be "vaccinated against?"
Your argument that WE must prove the NON existence of a particle, and that if we cannot, then this means PHARMA is telling the truth, is ASININE.
Stop with this FARCE of an argument. It makes you seem ignorant or maybe like you are controlled opposition.
In is ONLY to the extent a particle can be PROVEN to cause disease, that it can properly be classified as a virus. I have yet to see ANY evidence that any of these particles (that they are calling viruses) is actually the CAUSE of any disease. So on this we both agree. There is no such thing as a virus according the definition of a virus, which REQUIRES that it cause disease BEFORE it can be referred to as a virus.
Definition of a virus: : the causative agent of an infectious disease.
So a particle can exist, but this does NOT mean that it is a virus. And again, I have yet to see ANY clear evidence that there are ANY so-called viruses. I have seen evidence of some particles that they are trying to make us believe are the cause of disease.
This entire argument about whether this or that particle exists at all is a strawman, a red herring. The retards argue that if they can prove a particle exists, that this makes it a virus, and that the fact the particle exists, somehow ALSO proves that it causes disease and can therefore rightly be called a virus.
I am STILL waiting for a single crap of EVIDENCE that any of these particles are ACTUALLY the CAUSE of disease.
It is NOT my definition. That definition was quoted from Webster's Dictionary. A virus, by it's very definition, is an agent that causes disease.
If a particle can be defined as a "virus" WITHOUT evidence that it DOES cause disease, then ANY particle could be defined as a virus. And this is exactly how pharma wants you to think. They do NOT want to be forced to prove that the particle they are testing for and injecting us for, is ACTUALLY the cause of disease.
Instead, they want people arguing about whether or not the particle itself exists at all. Evidence that a particle exists, is NOT evidence that the identified particle is a "virus" that causes disease. If they were to be held to the fire on THIS question, they would lose the argument. So they reframe the argument to whether or not the particle exists.
The fact that sick people test positive for this specific (and UNBIQUITOUS) particle (the only one they are testing for) is NOT evidence that this specific particle is what CAUSED them to become ill.
Good health prevents disease no matter WHAT particles you are exposed to or test positive for. Why do you think so many people who test positive for covid never have ANY symptoms of disease?
Is it possible this entire mess was intended only to convince us to get these injections? Or is this something you would never consider as a possibility? I guess you believe hundreds of $billions$ in profits could never be strong enough motive for anyone to promote a mass deception.
I'm not sure who the "they" is when you say "they want people arguing about whether or not the particle exists at all." Cowan, Kaufman, Bailey and crew? Or the globalist cabal?
Anyhow I want to acknowledge your argument that it is more important to focus on the causative aspect of this particle and not whether or not it exists. And if they did, they, virologist and propagandists, wouldn't be able to show causation.
And maybe you're right, maybe that's the better way to show the fraud of it all.
But I'd argue that the game is over even before we get to showing causation or not. Cowan, Kaufman, Bailey, and Lanka ARE saying that there are no virus particles period and don't give these images any legitimacy because the process by which they are obtained don't reflect isolation of anything. If step 1 is "Show that there is a virus particle" then virologists haven't done it. How can you even move to step 2, showing it causes a disease?
There are a lot of particles to take pictures of in these snot samples. All kinds of particles that can be captured on in an electron micrograph. Without even getting into if they cause a disease, virology can't isolate a particle because they've change the definition of "isolate" from "get it by itself" to "take some snot soup and add more stuff to it" as Dr. Saeed A. Qureshi above was explaining. This process of isolation by adding stuff causes the tissue to breakdown and now you have more particles, artifacts of the culturing process itself. So there's particles, lots of particles. That any of those particles should come from a virus is a non-sequitur.
The definition of a virus requires that the identified particle is the causative agent in disease. So I can surely understand why people are saying no proof the virus exists. And come to think of it, now that we have gotten a very clear view of how the belief in virus (or whatever particle they tell us is a virus) as cause of disease, I understand why people do not believe in any viruses.
And if something like scurvy appeared TODAY, you can bet they would blame it on a lack of vaccines (a lack of "immunity" to a virus particle) and jail the doctors who urge us to get some vitamin C into our systems. It is the way of it.
I am getting the idea that one thing we can ALL agree on in general, is that the NIH, FDA, CDC, WHO, and the rest of the motley crew are incapable of telling the truth about almost ANYTHING. And anyone defending THEM or pharma, (same difference) is either a shill, or they have a screw loose.
Steve, I read your information to gain knowledge. Thank you.
In this case of virus vs no virus, I eagerly read your words expecting to find a few definitive answers. And am disappointed. In all your paragraphs crowing about your challenge (as if an unanswered challenge is proof of anything), the only actual information you've provided were links to other's journal articles.
Please understand that many of your readers are not MD's or virologists. We need help understanding which part of these complicated articles prove your point. We often see links to these types of papers in social media claiming they're PROOOF! But when we take the time read them we find that they often fail to have control groups or the control groups and ingenuous. A classic example is the CDC's reference article to the effectiveness of remdesivir. When you actually read it, it shows how dangerous the drug is.
The Nature article is written by all Chinese named authors. Any Wuhan linked authors? Any possible motivation for Chinese disinformation? Further, the source of the virus was from the Chinese wet market and was merely collected spit from sick people. All Chinese. The genome sequencing, Chinese. Everything is Chinese with this virus. The samples were centrifuged to remove cellular debris. Isn't a virus an exosome? Aren't exosomes cellular debris? From cells damaged from toxins as well as virus'? We need help connecting your dots.
Could you please make an outline of your case with a few bullet points to highlight specific page or table numbers. Then please explain at a high school level why it proves what you claim.
We are surrounded by lies and disinformation. We are looking for facts and truth to save our families. If you want to 'convert' people to your view, please show us rather than just verbally claim and post 3rd party data while insulting anyone who doubts virology.
Steve's claim to fame is thru so called dissident Chinese doctors who promoted the lab leak hypothesis. Did Steve demand absolute proof from them? Absolutely not! Why? They fit his narrative Notice he now claims that the antigen tests are proof positive yet he negates the PCR tests. Or is he now convinced PCR is accurate and measures virus exposure? Where are those antigen tests manufactured? China manufactures most if not all those antigen tests with our tax money!! You can believe Kirsch on some level but he is not any more a scientist as the rest of the people reading his material. Has Kirsch and friends studied the validity of those antigen tests which he claims are a valid method of testing for "antigens?" Doesn't he know that people tested the antigen tests on Coca Cola and some came back negative while others positive? Absolutely not. Of course, he and his panel will claim the Coke had a coronavirus in it which the tests identified.
Thank you for responding, Steve. I didn't expect you to and appreciate that you noticed and that you care.
What we have is a complete loss of trust by many people in all aspects of modern medicine and the lab sciences which back it up. Many people are (understandably) deeply suspicious of anyone or any entity tied into covid and the vaccines. It can create an overly negative response to anything pharmaceutical and certainly anything viral. The key to not falling into the 'throw everything out' reaction is a thorough understanding of the basic fundamentals of scientific method and which parts of medical science are still trustworthy.
How can one test be trusted yet another can't? When is PCR a valid and informative tool and when is it abused to give false positives? The details of the test equipment used and the settings employed on the equipment matter. The research articles list it but most of us don't know what is important and what isn't. You have the education and experience to make these judgement calls. Most of the rest of us don't. Our technical ignorance leaves a disconnect and we haven't yet found a bridge to return to trust. An added complication is the problem of intentional disinformation backed by big money with slick marketing.
Please don't take it personally that many don't agree with you or trust you. Just keep plowing ahead presenting information. Keep showing us why you think it is trustworthy. Keep showing us which parts of the system are still useful tools for finding facts and helping humanity.
I don't follow personalities. I follow patterns in the data. When you and other doctors and virologists have presented enough data to create a trend; most people who are honestly seeking facts will see it too.
He shouldn't be betting—that sets him up for losing. Who likes to lose? He should look at the issue with curiosity. He says he does, but betting on it puts him in the position of "I know I'm right."
OK, Steve. I understand what you mean. But why not just fund their virus challenge, anyway? At least then we would know one way or the other, and we could stop all the arguing and try to get this world back on track.
The other day, a Pharma-whore politician came to the door and asked for my vote in the upcoming election. We talked about political polarity, particularly in reference to the whole COVID mess. He stated that there was so much misinformation that I should pick just one person, like my drug monkey allopath, for all my advice on such a complex and befuddled subject. He himself chose to listen to a state-appointed bureaucrat.
There are at least a dozen people I trust on finding the truth on COVID, including Tom Cowan. I don't need "just one person" (sort of like the Pope of Science, I guess) to figure stuff out for me, yourself included. If I'm ever on the fence for who to believe, my simple credo is "don't believe in the benevolence of billionaires."
Tom's main argument is largely philosophical, and it gets pretty deep in the weeds for some people because of the inadequacies of language, which rarely conveys the same meaning to all people.
These guys are asking important questions, and have been seeking to engage in scientific dialog to see if it is possible to find the truth. If you don't have the discipline to open mindedly participate in such a dialog you should move on to topics that better suit your personality.
Ad hominem. Steve, you’re losing people with this nonsense. Just focus on stopping the injections - it is a fight you are certainly voicing loudly and many appreciate your efforts. But calling Cowan a joke is ridiculous.
Have you bothered to study radiation poisoning and the symptoms? Most symptoms are the same we have seen the past couple of years.
It could be fair to accept either hypothesis. One being such a hypothesis that contagion & infection spreads around to people who become around one another all together exposed to the same environment which is exposed to whatever toxins that poison a host causing cell disruption & destruction as affected cells change into these “things” being construed as “viruses” which is asserted by not just Dr. Cowan, but many others concurring the same. Or accept the popular 2 century old allopathic hypothesis of an invading pathogen causing cell disruption and destruction.
End of the day, despite anyones feelings about Dr. Thomas Cowan, he is NOT the only one, at least of all whom I have ever mentioned, which are many others with zero incentive except to do as all other truth seeking true science advocates wish to do, as Dr. Cowan, to expose false narratives being one of many who assert the fraudulence of “viruses” as such has been taught being the actual causation of illness/disease due to being some outsourced “invading” pathogen.
And, one of many who assert that illness & disease actually occurs, yes, from outside the infected host, except by environmental toxicity which poisons a host/organism that inhaled, ingests or comes in contact with the toxin resulting in a host’s/organism’s cells to become necrotic and that which is seen of a cell’s metamorphic destruction, as the result of cells being poisoned is what had been back in the 20th century and what still is deemed being “isolated” and claimed to be seen under electron microscopy as being the “viruses” which ORIGINATE from within
Really? So, have you already invited him on your show podcast and he’s declined as so many others you’ve said declined? Would you invite him? It’d be an intriguing & enlightening conversation between you two.
It's good to hear that you've moved on, as it implies that you are listening and possibly learning. But publicly disparaging a person of Tom Cowan's caliber is completely uncalled for. You might want to edit your comment, as you'll get more respect by showing respect.
he deserves to be public shamed. I don't respect anyone who misleads people and won't be held accountable. Has he ever admitted he was wrong on 5G causing COVID?
EMFs on the lower frequency range equally have many detrimental biological impacts. True 26 GHz activation is gonna be interesting. That is when the peeps vaxxed connect up with the IoT network.
All pulsating microwave frequency range exposure is damaging.
Since when do ad hominem attacks achieve anything but polarization and division? They have no place in critical thinking. I've pretty sure I've read all but one of Tom's books (unless he snuck another one out while I wasn't looking). I've never gotten the impression that he had intentionally misled anyone. I don't know if I agree with 100% of his thoughts, but his unconventional (and in my opinion, spot-on) views on how the heart works very likely saved my life. The cardiologist I saw (who out of respect I won't name) was a joke.
Terrain theory says it is the health of the host that determines health or sickness levels; germ theory says it is some scary external pathogenic threat.
Viruses and health are directly correlated as even proven by the scam that was the plandemic. The CDC’s own study dated July 1, 2021 shows you that the highest risk factors for death were obesity (#1) and fear and anxiety disorders (#2, people who were LITERALLY scared to death by the evil that permeates the world today, these same fear and anxiety based people are still wearing masks outside, riding alone in their cars, etc. and highly vaccinated).
Of course all those diagnoses were made with a PCR diagnostic that was not subsequently cell cultured in human (not vero) cell lines.
You know you called him a joke, no? That’s an argument? As to the importance of health, you made this a binary. So which person is more likely in touch with the realities of existence - the healtier or his antagonist?
Ah, Steve, you’ve been blinded by “science,” another marker of a health deficit. But what you call science is not just reductionism, but reductionism raised to a higher power. It strikes me as a strange and flawed method of divining reality. “Beauty is truth - truth beauty. That’s all Ye know of this earth and all Ye need to know.”
By the by, you’re rich enough, could you buy a capital letter every now and then to start a sentence?
You seem to think science operates on the same premise as a civil trial - some group of people deciding what is the more likely in any given scenario. You wrote it. Own it. The thing is, in the case of terrain theory you’ve already stipulated to the fact. You believe in immunity. Ergo, you believe the terrain determines whether someone can be infected or not. So, now that we’ve dispensed with your challenge how much am I to be awarded? Let’s move back to what is science. It certainly isn’t what goes on at any of the institutions of this broken world. Science is a process, and a relatively simple one, in which the story posited must prove itself against all enquiry, now and ever after. The story of distinct viruses as sole mechanisms of the cause and spread of disease is fiction, and like so much other institutional fiction that hides under the cover of “science” it is zealously protected from scrutiny.
The way I see the article is that Steve Kirsch is not demanding that you believe him personally and in fact says in the article that few on that side will. He lays out the facts as he explains his own journey to understand the "virus doesn't exist" people . Hopefully "virus don't exist" people will then see where he's at and not waste their time writing long essays to him.
He's trying to help them not waste their own time. He can only do so much, though.
Here is one question: Why is nobody able to buy/sell a standard of > 99% purified SARS-Cov-2 virus to use for standardisation of measurements like you buy other chemicals for standardisation of measurements?
If you can take see it under the microscope you should be able to purify it in larger quantities and test it out, and answer questions like what quantities cause illness? Or questions like what is the quality of the PCR tests?
And if you have the correct RNA sequence you should be able to produce it, shouldn't you?
Who can produce it in the world and in what quantities and how pure?
I have not found a better explanation than the virus theory, but I find the science is standing on weak grounds if it can not answer basic questions and come up with clear standardisation. Terms like isolated seem to be used in a very strange and unclear way.
You have the money Steve, ask how much of 99% pure SARS-CoV-2 virus you can buy for 1 million dollrs so we can establish the price for one gram of the purified virus 😀
We have sequenced the whole human genome. So why can't we produce human clones?
What is the point of producing purified virus anyway? That's like packing rats into a barrel and selling "purified rat". When you unpack them, they are no longer viable or remotely useful except perhaps for feeding snakes (Paging Dr. Ardis!).
OK, yes, you could freeze them (virus particles). Then you need a careful protocol to thaw them out, separate, and re-suspend them so they can go to work.
Or you could collect them from some infected person and culture them. Then they are fresh. This is the approach most experimenters would take.
Steve, I hope you get to watch the video circulating around called The End of Germ Theory. It explains that "purified" and "isolated" viruses have nothing to do with purification and isolation. I would love for you to watch it and then ask your virologist friends if it's true that in order to isolate and purify a virus, scientists have to mix, say, human sputum with monkey kidney cell culture, bovine serum, antibiotics, and other substances, then add time and heat. I am genuinely curious to hear if this is true or not.
Is it true that the only viruses that have been observed and photographed are the ones that have been revealed through such a process? Please ask them. And please watch the documentary. It's two-and-a-half-hours long.
SARS-COV-2 isn't a chemical--it's a virus. Viruses are made up of various chemicals, including nucleic acids, proteins, and lipids, organized to be infectious.
You have to have a bioweapons level 3 lab to be able to handle covid virus. And having a lab like that in the US is illegal, so it is outsourced to Wuhan.
I think that it's likely that covid was released deliberately and that the CDC and China worked together on it because there are so many people in the US backing China and relying on China, so they hated Trump and wanted to stop him and make Trump look impotent and foolish. Trump is ignorant about medical things and a germophobe, so that was the avenue of attack.
Event 201 was just too convenient as a playbook for this not to have been deliberate. If you look at the participants in Event 201, they are mostly major players and non-medical.
Oh I "understand" completely...everything they did was ILLEGAL in the US and they used Fed money to fund it...a sad bag of murderous criminals. Moot subject.
I was being more than a bit facetous.. but does Fauci have the standing to prosecute? I think not. But he would be fool if he chose to do so (unless a rigged jury or judge), I would love to be in the room during discovery. His name is all over this one. Illegally funded, Illegally researched, etc. etc. A counter suit would probably nip that one in the bud.
.....because DOING so, would open up a MASSIVE 'can of worms' revealed as strewn across CENTURIES.....put it THIS way - the 'Project For A New AMERICAN Century', was PURPOSEFULLY misnamed.....
Yes, you can. Fear and the world wide macabre theather is a BIOWEAPON!
I have been questioning whether the A-bomb were always a lie. If so, then we could call those make believe weapons a very profitable lie in terms of power grab. But maybe they are real, and the Fench just made the world believe they were contaminating the Pacific Ocean because they are idiots.
KEY words - 'using THEM'.....there has been produced ZERO proof that any such ABSOLUTELY utilized a SPECIFIC substance, material the nature of which is LITTLE understood by conventionalists (but behavioral CLUES as to its nature, COULDN'T be MORE available.....)
I've modified the start of the article to add an explanation as to why I went down the rabbit hole and what I learned and why it is relevant.
I also pointed out that the burden is on Lanka et al. to show their hypothesis better fits the data. They can't even explain the simplest observations. (added 8/2 at 10:47am PST).
So there are now two new sections at the start that weren't in the emailed version.
Let me know what you think.
Holy crap, Steve. This discussion thread literally is the flat earth society. We are in a pandemic but it is one of mental illness, cognitive dissonance and disassociation (let's use bad science to disprove good science!). The Internet allows these birds of a feather to flock together to reinforce the alternate realities, proof of the larger dangers of our interconnected world.
Darwin - hey, his theories were probably all bunk, too, right? See flames to this post as proof lol - is hard at work sorting this out, though. Keep up your good work and if you ever lose the $1M I'll pay for our move to Mars.
Darwin was all nonsense - All theory - All Bunk.
I think the bigger issue is simply that we do not yet have clear evidence that this particle (called the covid virus) which is delivered by the spike proteins, is actually the thing causing disease. We do have much evidence showing that the spike proteins cause tissue damage. And the jabs are full of the spike proteins. Apparently people can catch the virus because the spike protein makes this possible. But we are still looking at correlation of the two, without any real evidence the payload inside of the spike protein (the virus) is the actual CAUSE.
So the red herring or strawman argument becomes whether or not the virus exists at all. This keeps people focused on something OTHER THAN the injuries the spike proteins are causing. Rather than arguing about whether the virus exists, people need to start asking whether we have any reliable evidence the virus is in fact what is causing disease. It does appear the real problem is the spike proteins. So we need to stop injecting them into people.
1- Actually, when you get into it the spike protein is a curative agent. I'm NOT talking about the garbage they put in the kill shot. I'm talking about the body's defense system. Whatever is seen of the "spike protein" is an artists depiction of what a flat black and white image in an electron micrograph may look like in 3D. Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body, as a defense against something that's not right IN the body, like an acidic pH or cellular degeneration due to electromagnetic radiation.
2- You cannot "catch" a virus. Viruses do not exist as infectious agents floating around in the air waiting to infect you. During the Spanish Flu researchers tried many ways (more than a dozen) to infect healthy people with the flu. They took snot and saliva from sick people and put it in the mouths, up their noses, in their eyes and I can't remember what all else they tried and they were unable to make even ONE person sick.
It is so strange to me that Steve Kirsch is not even suspicious that MAYBE poor health is what causes diseases. He is stuck on the idea that you can avoid disease by avoid contact with ubiquitous particles.
You are right on at least one count. Darwin's Theories are all bunk. The Science is never settled. And the best you guys can do is compare anyone who disagrees with your positions to the Flat Earthers. Ad Hominid, Appeal to Authority. What other attacks hide behind your CD and D-K minds?
Yeah imagine choosing Darwin's theory as your one banker scientific theory that only a crank could disagree with - that is, the notion that this keyboard I'm typing on now happened by accident, after some molecules in a soup bumped into each other in a specific way and then this carried on.
Agreed. Did you know that the theory of evolution is all based on one bone?
The SARSCoV2 bioweapon was intentionally made as a mild but infectious manmade virus using what Baric describes a 'no-see-ums method' . So ppl die through layers of nanobot toxicity depending on their immune system. Other than Dr Richard Fleming, here is Dr Charles B. Simone. an Internist, a Medical Oncologist, a Radiation Oncologist, and an Immunologist, with more evidence on the patented bioweapon and it's disguise using the viral genome technique.
Everything is hidden in plain sight for us to see. Ppl have a gut instinct that this is true, so no need for further argumentative distractions from holding these ppl to account. The virus is not deadly just contagious but mainly ppl with low immunity and more harmful for ppl with comorbidities and latent diseases. https://www.simonesuperenergy.com/covid-19-bioweapon/
Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body as a defense against something that's not right INSIDE the body. They are NOT infectious. Researchers during the Spanish Flu proved that viral infection does not exist. A dangerous spike protein was engineered in a lab and is used in the kill shot.
The bio-weapon is the dangerous spike protein, which is contained IN the vax. Dr. Robert Young PhD had a post where he sent out letters to dozens of medical agencies all over the world asking if they had any evidence for the existence of of SARS-CoV-2. He included full page readable screenshots of all the replies that he received. The post was HUGE, very long. Not even one confirmed isolation. Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body as a repair protein against something that's not right INSIDE the body, like an acidic pH caused by electromagnetic radiation or a build-up of toxic chemicals caused from eating man's garbage, so-called "food".
Dr. Saeed Qureshi expert in medical diagnostic testing (its chemistry stupid) just squashed you. Avg people can figure this out. No billionaires or even chemistry degrees required. Step by Step logic PLUS avg people can conduct their own real control experiment and attempt to "catch the Specifit "variant" and symptoms" of any sick relative or friend that is supposedly sick with a "virus" - common cold, flu, strep, whooping cough, measles, now money pox- ive been letting "covid positive and other sick relatives cough in my face and I drink out of their glasses, hang on couch with them for hours - NOTHING- many times different people, going on 2 yrs now. and Im supposedly HIGH RISK given age and pre existing conditions. Now im waiting to touch a money pox lesion to prove that is a farce.. All illness is poisoning or nutritition deficiency. End of story. The Paradigm shift is here..
Nutrition deficiency IS cell poisoning, so all illness is cell poisoning.
Bingo! You cannot prevent diseases while maintaining poor health, no matter how many injections or pills you take. And the evidence is already in that the jabs CAUSE poor health, so.....
I found this comment from him. I wonder which "Steve" he was replying to.
Steve:
Thanks for your kind words about my article and also for asking the questions.
First, to be clear that I am not a microbiologist or virologist. I am a chemist and have worked in the pharmaceuticals area for 30+ years (as a scientist with Health Canada). I gained significant experience and expertise in critically evaluating pharmaceutical products.
Regarding the claim of virus isolation, I am saying that the experiments microbiologists/virologists perform and describe, such as virus characterization, identification, belongs to the chemistry discipline. However, the chemistry work has not been conducted accurately; hence claims made are incorrect.
There are many ways to describe and explain the inaccuracies. One of which is that of isolation of a substance, in this case, a virus. If one needs to isolate a virus, one must go through multiple steps, such as extraction, purification, identification, and structure determination, resulting in a pure sample of the virus. Nothing of this sort has been done for the virus isolation, in particular, SARS-CoV-2. Therefore, it cannot be said that the virus has been isolated and identified, or even it exists.
On the other hand, microbiologists and virologists (among others) work with a modified definition and description of the term isolation, for their purpose, as taking a swab sample (i.e., separating virus from the host). That is not a good scientific practice. Therefore, in reality, a virus never gets isolated in its true or pure form.
On the other hand, to appear scientific, the DNA/RNA sequencing is considered as a claim of “identifying” the virus in a swab sample without truly “isolating” it (we chemists call it a clean-up step). Some chemical steps using enzymes (commonly known as polymerization, again a chemistry step) are conducted, followed by taking some pictures of the soup with an electron microscope. Observing spherical bodies with spikes are considered to reflect the existence of coronavirus.
From this soup (note everything is from the soup, nothing from pure virus), DNA or RNA or its fragments are extracted to establish their sequences. There is no evidence that this DNA or RNA is from anything specific, including the virus – it is an assumption. Based on computer analysis and comparison with previously obtained “reference” sequence (usually obtained from WHO depository), which is also “isolated” in a similar manner (without isolating the virus), virus existence is established. If the sequence did not match the “reference” sequence (not a virus), it would become a new virus or new strain.
The publications, links you provided all follow the same or similar protocol as I summarized above. I have critically reviewed two such publications, one from Australia (the one you noted in your post as well), the other from the USA (CDC), where I explained: “science” behind “isolation” of the virus. Links are provided (link1, link2) please have a look.
I have been arguing for some time that nowhere I can find an isolated virus, so why people keep claiming isolated virus. My recent discussion with a microbiologist made it clear that the virus has never been isolated but misrepresented by incorrect definition of the word “isolation.” That makes it clear why I could never find the sample and specimen of the pure virus because it does not exist. One may imagine my shock after hearing this – so I wrote the article.
I hope I answered your query adequately. Otherwise, let me know. I will explain it further. I like to make another point, without going into technical details, the sequencing (chemistry) part is pretty iffy. It is well known to the people in the area that sequencing steps can produce highly unpredictable results. The PCR test, which in reality is based on sequencing, suffers this weakness. Hence one sees so many false positive or negative outcomes that make the lack of “virus existence” claim even stronger. (edited)
Wonderful comment! I totally agree. I will look up Dr. Saeed now. Thanks!
Thank you Steve for doing this! The fact that people like Fauci, CDC, FDA are never willing to engage in challenging debates with influential people of opposing views tells you a lot.
Hi Steve,
Jeff Green does not agree with you that viruses cause disease. You should check out what he believes because you might not agree.
https://dawnfrench.substack.com/p/viruses-arent-parasites
Well, Jeff should use the more correct term for these particles: Exosomes. Terrain Theory has said this for years.
I agree it is time to move on. But you keep holding the unproven position. I will leave you with these two links. one is a great analogy about dandelions and virology. The other is why Jon Rappaport dismisses your challenge. Both are an excellent read.
https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/dandelions-and-virology
https://jonrappoport.substack.com/p/the-steve-kirsch-debate-about-the
The John Rappoport touches on the subject of isolating the virus by concocting a "soup." This process is explained in detail in the video The End of Germ Theory, starting at 29:00.
Everybody needs to watch that video and read the articles you posted, especially Steve.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rHmg8EY3cXPD/
"In silico" is the most ridiculous scientific term ever.
Steve, the REAL issue is that there is no hard evidence these particular particles are causing disease. Correlation is not proof of CAUSE. People in poor health get sick or infected. We do know this much for sure. And it does look like this produces more of these particles we call viruses. Poor health has MANY causes, none of which pharma will examine in their attempt to prove that these particular particles are the cause of health problems.
OBVIOUSLY this smoke and mirror game is intended to sell more VACCINES.
The FACT that the vast majority of people who test positive for these particles never get any symptoms, should at least make you WONDER if they are truly the cause of anything.
This is the part where pharma has you FULLY hoodwinked. Until you accept that you MIGHT be wrong about the cause of disease, (i.e., imagine that something OTHER THAN a virus is at play) you will never recover from the spell, and your ability to get the core truth out there will remain blocked.
CERN requires a 1 in 3.5 million odds ratio before they accept that a theoretical particle is actually responsible for the reactions they are seeing. Here, we have a purportedly observable particle, a virus. But we have essentially ZERO evidence that it is in fact the CAUSE of what we are seeing (disease) and MUCH evidence showing that it is NOT the cause of the disease.
"But it MUST be what is causing the disease, because it EXISTS!" - is an obtuse position. Proving that a particle exists does not prove that it is the CAUSE of anything at all.
Show us EVIDENCE that this particle is the CAUSE of the disease or symptoms of the disease. This would end this debate. But you CANNOT do this. So you attempt to claim that the existence of this particle is ALSO evidence that it is causing disease. This is EXACTLY how pharma wants you to frame this.
We know that biological agents being adapted to be more infectious and varying degrees of toxicity all made to look like a naturally occurring 'virus' is happening. The solutions as a key to these problems were also created and patented for maximum profit. The biggest surprise for vaccine developers is how quickly it shot ppl down. Immune systems already made poorly from years of chemicals, food, water and air toxicity.
Arguing about the existence of a virus is a moot point, ppl are dying from GM biological agents created in a lab, while ppl decide on its label as a 'virus' is absurd. The likes of WIV and other global BSL4 lab operating collaboratively, like a satanic consortium, funded by Ecohealth Alliance backed by NIH are not built for tea parties. There is never any need for gain of function studies other than to create biological agents that maim and kill.
Clearly we are in need of a human-centric bioethics commission selected by the World Health Alliance.
How about just enforcing our existing rights to not have ANYBODY telling us that we must inject into our bodies? Handing over control to yet another global power does not sound like a good answer to any of this. The more local the power, the more likely it will not become corrupted. I prefer to maintain control over my own body. I will NEVER trust a global power with my health or life. Obama had a bioethics committee when he was in office. They determined that there was nothing unethical about slaughtering a child up to the age of three. They put this in PRINT. No thanks to a group deciding FOR US what is "ethical". That part is between me and God.
You make very good points about also working locally, especially getting councils back on track away from agenda 2030 and with the ppl. Constitutional lawyers fighting battles in Canada,. The lead guy wrote bill of rights in Canada fighting at age 80 the destruction of the charter by legal amendments.. I mention this bcos he even had trouble speaking at his local town council. So we have to start with ourselves, then our communities, grass level filtering back to the top as well as competing organisation globally. I took control of bodily autonomy admittedly I haven't been directly threatened just coerced. There is a bioethics committee useless as tits on a bull. We need the world alliance and world Council of Health collaborating with a bioethics committee under the Great Barrington Declaration. The actual pandemic response was overridden by WEF and the hijacked WHO. All national pandemic plans went out the window. The World Health Alliance are driven by Hippocratic Oath of first do no harm and are very much on the side of real health for the ppl. Just thought I wld clarify that. I'm sure the new organisations as a parallel alternative to WHO have their checks and balances in place.
I will always reject the idea of a powerful body controlling our health. We must work to dispossess current global and national bodies that claim power to decide what we do with our bodies. Constructing and empowering more of these entities, which will all inevitably be hijacked by evil, is not something I am interested in.
The answers are not outside of ourselves. There are no others who are more fit to decided what we do with our bodies. We must not believe that all answers lie in granting others power to fix things for us. We must fight to take charge of our own lives, and we must argue AGAINST these entities who claim to have such power over us.
A new group empowered to control the corrupted group, RATHER THAN simply affirming that NOBODY (other than ourselves) should be making personal medical decisions for us, will only lead to others having even MORE power. And we would have been the ones to hand it to them.
I am OFF of this train. There is zero chance I can be convinced that new global entities should be created and given even MORE power than the ones we are fighting to get rid of right now.
Nobody is coming to save us. We must save ourselves. In believing someone else out there, someone more powerful, smarter, (more whatever) will come to our rescue if only we give them more power, we die, and we leave our progeny with even less chance of survival.
Not trusting and being individualistic is not the answer. Yes, we need to take control and critically analyse the science. To get the true science and medical protocol that saves lives there must be a way to oversee the establishment. You, or I alone cannot pull them into gear. We cannot pretend that institutions don't exist some of what western medicine has achieved has been useful. In particular I had a virus I tried holistically to heal but it took one specific antiviral to help heal me and get me out of excruciating pain.
We need to unify with medico legal bodies that have our backs, or we forever have corruption superseding and creating pandemic orders. Takes more than one, takes all of us with doctors and scientists proving day after day their integrity. Standing with the FLCCC in the US and AMPS , Covid Medical Network in Oz etc to push the boundaries and make sure we are considered in the healthcare paradigm, that we always get informed consent when we require to use the system.
AHPRA and TGA in Oz are out of control with power. Many ppl write letters and are ignored, even MPs aware of the false narrative. Doctors, specialists and allied health whistleblowers, gradually standing up risking immediate deregistration but it has to be done and we must get behind them to shift this evil chaos.
Wow. You use the word "individualistic" as a pejorative. You HATE the very idea of an INDIVIDUAL deciding what to do with their own body. You have a well-developed derogatory language with which to describe people who do not believe others should make personal medical choices for them, and even MANDATE injections on premise of the collective good.
Where did you learn that? In a communist indoctrination camp? We call them public schools and universities now. I am glad I was done with my schooling before the Chicoms started funding our systems of education and working directly with our professors, even giving them massive bribes in order to obtain their obedience.
You prefer to trust someone ELSE with your own body, and you do not believe individuals should play any role in such decisions. So you beg for new (and better) rulers to govern your body. And that is fine, but you are fighting to grant such people the power to govern MY body as well!
Go with that. Trust whomever you wish to govern your own body. I will fight such nonsense with my last breath on earth.
Godspeed.
Hi Joy
I think you have misconstrued my words. I never said to follow mandates and agree with bodily autonomy and being knowledgeable and discerning.
I do not advocate giving over my power to choose to anyone.
I merely suggested that the medico system ppl are using needs to be drained just like the swamp that many institutions have become.
I explained that there is hope that these structures will be held to account by alternate structures fighting on our behalf because one person can't fight this evil alone.
Please understand that unity of what freedom lovers want to achieve has to be grassroots first starting with ourselves, but also acknowledging unification based on integrity and higher values needs to also happen for the good in medicine has been infiltrated by the very bad..
God bless, wishing you peace, happiness, abundance and good health.
Thank you for clearing that up. Your words "individualistic" and untrusting, were interesting to me. The idea that we SHOULD just "trust" ANYONE to tell us what is, or is not, ethical to do with OUR bodies - because there is something WRONG with being untrusting or caring about enforcing our individual rights, is appalling to me.
The continued attempt to create a NEW pile of power brokers who will somehow make better or more trustworthy decisions for us is COMMUNISM on steroids. The original CAUSE of this mess we are now in, is people conceding that somebody ELSE needs to handle their health collectively for them.
My unvaccinated body is MINE to do with as I wish. I will not trust a NEW and MORE powerful group of "experts" to make ANY decisions about what is injected into my body. I do NOT want a communist health care model. It leads to GENOCIDE to place government in control of such things.
Hoping that "this time" we will get it right and give such power to better people, is the path to disease and DEATH.
We never give our power to anyone, not even our nearest and dearest. I respect boundaries and understand that this covid nonsense clearly led to an inappropriate encroachment of our personal boundaries.
Joy, I will never forget the way the state and federal government abused their power and attempted to mock and ridicule ppl like me who chose not to inoculate with experiment. The fact they continue to gaslight and mock cruelly in MSM is such an atrocity. They have systems that overpowered and insulted doctors, specialists and allied health professionals, stopped debate through gag orders and censorship, threats of medical licences. Wrong on every level.
We cannot ignore their existence because they have empowered themselves through govt legislation and amendments to health bills, classifying a state of emergency with no real evidence. This is where we find ourselves in Australia. To take back our healthcare system with doctors and medico who signed to the Hippocratic Oath we need to get bigger help these professionals to get more courageous to speak out.
I want to see AHPRA and ATAGI, CEPI gone forever and no attachment to the WHO which hopefully will become defunct. There needs to be a regulator for health products or anyone can patent stuff that is detrimental to our health.
Clearly what we have now is not in favour of our health, has taken away simple therapeutic options which should not have been allowed. Dr Kory and Dr Marik in the FLCCC, Doctors for Covid Ethics, the World Council of Health have arisen due to the systemic failure and corruption of the WHO, subsidiary private NGOs including Bill and Melinda Gates, the WEF, Davos and Bilderberg group, George Soros' Open Society, Rockefellers and Rothchilds, Blackrock and Vanguard. These consortiums have no affinity with the doctor and his relationship to patients and to science under scrutiny of real outcomes to benefit humanity.
Like lambs to the slaughter ppl are being hoodwinked by the MSM and phony health bureaucrats, paid off govt puppets who have no real qualifications to speak of in terms of public health.
I do not want to have these organisations in charge creating bioweapons to scare normies and providing solutions with more toxic bioweapons to depop planet of what they claim are 'useless eaters'.
I am very indignant that I survived so many things in this life and to add insult to injury these fools deliberately make things difficult.. A life gifted by God while I have these fools impress upon me that my life is somehow less important and meaningful than their lives, and their families. How very arrogant and foolish. Only God can give them the eternity of what they dished out to us, one that they really deserve.
Ppl like u and me work so hard to survive in a life that God gave to us and these parasites suck on the energy of the planet. These ppl skite that we waste resources bit like pots calling the kettle black. I am always recycling, reusing, repairing what I need and use and have very little waste. I don't travel much further than 60km in a day, not like those private jets they fly willy nilly. Hippocrites ALL.
I only aim to unify with those likeminded who seek to create the new unification structures to help support our well being and freedom on the new earth as these old structures given no energy will crumble away. This will happen and quickly just like the fall of the Berlin Wall.
The new earth is also part of galactic federation consortium, we are not alone here. As we ascend with Mother Gaia we will instinctively know who to trust, the networks building will be higher dimensional, higher vibrational, incorruptible. Many will be stuck in 3D as a personal choice to be part of AI enslavement system. No judgment we choose where we want to be aligned for our ascension process in this earthly experience. God bless.
The single most effective method of "overseeing the establishment" is to enforce our individual right to NEVER be forced to have THEM deciding for us, what is to be done with our bodies. This must be the fundamental ground-rule for all medicine. Placing yet another group in an even MORE powerful position of authority over OUR bodies, (because we can surely trust this new group with our lives) is NOT the answer.
Many people have the strange idea this can be solved by SOMEONE ELSE being placed in charge of OUR bodies. Sorry, I will never agree with the collectivist model of ANYONE besides ME, having governance over MY body.
You go right on arguing that this "trust" (over your own body) must be handed over to a NEW group of dictators, or to whomever you wish. However, I am not someone who can be persuaded that the very governance model which led to this current nightmare (mass genocide) is a good one, no matter WHO you might believe is worthy of wielding such power, whomever YOU believe can be "trusted" to not abuse it.
Power corrupts. But TOTAL power, absolutely and completely corrupts, every single time. It is time for people to take personal responsibility for their own bodies, and to STOP relying on someone else to tell them what they must to do with it.
The entire premise of a Republic (which is how America was framed and founded) is SO THAT we can maintain certain individual rights which the mob cannot vote away, (in elections that are rigged anyway) . My rights - free speech, self-defense, privacy, etc. - are NOT a threat to the collective. Whenever a governing body attempts to define them as such, it is ONLY because they wish to abolish our Constitution and abuse the powers this would allow them to exercise.
It is ONLY by enforcing our individual rights that we CAN protect the collective. Your globalist and collectivist model for governing MY body will NEVER be something I agree with. I am the ultimate authority on what to do with my body, not some group of "authorities" in a distant place who will NOT have to live with the RESULTS of their "ethical" choices for my life. I will NEVER voluntarily hand my body over to ANYONE and just pray that I can "trust" them to do the right thing with it. In fact, I will fight such tyranny with my last breath.
Go sell this globalist scheme somewhere else please. More of what CAUSED this situation is NOT the solution. I will NEVER believe that our Nation's Constitution, (and our rights enumerated therein) is subordinate to the dictates of a multinational body of so-called "ethicist experts" whom you intend to grant the authority to DEFINE what "ethical" means.
You will never be free so long as you believe others must have authority over our BODIES.
Steve's sudden shift of opinion that viruses exist, period, end of story, flies in the face of what many of us have learned in the last few years and makes me think he's been paid off to change his tune. None of it really matters because the truth is out there, freely available to all who look for it.
He is STILL defending the idea that there was at least SOME rational reason for him to have gotten injected. There was ZERO reason to do it.
If you truly went down a rabbit hole on this subject, it would take you weeks, perhaps months and you'd need to read several thousands pages, perhaps 10s of thousands.
You're an amateur Steve. A rookie.
Dr. Michael Yeadon does an about face...says there is NO respiratory virus...https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=377024217899607
So now I expect Steve will discount and discredit Dr. Yeadon and his credentials.
I kinda doubt it, since there is no scientific evidence for its existence.
Probably. It IS the pharma way. It sells far more vaccines if people go on believing what Steve is selling, i.e., that so long as he can prove the particle EXISTS, this is ALSO evidence that this particle is responsible for disease, INSTEAD OF poor health, bad nutrition, toxins, stress, etc.
The idea that someone who tests positive for this ubiquitous particle may now attribute their health problems to the fact it exists, is what sells MORE VACCINES. I am not afraid of particles. I am afraid of the LIES growing, and being supported by so-called "truthers" who spend more time attacking people who are trying to stop this madness, than they do attacking pharma.
Agreed
Also, in the spring of 2020, Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, at the epicenter of the NYC Covid crisis published several videos pleading for the community to understand that this is not a respiratory virus. Since then, Dr. Kyle-Sidell has been trying to make people understand that this is a vascular disease that later presents as high-altitude sickness.
Steve is still sure that this is a respiratory virus... he has gaps of knowledge that he fills by appealing to authority. He can get better at thinking critically.
Dr. Kyle-Sidell believes it's a virus because he promotes the vaxx and boosters.
The point of that particular comment I wrote is not whether Covid is caused by a virus or not. It's whether Covid is caused by is a respiratory virus or not. Steve is sure that SARS-CoV-2 is a respiratory virus. I posted Kyle-Sidell's comment as an example of the questions that are assumed to be answered but aren't.
Steve seems to think he is a better scientist than Mike Yeadon. He trusts what PHARMA has to say about this virus, and all others, and he seems unaware that he is HELPING pharma justify the continued vaccine programs. No matter how many people who have tested positive for these particles remain disease-free, Steve CHOOSES to believe that these particles (called viruses) are in fact the CAUSE of disease.
No matter how much hard evidence there is that these particles are NOT the cause of disease, Steve continues down this path. I guess he has to continue justifying getting himself vaccinated. He once said that he got himself vaccinated. Once people do this, they hang on to any theory they can to justify it.
Yep. He wants to believe there was at least SOME rational reason to let them inject him. There was not. He was fooled, if in FACT he actually took the jabs, which at this point I am leaning toward not believing he actually did. If he did, he might have been lucky and gotten only saline. 50% of the injections were just saline for the first few months after the roll out on the general public. This was done so that not EVERYONE who got jabbed would be having side effects. That would have been too obvious. And when we saw that many people who took the jabs were just fine, this was supposed to serve as evidence that the jabs must not actually be capable of causing injury.
Nice intro to this nightmare. Clever demons.
bingo
I just posted his statement above.
Keep your eye on the ball Steve and don’t get distracted by whether a virus exists or not. You have precious time to focus on the vaccine and censorship issues that go along with it,
STEVE, people are NOT arguing that these particles do not exist. We are arguing that we do NOT have proof these particular particles are IN FACT the cause of disease. POOR HEALTH appears to be what produces infections. And a consequence of infection may well be an increased excretion of certain particles. So it is the chicken before the egg game, and you are fighting on the side of PHARMA.
We STILL do not have clear evidence of cause and effect here. Remember the old pharma trope (whenever we complain that people suddenly get sick or die right after injection) that "association does NOT prove cause?"
WHY do YOU agree with, and fight for, pharma's position here?
WHY are you arguing to justify MORE of these INSANE vaccine programs, by supporting and defending the theory that we are getting sick NOT because of poor health, but INSTEAD because of whatever particle the vaccine industry tells us we need to be "vaccinated against?"
Your argument that WE must prove the NON existence of a particle, and that if we cannot, then this means PHARMA is telling the truth, is ASININE.
Stop with this FARCE of an argument. It makes you seem ignorant or maybe like you are controlled opposition.
Speak for yourself..
Im arguing that NO VIRUS has been proven to exist. EVER. And so is Dr Cowan, Kaufman, the Baileys, Lanka, etc.
In is ONLY to the extent a particle can be PROVEN to cause disease, that it can properly be classified as a virus. I have yet to see ANY evidence that any of these particles (that they are calling viruses) is actually the CAUSE of any disease. So on this we both agree. There is no such thing as a virus according the definition of a virus, which REQUIRES that it cause disease BEFORE it can be referred to as a virus.
Definition of a virus: : the causative agent of an infectious disease.
So a particle can exist, but this does NOT mean that it is a virus. And again, I have yet to see ANY clear evidence that there are ANY so-called viruses. I have seen evidence of some particles that they are trying to make us believe are the cause of disease.
This entire argument about whether this or that particle exists at all is a strawman, a red herring. The retards argue that if they can prove a particle exists, that this makes it a virus, and that the fact the particle exists, somehow ALSO proves that it causes disease and can therefore rightly be called a virus.
I am STILL waiting for a single crap of EVIDENCE that any of these particles are ACTUALLY the CAUSE of disease.
So we agree;-)
No, your definition is incorrect, and I am firm in my position.
It is NOT my definition. That definition was quoted from Webster's Dictionary. A virus, by it's very definition, is an agent that causes disease.
If a particle can be defined as a "virus" WITHOUT evidence that it DOES cause disease, then ANY particle could be defined as a virus. And this is exactly how pharma wants you to think. They do NOT want to be forced to prove that the particle they are testing for and injecting us for, is ACTUALLY the cause of disease.
Instead, they want people arguing about whether or not the particle itself exists at all. Evidence that a particle exists, is NOT evidence that the identified particle is a "virus" that causes disease. If they were to be held to the fire on THIS question, they would lose the argument. So they reframe the argument to whether or not the particle exists.
The fact that sick people test positive for this specific (and UNBIQUITOUS) particle (the only one they are testing for) is NOT evidence that this specific particle is what CAUSED them to become ill.
Good health prevents disease no matter WHAT particles you are exposed to or test positive for. Why do you think so many people who test positive for covid never have ANY symptoms of disease?
Is it possible this entire mess was intended only to convince us to get these injections? Or is this something you would never consider as a possibility? I guess you believe hundreds of $billions$ in profits could never be strong enough motive for anyone to promote a mass deception.
Hi Joy,
I'm not sure who the "they" is when you say "they want people arguing about whether or not the particle exists at all." Cowan, Kaufman, Bailey and crew? Or the globalist cabal?
Anyhow I want to acknowledge your argument that it is more important to focus on the causative aspect of this particle and not whether or not it exists. And if they did, they, virologist and propagandists, wouldn't be able to show causation.
And maybe you're right, maybe that's the better way to show the fraud of it all.
But I'd argue that the game is over even before we get to showing causation or not. Cowan, Kaufman, Bailey, and Lanka ARE saying that there are no virus particles period and don't give these images any legitimacy because the process by which they are obtained don't reflect isolation of anything. If step 1 is "Show that there is a virus particle" then virologists haven't done it. How can you even move to step 2, showing it causes a disease?
There are a lot of particles to take pictures of in these snot samples. All kinds of particles that can be captured on in an electron micrograph. Without even getting into if they cause a disease, virology can't isolate a particle because they've change the definition of "isolate" from "get it by itself" to "take some snot soup and add more stuff to it" as Dr. Saeed A. Qureshi above was explaining. This process of isolation by adding stuff causes the tissue to breakdown and now you have more particles, artifacts of the culturing process itself. So there's particles, lots of particles. That any of those particles should come from a virus is a non-sequitur.
Oh, cabal is my answer;-)
Thank you for the LOGIC.
The definition of a virus requires that the identified particle is the causative agent in disease. So I can surely understand why people are saying no proof the virus exists. And come to think of it, now that we have gotten a very clear view of how the belief in virus (or whatever particle they tell us is a virus) as cause of disease, I understand why people do not believe in any viruses.
And if something like scurvy appeared TODAY, you can bet they would blame it on a lack of vaccines (a lack of "immunity" to a virus particle) and jail the doctors who urge us to get some vitamin C into our systems. It is the way of it.
I am getting the idea that one thing we can ALL agree on in general, is that the NIH, FDA, CDC, WHO, and the rest of the motley crew are incapable of telling the truth about almost ANYTHING. And anyone defending THEM or pharma, (same difference) is either a shill, or they have a screw loose.
@Steve Kirsch - SETTLING THE VIRUS DEBATE
I believe this is the answer to your quest. Would you take up this challenge?
https://drsambailey.com/resources/settling-the-virus-debate/
I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself. I've offered to debate and/or bet any of these people and they all refuse.
Liar
Bullshit.
Steve, I read your information to gain knowledge. Thank you.
In this case of virus vs no virus, I eagerly read your words expecting to find a few definitive answers. And am disappointed. In all your paragraphs crowing about your challenge (as if an unanswered challenge is proof of anything), the only actual information you've provided were links to other's journal articles.
Please understand that many of your readers are not MD's or virologists. We need help understanding which part of these complicated articles prove your point. We often see links to these types of papers in social media claiming they're PROOOF! But when we take the time read them we find that they often fail to have control groups or the control groups and ingenuous. A classic example is the CDC's reference article to the effectiveness of remdesivir. When you actually read it, it shows how dangerous the drug is.
The Nature article is written by all Chinese named authors. Any Wuhan linked authors? Any possible motivation for Chinese disinformation? Further, the source of the virus was from the Chinese wet market and was merely collected spit from sick people. All Chinese. The genome sequencing, Chinese. Everything is Chinese with this virus. The samples were centrifuged to remove cellular debris. Isn't a virus an exosome? Aren't exosomes cellular debris? From cells damaged from toxins as well as virus'? We need help connecting your dots.
Could you please make an outline of your case with a few bullet points to highlight specific page or table numbers. Then please explain at a high school level why it proves what you claim.
We are surrounded by lies and disinformation. We are looking for facts and truth to save our families. If you want to 'convert' people to your view, please show us rather than just verbally claim and post 3rd party data while insulting anyone who doubts virology.
Steve's claim to fame is thru so called dissident Chinese doctors who promoted the lab leak hypothesis. Did Steve demand absolute proof from them? Absolutely not! Why? They fit his narrative Notice he now claims that the antigen tests are proof positive yet he negates the PCR tests. Or is he now convinced PCR is accurate and measures virus exposure? Where are those antigen tests manufactured? China manufactures most if not all those antigen tests with our tax money!! You can believe Kirsch on some level but he is not any more a scientist as the rest of the people reading his material. Has Kirsch and friends studied the validity of those antigen tests which he claims are a valid method of testing for "antigens?" Doesn't he know that people tested the antigen tests on Coca Cola and some came back negative while others positive? Absolutely not. Of course, he and his panel will claim the Coke had a coronavirus in it which the tests identified.
see the executive summary I just added to. I can't make it any simpler.
Thank you for responding, Steve. I didn't expect you to and appreciate that you noticed and that you care.
What we have is a complete loss of trust by many people in all aspects of modern medicine and the lab sciences which back it up. Many people are (understandably) deeply suspicious of anyone or any entity tied into covid and the vaccines. It can create an overly negative response to anything pharmaceutical and certainly anything viral. The key to not falling into the 'throw everything out' reaction is a thorough understanding of the basic fundamentals of scientific method and which parts of medical science are still trustworthy.
How can one test be trusted yet another can't? When is PCR a valid and informative tool and when is it abused to give false positives? The details of the test equipment used and the settings employed on the equipment matter. The research articles list it but most of us don't know what is important and what isn't. You have the education and experience to make these judgement calls. Most of the rest of us don't. Our technical ignorance leaves a disconnect and we haven't yet found a bridge to return to trust. An added complication is the problem of intentional disinformation backed by big money with slick marketing.
Please don't take it personally that many don't agree with you or trust you. Just keep plowing ahead presenting information. Keep showing us why you think it is trustworthy. Keep showing us which parts of the system are still useful tools for finding facts and helping humanity.
I don't follow personalities. I follow patterns in the data. When you and other doctors and virologists have presented enough data to create a trend; most people who are honestly seeking facts will see it too.
Thank you again. God bless.
He shouldn't be betting—that sets him up for losing. Who likes to lose? He should look at the issue with curiosity. He says he does, but betting on it puts him in the position of "I know I'm right."
Yawn... 🥱
you need to read what I wrote in the article.
I think you mean we need to agree with what you wrote.
no, i mean you have to read what i wrote which explains it.
THey already have the money to get started but they refuse our offers.
how many times do i have to repeat myself?
OK, Steve. I understand what you mean. But why not just fund their virus challenge, anyway? At least then we would know one way or the other, and we could stop all the arguing and try to get this world back on track.
Well said Mike, your suggestion resolves this.
The other day, a Pharma-whore politician came to the door and asked for my vote in the upcoming election. We talked about political polarity, particularly in reference to the whole COVID mess. He stated that there was so much misinformation that I should pick just one person, like my drug monkey allopath, for all my advice on such a complex and befuddled subject. He himself chose to listen to a state-appointed bureaucrat.
There are at least a dozen people I trust on finding the truth on COVID, including Tom Cowan. I don't need "just one person" (sort of like the Pope of Science, I guess) to figure stuff out for me, yourself included. If I'm ever on the fence for who to believe, my simple credo is "don't believe in the benevolence of billionaires."
Tom's main argument is largely philosophical, and it gets pretty deep in the weeds for some people because of the inadequacies of language, which rarely conveys the same meaning to all people.
These guys are asking important questions, and have been seeking to engage in scientific dialog to see if it is possible to find the truth. If you don't have the discipline to open mindedly participate in such a dialog you should move on to topics that better suit your personality.
A true and entertaining post.
I've moved on. Tom Cowan is a joke.
Ad hominem. Steve, you’re losing people with this nonsense. Just focus on stopping the injections - it is a fight you are certainly voicing loudly and many appreciate your efforts. But calling Cowan a joke is ridiculous.
Have you bothered to study radiation poisoning and the symptoms? Most symptoms are the same we have seen the past couple of years.
Tom Cowan has more wisdom in his morning stool than you'll ever gather in your entire life, Steve.
In the end all you have is ad hominem. Oh and millions of donations to your trust f..... errr I mean Foundation!
It could be fair to accept either hypothesis. One being such a hypothesis that contagion & infection spreads around to people who become around one another all together exposed to the same environment which is exposed to whatever toxins that poison a host causing cell disruption & destruction as affected cells change into these “things” being construed as “viruses” which is asserted by not just Dr. Cowan, but many others concurring the same. Or accept the popular 2 century old allopathic hypothesis of an invading pathogen causing cell disruption and destruction.
End of the day, despite anyones feelings about Dr. Thomas Cowan, he is NOT the only one, at least of all whom I have ever mentioned, which are many others with zero incentive except to do as all other truth seeking true science advocates wish to do, as Dr. Cowan, to expose false narratives being one of many who assert the fraudulence of “viruses” as such has been taught being the actual causation of illness/disease due to being some outsourced “invading” pathogen.
And, one of many who assert that illness & disease actually occurs, yes, from outside the infected host, except by environmental toxicity which poisons a host/organism that inhaled, ingests or comes in contact with the toxin resulting in a host’s/organism’s cells to become necrotic and that which is seen of a cell’s metamorphic destruction, as the result of cells being poisoned is what had been back in the 20th century and what still is deemed being “isolated” and claimed to be seen under electron microscopy as being the “viruses” which ORIGINATE from within
Really? So, have you already invited him on your show podcast and he’s declined as so many others you’ve said declined? Would you invite him? It’d be an intriguing & enlightening conversation between you two.
really. he won't even respond to my emails. none of them will.
Why should they? They know you're a fraud.
Well written.
Exactly. This should be obvious to anyone who claims to be a scientist. Good post.
It's good to hear that you've moved on, as it implies that you are listening and possibly learning. But publicly disparaging a person of Tom Cowan's caliber is completely uncalled for. You might want to edit your comment, as you'll get more respect by showing respect.
he deserves to be public shamed. I don't respect anyone who misleads people and won't be held accountable. Has he ever admitted he was wrong on 5G causing COVID?
Evidence for a connection between coronavirus disease-19 and exposure to radiofrequency radiation from wireless communications including 5G
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34778597/
Have you ever admitted that you were wrong on a virus causing COVID? You deserve to be publicly shamed.
Was he wrong? Are you sure? Have you done the research yourself?
I have. And it is posted right here in Substack land.
https://Sharilynn.substack.com/p/what-is-causing-the-symptoms-of-covid
Is that sub-6GHz or true, >/= 28 GHz 5G? Absurd.
EMFs on the lower frequency range equally have many detrimental biological impacts. True 26 GHz activation is gonna be interesting. That is when the peeps vaxxed connect up with the IoT network.
All pulsating microwave frequency range exposure is damaging.
Since when do ad hominem attacks achieve anything but polarization and division? They have no place in critical thinking. I've pretty sure I've read all but one of Tom's books (unless he snuck another one out while I wasn't looking). I've never gotten the impression that he had intentionally misled anyone. I don't know if I agree with 100% of his thoughts, but his unconventional (and in my opinion, spot-on) views on how the heart works very likely saved my life. The cardiologist I saw (who out of respect I won't name) was a joke.
He strikes me as healthier than you in pretty much every way.
what does that have to do with whether a virus exists?
Is that your subconscious speaking there, Steve 🤣 ?
I heard someone refer to the latest virus as moneypox today. Seems about right.
Terrain theory says it is the health of the host that determines health or sickness levels; germ theory says it is some scary external pathogenic threat.
Viruses and health are directly correlated as even proven by the scam that was the plandemic. The CDC’s own study dated July 1, 2021 shows you that the highest risk factors for death were obesity (#1) and fear and anxiety disorders (#2, people who were LITERALLY scared to death by the evil that permeates the world today, these same fear and anxiety based people are still wearing masks outside, riding alone in their cars, etc. and highly vaccinated).
Of course all those diagnoses were made with a PCR diagnostic that was not subsequently cell cultured in human (not vero) cell lines.
https://cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
You know you called him a joke, no? That’s an argument? As to the importance of health, you made this a binary. So which person is more likely in touch with the realities of existence - the healtier or his antagonist?
the person who uses science as a basis for his arguments.
Ah, Steve, you’ve been blinded by “science,” another marker of a health deficit. But what you call science is not just reductionism, but reductionism raised to a higher power. It strikes me as a strange and flawed method of divining reality. “Beauty is truth - truth beauty. That’s all Ye know of this earth and all Ye need to know.”
By the by, you’re rich enough, could you buy a capital letter every now and then to start a sentence?
what i call science is clearly different than what you think is science.
You seem to think science operates on the same premise as a civil trial - some group of people deciding what is the more likely in any given scenario. You wrote it. Own it. The thing is, in the case of terrain theory you’ve already stipulated to the fact. You believe in immunity. Ergo, you believe the terrain determines whether someone can be infected or not. So, now that we’ve dispensed with your challenge how much am I to be awarded? Let’s move back to what is science. It certainly isn’t what goes on at any of the institutions of this broken world. Science is a process, and a relatively simple one, in which the story posited must prove itself against all enquiry, now and ever after. The story of distinct viruses as sole mechanisms of the cause and spread of disease is fiction, and like so much other institutional fiction that hides under the cover of “science” it is zealously protected from scrutiny.
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How's this for pattern recognition, Robert?
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And the evidence of that is....?
Disturbing only because he speaks 99% of what you advocate regarding “vaccines” and the dangers, particularly THIS COVID-19 “vaccine.
The way I see the article is that Steve Kirsch is not demanding that you believe him personally and in fact says in the article that few on that side will. He lays out the facts as he explains his own journey to understand the "virus doesn't exist" people . Hopefully "virus don't exist" people will then see where he's at and not waste their time writing long essays to him.
He's trying to help them not waste their own time. He can only do so much, though.
i have 0 respect for you too.
You don't even have a name!
why don't you propose this as a $200K bet and win some money?
I'm glad I made you happy.
Brilliant!! Fantastic article
That's what I was going to say!
Here is one question: Why is nobody able to buy/sell a standard of > 99% purified SARS-Cov-2 virus to use for standardisation of measurements like you buy other chemicals for standardisation of measurements?
If you can take see it under the microscope you should be able to purify it in larger quantities and test it out, and answer questions like what quantities cause illness? Or questions like what is the quality of the PCR tests?
And if you have the correct RNA sequence you should be able to produce it, shouldn't you?
Who can produce it in the world and in what quantities and how pure?
I have not found a better explanation than the virus theory, but I find the science is standing on weak grounds if it can not answer basic questions and come up with clear standardisation. Terms like isolated seem to be used in a very strange and unclear way.
You have the money Steve, ask how much of 99% pure SARS-CoV-2 virus you can buy for 1 million dollrs so we can establish the price for one gram of the purified virus 😀
I've sent in a request to ATCC for a quote on purified SARS-CoV-2.
Have you? Why not?
We have sequenced the whole human genome. So why can't we produce human clones?
What is the point of producing purified virus anyway? That's like packing rats into a barrel and selling "purified rat". When you unpack them, they are no longer viable or remotely useful except perhaps for feeding snakes (Paging Dr. Ardis!).
OK, yes, you could freeze them (virus particles). Then you need a careful protocol to thaw them out, separate, and re-suspend them so they can go to work.
Or you could collect them from some infected person and culture them. Then they are fresh. This is the approach most experimenters would take.
purified viruses are need for Tom Cowan followers who wouldn't buy them anyway. That's why they aren't produced.
there is no demand for this product. If there was, ATCC would offer it.
How many products have you bought from ATCC?
It’s not all that stable. Analogous question to ask: why can’t I buy a bottle full of neutrons?
However, you can buy FROZEN purified viruses from ATCC
Steve, I hope you get to watch the video circulating around called The End of Germ Theory. It explains that "purified" and "isolated" viruses have nothing to do with purification and isolation. I would love for you to watch it and then ask your virologist friends if it's true that in order to isolate and purify a virus, scientists have to mix, say, human sputum with monkey kidney cell culture, bovine serum, antibiotics, and other substances, then add time and heat. I am genuinely curious to hear if this is true or not.
Is it true that the only viruses that have been observed and photographed are the ones that have been revealed through such a process? Please ask them. And please watch the documentary. It's two-and-a-half-hours long.
Even human ones? Isn't it illegal for most fascilities?
Oh. I must have misread it. It says "Purified viruses" right on their home page.
Do you have difficulty reading English?
Ask them how they purified the virus, and report back.
It is too heavy... :-)
You _can_ buy a bottle full of neutrons. Neutrons are in almost everything. Just not purified and isolated.
You can't buy isolated and purified electrons, either.
Well, if you can't purify and isolate neutrons or electrons, do they even exist? ;^)
No one has ever seen either one.
SARS-COV-2 isn't a chemical. mRNA standards can be purchased for PCR use.
DNA and RNA and all subtypes of RNA are chemicals. They are organic molecules. What do you mean by "a chemical"?
SARS-COV-2 isn't a chemical--it's a virus. Viruses are made up of various chemicals, including nucleic acids, proteins, and lipids, organized to be infectious.
I can think about one reason: Legally it is a bio weapon. There are some legal obstacles in selling a biological weapon.
So its classified because it would threaten national security? What a load of Bovine Excrement....
You have to have a bioweapons level 3 lab to be able to handle covid virus. And having a lab like that in the US is illegal, so it is outsourced to Wuhan.
Try to understand who does what and why.
You are correct, but the whole BSL may be theater too.
Look how bad is the contamination in Wuhan. Perfect cover story. They put a potemkin lab to make the obvious seem unbelieveable.
I think that it's likely that covid was released deliberately and that the CDC and China worked together on it because there are so many people in the US backing China and relying on China, so they hated Trump and wanted to stop him and make Trump look impotent and foolish. Trump is ignorant about medical things and a germophobe, so that was the avenue of attack.
Event 201 was just too convenient as a playbook for this not to have been deliberate. If you look at the participants in Event 201, they are mostly major players and non-medical.
Oh I "understand" completely...everything they did was ILLEGAL in the US and they used Fed money to fund it...a sad bag of murderous criminals. Moot subject.
Then why did you ask why you can't buy SARS-COV-2?
I don’t think he is saying that, but yes, there are laws, and yes, Fauci and his cronies could turn things around to prosecute.
I was being more than a bit facetous.. but does Fauci have the standing to prosecute? I think not. But he would be fool if he chose to do so (unless a rigged jury or judge), I would love to be in the room during discovery. His name is all over this one. Illegally funded, Illegally researched, etc. etc. A counter suit would probably nip that one in the bud.
https://librti.com/view-video/uninformed-consent#dpr
No one was held responsible for 9/11.
.....because DOING so, would open up a MASSIVE 'can of worms' revealed as strewn across CENTURIES.....put it THIS way - the 'Project For A New AMERICAN Century', was PURPOSEFULLY misnamed.....
Agreed... at this point, the solution would be...have that discovery live streamed to everyones computers/phones. Then the public can be the "judge"
Yes, you can. Fear and the world wide macabre theather is a BIOWEAPON!
I have been questioning whether the A-bomb were always a lie. If so, then we could call those make believe weapons a very profitable lie in terms of power grab. But maybe they are real, and the Fench just made the world believe they were contaminating the Pacific Ocean because they are idiots.
KEY words - 'using THEM'.....there has been produced ZERO proof that any such ABSOLUTELY utilized a SPECIFIC substance, material the nature of which is LITTLE understood by conventionalists (but behavioral CLUES as to its nature, COULDN'T be MORE available.....)
Which still anyway does not change the fact, one may go to jail for selling it.
I know. It is so obvious that it is truly hilarious. Great research! Thank you.