Two papers show viruses that are large enough to be seen with an optical microscope. A third paper shows all of Koch's postulates satisfied for SARS-CoV-2 published in Nature. We're done.
I've modified the start of the article to add an explanation as to why I went down the rabbit hole and what I learned and why it is relevant.
I also pointed out that the burden is on Lanka et al. to show their hypothesis better fits the data. They can't even explain the simplest observations. (added 8/2 at 10:47am PST).
So there are now two new sections at the start that weren't in the emailed version.
Holy crap, Steve. This discussion thread literally is the flat earth society. We are in a pandemic but it is one of mental illness, cognitive dissonance and disassociation (let's use bad science to disprove good science!). The Internet allows these birds of a feather to flock together to reinforce the alternate realities, proof of the larger dangers of our interconnected world.
Darwin - hey, his theories were probably all bunk, too, right? See flames to this post as proof lol - is hard at work sorting this out, though. Keep up your good work and if you ever lose the $1M I'll pay for our move to Mars.
I think the bigger issue is simply that we do not yet have clear evidence that this particle (called the covid virus) which is delivered by the spike proteins, is actually the thing causing disease. We do have much evidence showing that the spike proteins cause tissue damage. And the jabs are full of the spike proteins. Apparently people can catch the virus because the spike protein makes this possible. But we are still looking at correlation of the two, without any real evidence the payload inside of the spike protein (the virus) is the actual CAUSE.
So the red herring or strawman argument becomes whether or not the virus exists at all. This keeps people focused on something OTHER THAN the injuries the spike proteins are causing. Rather than arguing about whether the virus exists, people need to start asking whether we have any reliable evidence the virus is in fact what is causing disease. It does appear the real problem is the spike proteins. So we need to stop injecting them into people.
1- Actually, when you get into it the spike protein is a curative agent. I'm NOT talking about the garbage they put in the kill shot. I'm talking about the body's defense system. Whatever is seen of the "spike protein" is an artists depiction of what a flat black and white image in an electron micrograph may look like in 3D. Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body, as a defense against something that's not right IN the body, like an acidic pH or cellular degeneration due to electromagnetic radiation.
2- You cannot "catch" a virus. Viruses do not exist as infectious agents floating around in the air waiting to infect you. During the Spanish Flu researchers tried many ways (more than a dozen) to infect healthy people with the flu. They took snot and saliva from sick people and put it in the mouths, up their noses, in their eyes and I can't remember what all else they tried and they were unable to make even ONE person sick.
It is so strange to me that Steve Kirsch is not even suspicious that MAYBE poor health is what causes diseases. He is stuck on the idea that you can avoid disease by avoid contact with ubiquitous particles.
You are right on at least one count. Darwin's Theories are all bunk. The Science is never settled. And the best you guys can do is compare anyone who disagrees with your positions to the Flat Earthers. Ad Hominid, Appeal to Authority. What other attacks hide behind your CD and D-K minds?
Yeah imagine choosing Darwin's theory as your one banker scientific theory that only a crank could disagree with - that is, the notion that this keyboard I'm typing on now happened by accident, after some molecules in a soup bumped into each other in a specific way and then this carried on.
The SARSCoV2 bioweapon was intentionally made as a mild but infectious manmade virus using what Baric describes a 'no-see-ums method' . So ppl die through layers of nanobot toxicity depending on their immune system. Other than Dr Richard Fleming, here is Dr Charles B. Simone. an Internist, a Medical Oncologist, a Radiation Oncologist, and an Immunologist, with more evidence on the patented bioweapon and it's disguise using the viral genome technique.
Everything is hidden in plain sight for us to see. Ppl have a gut instinct that this is true, so no need for further argumentative distractions from holding these ppl to account. The virus is not deadly just contagious but mainly ppl with low immunity and more harmful for ppl with comorbidities and latent diseases. https://www.simonesuperenergy.com/covid-19-bioweapon/
Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body as a defense against something that's not right INSIDE the body. They are NOT infectious. Researchers during the Spanish Flu proved that viral infection does not exist. A dangerous spike protein was engineered in a lab and is used in the kill shot.
The bio-weapon is the dangerous spike protein, which is contained IN the vax. Dr. Robert Young PhD had a post where he sent out letters to dozens of medical agencies all over the world asking if they had any evidence for the existence of of SARS-CoV-2. He included full page readable screenshots of all the replies that he received. The post was HUGE, very long. Not even one confirmed isolation. Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body as a repair protein against something that's not right INSIDE the body, like an acidic pH caused by electromagnetic radiation or a build-up of toxic chemicals caused from eating man's garbage, so-called "food".
Dr. Saeed Qureshi expert in medical diagnostic testing (its chemistry stupid) just squashed you. Avg people can figure this out. No billionaires or even chemistry degrees required. Step by Step logic PLUS avg people can conduct their own real control experiment and attempt to "catch the Specifit "variant" and symptoms" of any sick relative or friend that is supposedly sick with a "virus" - common cold, flu, strep, whooping cough, measles, now money pox- ive been letting "covid positive and other sick relatives cough in my face and I drink out of their glasses, hang on couch with them for hours - NOTHING- many times different people, going on 2 yrs now. and Im supposedly HIGH RISK given age and pre existing conditions. Now im waiting to touch a money pox lesion to prove that is a farce.. All illness is poisoning or nutritition deficiency. End of story. The Paradigm shift is here..
Bingo! You cannot prevent diseases while maintaining poor health, no matter how many injections or pills you take. And the evidence is already in that the jabs CAUSE poor health, so.....
I found this comment from him. I wonder which "Steve" he was replying to.
Steve:
Thanks for your kind words about my article and also for asking the questions.
First, to be clear that I am not a microbiologist or virologist. I am a chemist and have worked in the pharmaceuticals area for 30+ years (as a scientist with Health Canada). I gained significant experience and expertise in critically evaluating pharmaceutical products.
Regarding the claim of virus isolation, I am saying that the experiments microbiologists/virologists perform and describe, such as virus characterization, identification, belongs to the chemistry discipline. However, the chemistry work has not been conducted accurately; hence claims made are incorrect.
There are many ways to describe and explain the inaccuracies. One of which is that of isolation of a substance, in this case, a virus. If one needs to isolate a virus, one must go through multiple steps, such as extraction, purification, identification, and structure determination, resulting in a pure sample of the virus. Nothing of this sort has been done for the virus isolation, in particular, SARS-CoV-2. Therefore, it cannot be said that the virus has been isolated and identified, or even it exists.
On the other hand, microbiologists and virologists (among others) work with a modified definition and description of the term isolation, for their purpose, as taking a swab sample (i.e., separating virus from the host). That is not a good scientific practice. Therefore, in reality, a virus never gets isolated in its true or pure form.
On the other hand, to appear scientific, the DNA/RNA sequencing is considered as a claim of “identifying” the virus in a swab sample without truly “isolating” it (we chemists call it a clean-up step). Some chemical steps using enzymes (commonly known as polymerization, again a chemistry step) are conducted, followed by taking some pictures of the soup with an electron microscope. Observing spherical bodies with spikes are considered to reflect the existence of coronavirus.
From this soup (note everything is from the soup, nothing from pure virus), DNA or RNA or its fragments are extracted to establish their sequences. There is no evidence that this DNA or RNA is from anything specific, including the virus – it is an assumption. Based on computer analysis and comparison with previously obtained “reference” sequence (usually obtained from WHO depository), which is also “isolated” in a similar manner (without isolating the virus), virus existence is established. If the sequence did not match the “reference” sequence (not a virus), it would become a new virus or new strain.
The publications, links you provided all follow the same or similar protocol as I summarized above. I have critically reviewed two such publications, one from Australia (the one you noted in your post as well), the other from the USA (CDC), where I explained: “science” behind “isolation” of the virus. Links are provided (link1, link2) please have a look.
I have been arguing for some time that nowhere I can find an isolated virus, so why people keep claiming isolated virus. My recent discussion with a microbiologist made it clear that the virus has never been isolated but misrepresented by incorrect definition of the word “isolation.” That makes it clear why I could never find the sample and specimen of the pure virus because it does not exist. One may imagine my shock after hearing this – so I wrote the article.
I hope I answered your query adequately. Otherwise, let me know. I will explain it further. I like to make another point, without going into technical details, the sequencing (chemistry) part is pretty iffy. It is well known to the people in the area that sequencing steps can produce highly unpredictable results. The PCR test, which in reality is based on sequencing, suffers this weakness. Hence one sees so many false positive or negative outcomes that make the lack of “virus existence” claim even stronger. (edited)
Thank you Steve for doing this! The fact that people like Fauci, CDC, FDA are never willing to engage in challenging debates with influential people of opposing views tells you a lot.
I agree it is time to move on. But you keep holding the unproven position. I will leave you with these two links. one is a great analogy about dandelions and virology. The other is why Jon Rappaport dismisses your challenge. Both are an excellent read.
The John Rappoport touches on the subject of isolating the virus by concocting a "soup." This process is explained in detail in the video The End of Germ Theory, starting at 29:00.
Everybody needs to watch that video and read the articles you posted, especially Steve.
Steve, the REAL issue is that there is no hard evidence these particular particles are causing disease. Correlation is not proof of CAUSE. People in poor health get sick or infected. We do know this much for sure. And it does look like this produces more of these particles we call viruses. Poor health has MANY causes, none of which pharma will examine in their attempt to prove that these particular particles are the cause of health problems.
OBVIOUSLY this smoke and mirror game is intended to sell more VACCINES.
The FACT that the vast majority of people who test positive for these particles never get any symptoms, should at least make you WONDER if they are truly the cause of anything.
This is the part where pharma has you FULLY hoodwinked. Until you accept that you MIGHT be wrong about the cause of disease, (i.e., imagine that something OTHER THAN a virus is at play) you will never recover from the spell, and your ability to get the core truth out there will remain blocked.
CERN requires a 1 in 3.5 million odds ratio before they accept that a theoretical particle is actually responsible for the reactions they are seeing. Here, we have a purportedly observable particle, a virus. But we have essentially ZERO evidence that it is in fact the CAUSE of what we are seeing (disease) and MUCH evidence showing that it is NOT the cause of the disease.
"But it MUST be what is causing the disease, because it EXISTS!" - is an obtuse position. Proving that a particle exists does not prove that it is the CAUSE of anything at all.
Show us EVIDENCE that this particle is the CAUSE of the disease or symptoms of the disease. This would end this debate. But you CANNOT do this. So you attempt to claim that the existence of this particle is ALSO evidence that it is causing disease. This is EXACTLY how pharma wants you to frame this.
We know that biological agents being adapted to be more infectious and varying degrees of toxicity all made to look like a naturally occurring 'virus' is happening. The solutions as a key to these problems were also created and patented for maximum profit. The biggest surprise for vaccine developers is how quickly it shot ppl down. Immune systems already made poorly from years of chemicals, food, water and air toxicity.
Arguing about the existence of a virus is a moot point, ppl are dying from GM biological agents created in a lab, while ppl decide on its label as a 'virus' is absurd. The likes of WIV and other global BSL4 lab operating collaboratively, like a satanic consortium, funded by Ecohealth Alliance backed by NIH are not built for tea parties. There is never any need for gain of function studies other than to create biological agents that maim and kill.
Clearly we are in need of a human-centric bioethics commission selected by the World Health Alliance.
How about just enforcing our existing rights to not have ANYBODY telling us that we must inject into our bodies? Handing over control to yet another global power does not sound like a good answer to any of this. The more local the power, the more likely it will not become corrupted. I prefer to maintain control over my own body. I will NEVER trust a global power with my health or life. Obama had a bioethics committee when he was in office. They determined that there was nothing unethical about slaughtering a child up to the age of three. They put this in PRINT. No thanks to a group deciding FOR US what is "ethical". That part is between me and God.
You make very good points about also working locally, especially getting councils back on track away from agenda 2030 and with the ppl. Constitutional lawyers fighting battles in Canada,. The lead guy wrote bill of rights in Canada fighting at age 80 the destruction of the charter by legal amendments.. I mention this bcos he even had trouble speaking at his local town council. So we have to start with ourselves, then our communities, grass level filtering back to the top as well as competing organisation globally. I took control of bodily autonomy admittedly I haven't been directly threatened just coerced. There is a bioethics committee useless as tits on a bull. We need the world alliance and world Council of Health collaborating with a bioethics committee under the Great Barrington Declaration. The actual pandemic response was overridden by WEF and the hijacked WHO. All national pandemic plans went out the window. The World Health Alliance are driven by Hippocratic Oath of first do no harm and are very much on the side of real health for the ppl. Just thought I wld clarify that. I'm sure the new organisations as a parallel alternative to WHO have their checks and balances in place.
I will always reject the idea of a powerful body controlling our health. We must work to dispossess current global and national bodies that claim power to decide what we do with our bodies. Constructing and empowering more of these entities, which will all inevitably be hijacked by evil, is not something I am interested in.
The answers are not outside of ourselves. There are no others who are more fit to decided what we do with our bodies. We must not believe that all answers lie in granting others power to fix things for us. We must fight to take charge of our own lives, and we must argue AGAINST these entities who claim to have such power over us.
A new group empowered to control the corrupted group, RATHER THAN simply affirming that NOBODY (other than ourselves) should be making personal medical decisions for us, will only lead to others having even MORE power. And we would have been the ones to hand it to them.
I am OFF of this train. There is zero chance I can be convinced that new global entities should be created and given even MORE power than the ones we are fighting to get rid of right now.
Nobody is coming to save us. We must save ourselves. In believing someone else out there, someone more powerful, smarter, (more whatever) will come to our rescue if only we give them more power, we die, and we leave our progeny with even less chance of survival.
Not trusting and being individualistic is not the answer. Yes, we need to take control and critically analyse the science. To get the true science and medical protocol that saves lives there must be a way to oversee the establishment. You, or I alone cannot pull them into gear. We cannot pretend that institutions don't exist some of what western medicine has achieved has been useful. In particular I had a virus I tried holistically to heal but it took one specific antiviral to help heal me and get me out of excruciating pain.
We need to unify with medico legal bodies that have our backs, or we forever have corruption superseding and creating pandemic orders. Takes more than one, takes all of us with doctors and scientists proving day after day their integrity. Standing with the FLCCC in the US and AMPS , Covid Medical Network in Oz etc to push the boundaries and make sure we are considered in the healthcare paradigm, that we always get informed consent when we require to use the system.
AHPRA and TGA in Oz are out of control with power. Many ppl write letters and are ignored, even MPs aware of the false narrative. Doctors, specialists and allied health whistleblowers, gradually standing up risking immediate deregistration but it has to be done and we must get behind them to shift this evil chaos.
Steve's sudden shift of opinion that viruses exist, period, end of story, flies in the face of what many of us have learned in the last few years and makes me think he's been paid off to change his tune. None of it really matters because the truth is out there, freely available to all who look for it.
If you truly went down a rabbit hole on this subject, it would take you weeks, perhaps months and you'd need to read several thousands pages, perhaps 10s of thousands.
Probably. It IS the pharma way. It sells far more vaccines if people go on believing what Steve is selling, i.e., that so long as he can prove the particle EXISTS, this is ALSO evidence that this particle is responsible for disease, INSTEAD OF poor health, bad nutrition, toxins, stress, etc.
The idea that someone who tests positive for this ubiquitous particle may now attribute their health problems to the fact it exists, is what sells MORE VACCINES. I am not afraid of particles. I am afraid of the LIES growing, and being supported by so-called "truthers" who spend more time attacking people who are trying to stop this madness, than they do attacking pharma.
Also, in the spring of 2020, Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, at the epicenter of the NYC Covid crisis published several videos pleading for the community to understand that this is not a respiratory virus. Since then, Dr. Kyle-Sidell has been trying to make people understand that this is a vascular disease that later presents as high-altitude sickness.
Steve is still sure that this is a respiratory virus... he has gaps of knowledge that he fills by appealing to authority. He can get better at thinking critically.
The point of that particular comment I wrote is not whether Covid is caused by a virus or not. It's whether Covid is caused by is a respiratory virus or not. Steve is sure that SARS-CoV-2 is a respiratory virus. I posted Kyle-Sidell's comment as an example of the questions that are assumed to be answered but aren't.
Steve seems to think he is a better scientist than Mike Yeadon. He trusts what PHARMA has to say about this virus, and all others, and he seems unaware that he is HELPING pharma justify the continued vaccine programs. No matter how many people who have tested positive for these particles remain disease-free, Steve CHOOSES to believe that these particles (called viruses) are in fact the CAUSE of disease.
No matter how much hard evidence there is that these particles are NOT the cause of disease, Steve continues down this path. I guess he has to continue justifying getting himself vaccinated. He once said that he got himself vaccinated. Once people do this, they hang on to any theory they can to justify it.
Yep. He wants to believe there was at least SOME rational reason to let them inject him. There was not. He was fooled, if in FACT he actually took the jabs, which at this point I am leaning toward not believing he actually did. If he did, he might have been lucky and gotten only saline. 50% of the injections were just saline for the first few months after the roll out on the general public. This was done so that not EVERYONE who got jabbed would be having side effects. That would have been too obvious. And when we saw that many people who took the jabs were just fine, this was supposed to serve as evidence that the jabs must not actually be capable of causing injury.
Keep your eye on the ball Steve and don’t get distracted by whether a virus exists or not. You have precious time to focus on the vaccine and censorship issues that go along with it,
STEVE, people are NOT arguing that these particles do not exist. We are arguing that we do NOT have proof these particular particles are IN FACT the cause of disease. POOR HEALTH appears to be what produces infections. And a consequence of infection may well be an increased excretion of certain particles. So it is the chicken before the egg game, and you are fighting on the side of PHARMA.
We STILL do not have clear evidence of cause and effect here. Remember the old pharma trope (whenever we complain that people suddenly get sick or die right after injection) that "association does NOT prove cause?"
WHY do YOU agree with, and fight for, pharma's position here?
WHY are you arguing to justify MORE of these INSANE vaccine programs, by supporting and defending the theory that we are getting sick NOT because of poor health, but INSTEAD because of whatever particle the vaccine industry tells us we need to be "vaccinated against?"
Your argument that WE must prove the NON existence of a particle, and that if we cannot, then this means PHARMA is telling the truth, is ASININE.
Stop with this FARCE of an argument. It makes you seem ignorant or maybe like you are controlled opposition.
In is ONLY to the extent a particle can be PROVEN to cause disease, that it can properly be classified as a virus. I have yet to see ANY evidence that any of these particles (that they are calling viruses) is actually the CAUSE of any disease. So on this we both agree. There is no such thing as a virus according the definition of a virus, which REQUIRES that it cause disease BEFORE it can be referred to as a virus.
Definition of a virus: : the causative agent of an infectious disease.
So a particle can exist, but this does NOT mean that it is a virus. And again, I have yet to see ANY clear evidence that there are ANY so-called viruses. I have seen evidence of some particles that they are trying to make us believe are the cause of disease.
This entire argument about whether this or that particle exists at all is a strawman, a red herring. The retards argue that if they can prove a particle exists, that this makes it a virus, and that the fact the particle exists, somehow ALSO proves that it causes disease and can therefore rightly be called a virus.
I am STILL waiting for a single crap of EVIDENCE that any of these particles are ACTUALLY the CAUSE of disease.
It is NOT my definition. That definition was quoted from Webster's Dictionary. A virus, by it's very definition, is an agent that causes disease.
If a particle can be defined as a "virus" WITHOUT evidence that it DOES cause disease, then ANY particle could be defined as a virus. And this is exactly how pharma wants you to think. They do NOT want to be forced to prove that the particle they are testing for and injecting us for, is ACTUALLY the cause of disease.
Instead, they want people arguing about whether or not the particle itself exists at all. Evidence that a particle exists, is NOT evidence that the identified particle is a "virus" that causes disease. If they were to be held to the fire on THIS question, they would lose the argument. So they reframe the argument to whether or not the particle exists.
The fact that sick people test positive for this specific (and UNBIQUITOUS) particle (the only one they are testing for) is NOT evidence that this specific particle is what CAUSED them to become ill.
Good health prevents disease no matter WHAT particles you are exposed to or test positive for. Why do you think so many people who test positive for covid never have ANY symptoms of disease?
Is it possible this entire mess was intended only to convince us to get these injections? Or is this something you would never consider as a possibility? I guess you believe hundreds of $billions$ in profits could never be strong enough motive for anyone to promote a mass deception.
I'm not sure who the "they" is when you say "they want people arguing about whether or not the particle exists at all." Cowan, Kaufman, Bailey and crew? Or the globalist cabal?
Anyhow I want to acknowledge your argument that it is more important to focus on the causative aspect of this particle and not whether or not it exists. And if they did, they, virologist and propagandists, wouldn't be able to show causation.
And maybe you're right, maybe that's the better way to show the fraud of it all.
But I'd argue that the game is over even before we get to showing causation or not. Cowan, Kaufman, Bailey, and Lanka ARE saying that there are no virus particles period and don't give these images any legitimacy because the process by which they are obtained don't reflect isolation of anything. If step 1 is "Show that there is a virus particle" then virologists haven't done it. How can you even move to step 2, showing it causes a disease?
There are a lot of particles to take pictures of in these snot samples. All kinds of particles that can be captured on in an electron micrograph. Without even getting into if they cause a disease, virology can't isolate a particle because they've change the definition of "isolate" from "get it by itself" to "take some snot soup and add more stuff to it" as Dr. Saeed A. Qureshi above was explaining. This process of isolation by adding stuff causes the tissue to breakdown and now you have more particles, artifacts of the culturing process itself. So there's particles, lots of particles. That any of those particles should come from a virus is a non-sequitur.
Steve, I read your information to gain knowledge. Thank you.
In this case of virus vs no virus, I eagerly read your words expecting to find a few definitive answers. And am disappointed. In all your paragraphs crowing about your challenge (as if an unanswered challenge is proof of anything), the only actual information you've provided were links to other's journal articles.
Please understand that many of your readers are not MD's or virologists. We need help understanding which part of these complicated articles prove your point. We often see links to these types of papers in social media claiming they're PROOOF! But when we take the time read them we find that they often fail to have control groups or the control groups and ingenuous. A classic example is the CDC's reference article to the effectiveness of remdesivir. When you actually read it, it shows how dangerous the drug is.
The Nature article is written by all Chinese named authors. Any Wuhan linked authors? Any possible motivation for Chinese disinformation? Further, the source of the virus was from the Chinese wet market and was merely collected spit from sick people. All Chinese. The genome sequencing, Chinese. Everything is Chinese with this virus. The samples were centrifuged to remove cellular debris. Isn't a virus an exosome? Aren't exosomes cellular debris? From cells damaged from toxins as well as virus'? We need help connecting your dots.
Could you please make an outline of your case with a few bullet points to highlight specific page or table numbers. Then please explain at a high school level why it proves what you claim.
We are surrounded by lies and disinformation. We are looking for facts and truth to save our families. If you want to 'convert' people to your view, please show us rather than just verbally claim and post 3rd party data while insulting anyone who doubts virology.
Steve's claim to fame is thru so called dissident Chinese doctors who promoted the lab leak hypothesis. Did Steve demand absolute proof from them? Absolutely not! Why? They fit his narrative Notice he now claims that the antigen tests are proof positive yet he negates the PCR tests. Or is he now convinced PCR is accurate and measures virus exposure? Where are those antigen tests manufactured? China manufactures most if not all those antigen tests with our tax money!! You can believe Kirsch on some level but he is not any more a scientist as the rest of the people reading his material. Has Kirsch and friends studied the validity of those antigen tests which he claims are a valid method of testing for "antigens?" Doesn't he know that people tested the antigen tests on Coca Cola and some came back negative while others positive? Absolutely not. Of course, he and his panel will claim the Coke had a coronavirus in it which the tests identified.
Thank you for responding, Steve. I didn't expect you to and appreciate that you noticed and that you care.
What we have is a complete loss of trust by many people in all aspects of modern medicine and the lab sciences which back it up. Many people are (understandably) deeply suspicious of anyone or any entity tied into covid and the vaccines. It can create an overly negative response to anything pharmaceutical and certainly anything viral. The key to not falling into the 'throw everything out' reaction is a thorough understanding of the basic fundamentals of scientific method and which parts of medical science are still trustworthy.
How can one test be trusted yet another can't? When is PCR a valid and informative tool and when is it abused to give false positives? The details of the test equipment used and the settings employed on the equipment matter. The research articles list it but most of us don't know what is important and what isn't. You have the education and experience to make these judgement calls. Most of the rest of us don't. Our technical ignorance leaves a disconnect and we haven't yet found a bridge to return to trust. An added complication is the problem of intentional disinformation backed by big money with slick marketing.
Please don't take it personally that many don't agree with you or trust you. Just keep plowing ahead presenting information. Keep showing us why you think it is trustworthy. Keep showing us which parts of the system are still useful tools for finding facts and helping humanity.
I don't follow personalities. I follow patterns in the data. When you and other doctors and virologists have presented enough data to create a trend; most people who are honestly seeking facts will see it too.
He shouldn't be betting—that sets him up for losing. Who likes to lose? He should look at the issue with curiosity. He says he does, but betting on it puts him in the position of "I know I'm right."
The other day, a Pharma-whore politician came to the door and asked for my vote in the upcoming election. We talked about political polarity, particularly in reference to the whole COVID mess. He stated that there was so much misinformation that I should pick just one person, like my drug monkey allopath, for all my advice on such a complex and befuddled subject. He himself chose to listen to a state-appointed bureaucrat.
There are at least a dozen people I trust on finding the truth on COVID, including Tom Cowan. I don't need "just one person" (sort of like the Pope of Science, I guess) to figure stuff out for me, yourself included. If I'm ever on the fence for who to believe, my simple credo is "don't believe in the benevolence of billionaires."
Tom's main argument is largely philosophical, and it gets pretty deep in the weeds for some people because of the inadequacies of language, which rarely conveys the same meaning to all people.
These guys are asking important questions, and have been seeking to engage in scientific dialog to see if it is possible to find the truth. If you don't have the discipline to open mindedly participate in such a dialog you should move on to topics that better suit your personality.
Ad hominem. Steve, you’re losing people with this nonsense. Just focus on stopping the injections - it is a fight you are certainly voicing loudly and many appreciate your efforts. But calling Cowan a joke is ridiculous.
Have you bothered to study radiation poisoning and the symptoms? Most symptoms are the same we have seen the past couple of years.
It could be fair to accept either hypothesis. One being such a hypothesis that contagion & infection spreads around to people who become around one another all together exposed to the same environment which is exposed to whatever toxins that poison a host causing cell disruption & destruction as affected cells change into these “things” being construed as “viruses” which is asserted by not just Dr. Cowan, but many others concurring the same. Or accept the popular 2 century old allopathic hypothesis of an invading pathogen causing cell disruption and destruction.
End of the day, despite anyones feelings about Dr. Thomas Cowan, he is NOT the only one, at least of all whom I have ever mentioned, which are many others with zero incentive except to do as all other truth seeking true science advocates wish to do, as Dr. Cowan, to expose false narratives being one of many who assert the fraudulence of “viruses” as such has been taught being the actual causation of illness/disease due to being some outsourced “invading” pathogen.
And, one of many who assert that illness & disease actually occurs, yes, from outside the infected host, except by environmental toxicity which poisons a host/organism that inhaled, ingests or comes in contact with the toxin resulting in a host’s/organism’s cells to become necrotic and that which is seen of a cell’s metamorphic destruction, as the result of cells being poisoned is what had been back in the 20th century and what still is deemed being “isolated” and claimed to be seen under electron microscopy as being the “viruses” which ORIGINATE from within
Really? So, have you already invited him on your show podcast and he’s declined as so many others you’ve said declined? Would you invite him? It’d be an intriguing & enlightening conversation between you two.
It's good to hear that you've moved on, as it implies that you are listening and possibly learning. But publicly disparaging a person of Tom Cowan's caliber is completely uncalled for. You might want to edit your comment, as you'll get more respect by showing respect.
he deserves to be public shamed. I don't respect anyone who misleads people and won't be held accountable. Has he ever admitted he was wrong on 5G causing COVID?
Since when do ad hominem attacks achieve anything but polarization and division? They have no place in critical thinking. I've pretty sure I've read all but one of Tom's books (unless he snuck another one out while I wasn't looking). I've never gotten the impression that he had intentionally misled anyone. I don't know if I agree with 100% of his thoughts, but his unconventional (and in my opinion, spot-on) views on how the heart works very likely saved my life. The cardiologist I saw (who out of respect I won't name) was a joke.
Terrain theory says it is the health of the host that determines health or sickness levels; germ theory says it is some scary external pathogenic threat.
Viruses and health are directly correlated as even proven by the scam that was the plandemic. The CDC’s own study dated July 1, 2021 shows you that the highest risk factors for death were obesity (#1) and fear and anxiety disorders (#2, people who were LITERALLY scared to death by the evil that permeates the world today, these same fear and anxiety based people are still wearing masks outside, riding alone in their cars, etc. and highly vaccinated).
Of course all those diagnoses were made with a PCR diagnostic that was not subsequently cell cultured in human (not vero) cell lines.
The way I see the article is that Steve Kirsch is not demanding that you believe him personally and in fact says in the article that few on that side will. He lays out the facts as he explains his own journey to understand the "virus doesn't exist" people . Hopefully "virus don't exist" people will then see where he's at and not waste their time writing long essays to him.
He's trying to help them not waste their own time. He can only do so much, though.
Here is one question: Why is nobody able to buy/sell a standard of > 99% purified SARS-Cov-2 virus to use for standardisation of measurements like you buy other chemicals for standardisation of measurements?
If you can take see it under the microscope you should be able to purify it in larger quantities and test it out, and answer questions like what quantities cause illness? Or questions like what is the quality of the PCR tests?
And if you have the correct RNA sequence you should be able to produce it, shouldn't you?
Who can produce it in the world and in what quantities and how pure?
I have not found a better explanation than the virus theory, but I find the science is standing on weak grounds if it can not answer basic questions and come up with clear standardisation. Terms like isolated seem to be used in a very strange and unclear way.
You have the money Steve, ask how much of 99% pure SARS-CoV-2 virus you can buy for 1 million dollrs so we can establish the price for one gram of the purified virus 😀
We have sequenced the whole human genome. So why can't we produce human clones?
What is the point of producing purified virus anyway? That's like packing rats into a barrel and selling "purified rat". When you unpack them, they are no longer viable or remotely useful except perhaps for feeding snakes (Paging Dr. Ardis!).
OK, yes, you could freeze them (virus particles). Then you need a careful protocol to thaw them out, separate, and re-suspend them so they can go to work.
Or you could collect them from some infected person and culture them. Then they are fresh. This is the approach most experimenters would take.
Steve, I hope you get to watch the video circulating around called The End of Germ Theory. It explains that "purified" and "isolated" viruses have nothing to do with purification and isolation. I would love for you to watch it and then ask your virologist friends if it's true that in order to isolate and purify a virus, scientists have to mix, say, human sputum with monkey kidney cell culture, bovine serum, antibiotics, and other substances, then add time and heat. I am genuinely curious to hear if this is true or not.
Is it true that the only viruses that have been observed and photographed are the ones that have been revealed through such a process? Please ask them. And please watch the documentary. It's two-and-a-half-hours long.
SARS-COV-2 isn't a chemical--it's a virus. Viruses are made up of various chemicals, including nucleic acids, proteins, and lipids, organized to be infectious.
You have to have a bioweapons level 3 lab to be able to handle covid virus. And having a lab like that in the US is illegal, so it is outsourced to Wuhan.
I think that it's likely that covid was released deliberately and that the CDC and China worked together on it because there are so many people in the US backing China and relying on China, so they hated Trump and wanted to stop him and make Trump look impotent and foolish. Trump is ignorant about medical things and a germophobe, so that was the avenue of attack.
Event 201 was just too convenient as a playbook for this not to have been deliberate. If you look at the participants in Event 201, they are mostly major players and non-medical.
Oh I "understand" completely...everything they did was ILLEGAL in the US and they used Fed money to fund it...a sad bag of murderous criminals. Moot subject.
I was being more than a bit facetous.. but does Fauci have the standing to prosecute? I think not. But he would be fool if he chose to do so (unless a rigged jury or judge), I would love to be in the room during discovery. His name is all over this one. Illegally funded, Illegally researched, etc. etc. A counter suit would probably nip that one in the bud.
Yes, you can. Fear and the world wide macabre theather is a BIOWEAPON!
I have been questioning whether the A-bomb were always a lie. If so, then we could call those make believe weapons a very profitable lie in terms of power grab. But maybe they are real, and the Fench just made the world believe they were contaminating the Pacific Ocean because they are idiots.
KEY words - 'using THEM'.....there has been produced ZERO proof that any such ABSOLUTELY utilized a SPECIFIC substance, material the nature of which is LITTLE understood by conventionalists (but behavioral CLUES as to its nature, COULDN'T be MORE available.....)
You havent proof anything on your texts. Theres no correlation what they are saying. You are making misinformerd vclaims what and how they explain everything. Thats not Even possible to isolate something as particle which is not particle. Only diagnostic thing in The particle, not The particle. Its tissue produktion problem not Any virus. I just beat you badly.
You are clearly triggered by this concept. Your blogs on this are full of poorly structured arguments. And the way in which you try to do a "devastating takedown" on their credibility reminds me of stuff that was going on inside NIH. If you really wanted to debate these guys, you would research their exact arguments with an open mind and explain why you think there is sufficient proof, how it is sufficient (beyond "we've believed this for 100 years). Just do the work Steve. I don't want to be suspicious of your agenda. The responsibility is not for them to prove a new hypothesis, though try they might, it's just to say, the existing scientific proof is insufficient. More data is needed.
All it takes is for a person to watch THE END OF GERM THEORY from Steve Falkner of Spacebusters. Plain Simple English and graphics.
It seems crystal clear to me as a totally unvaxxed person EVER who is NEVER SICK, never get a cold or flu or anything, Eat real food and no toxins = Complete health.
The mice study paper says it has fulfilled Koch’s postulates, but, as is always the case, they have not:
Here are Koch’s postulates:
Steps required to establish a microorganism as the cause of a disease:
(K1) it must be found in all cases of the disease;
(K2) it must be isolated from the host and grown in pure culture;
(K3) it must reproduce the original disease when introduced into a susceptible host;
(K4) it must be found present in the experimental host so infected.
Here is why they didn't fulfill the postulates:
K1) All they did was weigh the mice that had the hACE2 receptors. Some lost weight. They conclude, therefore, that a virus made them sick. But no one looked for a virus or even Covid-like symptoms in the mice. Maybe the hACE2 mice were sick because they were genetically modified.
K2) The HB-01 cell culture was not described. Who knows what kind of toxic crap was in it. No doubt it was not a “pure culture” of virus. Typically there is a toxic soup of chemicals that includes and ant-biotic.
K3) Why didn’t every mice exposed to the HB-01 strain get sick, the hACE2 mice and the wild mice? According to K3 they should all get sick.
K4) No one looked for the pathogen in the mice with the weight loss.
So none of the postulates were fulfilled.
The best conclusion that I would draw from this small-sample experiment is that genetically modified mice are not as healthy as wild type mice.
It's not that a 'particle' that we call a virus doesn't exist...the real question is...what exactly is it? We inject exosomes from mesenchymal stem cells into joints in my office. Cells communicate between each other and with each other via exosomes (liposomal encapsulated proteins). Cells also off-load their garbage (metabolic protein and genetic junk) via exosomes. When the body is slammed with a stress (whether it be radiation, EMF, bacterial/parasite infections, emotional trauma causing shock, etc. the cells will may be off-loading their damaged materials and breakdown substances (taking out the trash) and they will do this via endothelium reticulum (remember 8th grade biology) via liposomal encapsulation to easily eject the stuff through the cell membrane and out. This is a viable possible explanation for what a 'virus' is. The science isn't set. We may be able to 'see' something...but what is 'it' and how does 'it' affect us really is the unanswered question.
If you're making the claim...you need to provide the proof. You have none. Nobody does. Do you even understand the basics of root cause determination via basic problem solving methodoligies? If you provided your position as proof in a high tech setting...you'd get laughed out of the room....and I'd be embarrassed to be your manager.
Both sides are doing a lot of talking past each other's points in my opinion. There is a middle ground.
The book Virus Mania actually doesn't deny the existence of viruses per se, but mainly the newer ones - RNA and retrovirii in particular only have indirect 'proofs' of their existence. Cowan's objections re authenticity of electron micrographs of coronaviruses, specifically, have not been rebutted convincingly imo.
Stefan Lanka himself claims to have isolated (in the proper sense of the word) 'giant viruses' in starfish. The other interesting part of this is that he found said giant virii in the starfish who were ***HEALTHIER***.
The idea that microbes & shmiruses are pathogenic by nature will need to be revised big-time, I suspect.
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BTW, I'm still waiting for the scientific study that DIRECTLY shows - in the 'ground truth' sense - the presence of fully intact "respiratory virus" virions in the breath or saliva of an "infected" person. If it's SOOOO FRICKING CONTAGIOUS, then why have virions in breath or even saliva NEVER EVER BEEN SHOWN? Why does it always have to be PCR?
I suspect 'biological field' explanations in the spirit of Sheldrake (his aren't even the first or most comprehensive outlines of such ideas, but merely the least incompatible with 'mainstream' thinking) are going to bear fruit going forward, as hard as it may be for the orthodoxy to accept (much like germ theory was very difficult for miasmists to accept). Montagnier's 'water memory' experiments seem to point to similar directions of understanding.
I think a lot of anti-Establishment types like the "no virus" theory because it simply makes believers reject Medical authority automatically, which I admit would have been great in 2020.
Not to argue with you or anyone else, but UFOs exist because people have taken pictures of them and I have even seen movie clips of UFOs taken in South America and other countries where the craft are flying slowly and low over city buildings and between buildings, then suddenly moving away very quickly. Then there are the radar images of craft flying at incredible speeds. Finally there is the clip of one of our UFO triangular ships, the TR-3B that does the same things the UFOs do. There is a clip of a TR-3B hovering in the sky as it powers up and then is suddenly gone. When it was slowed to individual frames in the space of one frame it is in one frame and in the next frame it has moved so quickly that all that was recorded was a slash of light on the frame. The TR-3B is supposed to have a reversed engineered alien propulsion system that uses a nuclear reactor. Then there is the Alien Reproduction Vehicle that a number of credible people have seen in operation.
I don't know if you remember this but back in 1949 or 1950 there was the report of three saucers over Washington, DC. Hundreds of people saw them and it was reported in the newspapers. It seems to have been scrubbed from our consciousness. I remember it because my father told me about it and produced an article and pictures from the New York Times newspaper.
I agree. The personal accounts are so numerous to not acknowledge, and most are not seeking anything to gain, but risking ridicule. Even if the flying objects are not alien, it shows a technology that could improve society, yet we are still sitting here in the dark ages with manipulative lies given by authorities.
Here's a comment on Alec Zeck's response to this post.
Karen Bracken
Writes Karen Bracken
Aug 25
D. Alec Zeck......I have offered a conversation between Steve Kirsch and Poornima Wagh on several occasions. He finally contacted her and then lied that she never responded to him. I explained that Dr. Wagh was currently involved in 2 major projects and if she did not respond to his email as promptly as he expects that she assured me she would contact him as soon as she had these projects tied up which would be as of August 28th. She called him 3 times already and as of today (8-25-22) Poornima has not gotten a return phone call. Now I understand Steve is out of the country but if he can sling insults because someone didn’t drop everything they were doing and respond to him then I can say the same about him. I believe Steve is hesitant to speak with her because she has done the analysis using the gold standard not mixing up a cocktail and then saying they isolated a virus. If you or anyone is interested in speaking with her just let me know. If you do not know her back story....she has a PhD in virology and a PhD in immunology (she also has a Masters in Economics and Finance). The lab she worked in was given a $1.5 million NIH grant and was asked to isolate SARS COV2. She refused at first and was convinced to participate. The samples (using the gold standard of isolation, purification and causation (using Koch’s Postulates) they found NO VIRUS. The analysis was done 2 more times with the same result. They reached out to about 100 Universities and requested they provide an analysis using the same process. 6 replied and they too found NO VIRUS. The findings were shared with the CDC on a brief 30 minute ZOOM meeting with only a small group. Then there was a 2.5 hour ZOOM with Robert Redfield and a very large number of participants. Poornima shared their results. Redfield stated that he did not care what they found they would report that they isolated the SARS COV2 or the lab would be shut down. Poornima refused to lie and of course her lab was raided by the FBI and shut down. She has been unable to work since then and no one will publish their research paper. The FBI also went to her home......she said they were very polite but basically said she needs to keep quiet. She has only recently been speaking out. She had 2 excellent interviews with Dr. Lee Merritt and she will be on a ZOOM conference out of Malaysia on Aug. 28th with Dr. Reiner Fuellmich. She also just finished an interview in which she shared the results of a international team she is working with on analyzing the ingredients in the COVID gene therapy.
I've modified the start of the article to add an explanation as to why I went down the rabbit hole and what I learned and why it is relevant.
I also pointed out that the burden is on Lanka et al. to show their hypothesis better fits the data. They can't even explain the simplest observations. (added 8/2 at 10:47am PST).
So there are now two new sections at the start that weren't in the emailed version.
Let me know what you think.
Holy crap, Steve. This discussion thread literally is the flat earth society. We are in a pandemic but it is one of mental illness, cognitive dissonance and disassociation (let's use bad science to disprove good science!). The Internet allows these birds of a feather to flock together to reinforce the alternate realities, proof of the larger dangers of our interconnected world.
Darwin - hey, his theories were probably all bunk, too, right? See flames to this post as proof lol - is hard at work sorting this out, though. Keep up your good work and if you ever lose the $1M I'll pay for our move to Mars.
Darwin was all nonsense - All theory - All Bunk.
I think the bigger issue is simply that we do not yet have clear evidence that this particle (called the covid virus) which is delivered by the spike proteins, is actually the thing causing disease. We do have much evidence showing that the spike proteins cause tissue damage. And the jabs are full of the spike proteins. Apparently people can catch the virus because the spike protein makes this possible. But we are still looking at correlation of the two, without any real evidence the payload inside of the spike protein (the virus) is the actual CAUSE.
So the red herring or strawman argument becomes whether or not the virus exists at all. This keeps people focused on something OTHER THAN the injuries the spike proteins are causing. Rather than arguing about whether the virus exists, people need to start asking whether we have any reliable evidence the virus is in fact what is causing disease. It does appear the real problem is the spike proteins. So we need to stop injecting them into people.
1- Actually, when you get into it the spike protein is a curative agent. I'm NOT talking about the garbage they put in the kill shot. I'm talking about the body's defense system. Whatever is seen of the "spike protein" is an artists depiction of what a flat black and white image in an electron micrograph may look like in 3D. Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body, as a defense against something that's not right IN the body, like an acidic pH or cellular degeneration due to electromagnetic radiation.
2- You cannot "catch" a virus. Viruses do not exist as infectious agents floating around in the air waiting to infect you. During the Spanish Flu researchers tried many ways (more than a dozen) to infect healthy people with the flu. They took snot and saliva from sick people and put it in the mouths, up their noses, in their eyes and I can't remember what all else they tried and they were unable to make even ONE person sick.
It is so strange to me that Steve Kirsch is not even suspicious that MAYBE poor health is what causes diseases. He is stuck on the idea that you can avoid disease by avoid contact with ubiquitous particles.
You are right on at least one count. Darwin's Theories are all bunk. The Science is never settled. And the best you guys can do is compare anyone who disagrees with your positions to the Flat Earthers. Ad Hominid, Appeal to Authority. What other attacks hide behind your CD and D-K minds?
Yeah imagine choosing Darwin's theory as your one banker scientific theory that only a crank could disagree with - that is, the notion that this keyboard I'm typing on now happened by accident, after some molecules in a soup bumped into each other in a specific way and then this carried on.
Agreed. Did you know that the theory of evolution is all based on one bone?
The SARSCoV2 bioweapon was intentionally made as a mild but infectious manmade virus using what Baric describes a 'no-see-ums method' . So ppl die through layers of nanobot toxicity depending on their immune system. Other than Dr Richard Fleming, here is Dr Charles B. Simone. an Internist, a Medical Oncologist, a Radiation Oncologist, and an Immunologist, with more evidence on the patented bioweapon and it's disguise using the viral genome technique.
Everything is hidden in plain sight for us to see. Ppl have a gut instinct that this is true, so no need for further argumentative distractions from holding these ppl to account. The virus is not deadly just contagious but mainly ppl with low immunity and more harmful for ppl with comorbidities and latent diseases. https://www.simonesuperenergy.com/covid-19-bioweapon/
Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body as a defense against something that's not right INSIDE the body. They are NOT infectious. Researchers during the Spanish Flu proved that viral infection does not exist. A dangerous spike protein was engineered in a lab and is used in the kill shot.
The bio-weapon is the dangerous spike protein, which is contained IN the vax. Dr. Robert Young PhD had a post where he sent out letters to dozens of medical agencies all over the world asking if they had any evidence for the existence of of SARS-CoV-2. He included full page readable screenshots of all the replies that he received. The post was HUGE, very long. Not even one confirmed isolation. Viruses are created in and only exist INSIDE the body as a repair protein against something that's not right INSIDE the body, like an acidic pH caused by electromagnetic radiation or a build-up of toxic chemicals caused from eating man's garbage, so-called "food".
Dr. Saeed Qureshi expert in medical diagnostic testing (its chemistry stupid) just squashed you. Avg people can figure this out. No billionaires or even chemistry degrees required. Step by Step logic PLUS avg people can conduct their own real control experiment and attempt to "catch the Specifit "variant" and symptoms" of any sick relative or friend that is supposedly sick with a "virus" - common cold, flu, strep, whooping cough, measles, now money pox- ive been letting "covid positive and other sick relatives cough in my face and I drink out of their glasses, hang on couch with them for hours - NOTHING- many times different people, going on 2 yrs now. and Im supposedly HIGH RISK given age and pre existing conditions. Now im waiting to touch a money pox lesion to prove that is a farce.. All illness is poisoning or nutritition deficiency. End of story. The Paradigm shift is here..
Nutrition deficiency IS cell poisoning, so all illness is cell poisoning.
Bingo! You cannot prevent diseases while maintaining poor health, no matter how many injections or pills you take. And the evidence is already in that the jabs CAUSE poor health, so.....
I found this comment from him. I wonder which "Steve" he was replying to.
Steve:
Thanks for your kind words about my article and also for asking the questions.
First, to be clear that I am not a microbiologist or virologist. I am a chemist and have worked in the pharmaceuticals area for 30+ years (as a scientist with Health Canada). I gained significant experience and expertise in critically evaluating pharmaceutical products.
Regarding the claim of virus isolation, I am saying that the experiments microbiologists/virologists perform and describe, such as virus characterization, identification, belongs to the chemistry discipline. However, the chemistry work has not been conducted accurately; hence claims made are incorrect.
There are many ways to describe and explain the inaccuracies. One of which is that of isolation of a substance, in this case, a virus. If one needs to isolate a virus, one must go through multiple steps, such as extraction, purification, identification, and structure determination, resulting in a pure sample of the virus. Nothing of this sort has been done for the virus isolation, in particular, SARS-CoV-2. Therefore, it cannot be said that the virus has been isolated and identified, or even it exists.
On the other hand, microbiologists and virologists (among others) work with a modified definition and description of the term isolation, for their purpose, as taking a swab sample (i.e., separating virus from the host). That is not a good scientific practice. Therefore, in reality, a virus never gets isolated in its true or pure form.
On the other hand, to appear scientific, the DNA/RNA sequencing is considered as a claim of “identifying” the virus in a swab sample without truly “isolating” it (we chemists call it a clean-up step). Some chemical steps using enzymes (commonly known as polymerization, again a chemistry step) are conducted, followed by taking some pictures of the soup with an electron microscope. Observing spherical bodies with spikes are considered to reflect the existence of coronavirus.
From this soup (note everything is from the soup, nothing from pure virus), DNA or RNA or its fragments are extracted to establish their sequences. There is no evidence that this DNA or RNA is from anything specific, including the virus – it is an assumption. Based on computer analysis and comparison with previously obtained “reference” sequence (usually obtained from WHO depository), which is also “isolated” in a similar manner (without isolating the virus), virus existence is established. If the sequence did not match the “reference” sequence (not a virus), it would become a new virus or new strain.
The publications, links you provided all follow the same or similar protocol as I summarized above. I have critically reviewed two such publications, one from Australia (the one you noted in your post as well), the other from the USA (CDC), where I explained: “science” behind “isolation” of the virus. Links are provided (link1, link2) please have a look.
I have been arguing for some time that nowhere I can find an isolated virus, so why people keep claiming isolated virus. My recent discussion with a microbiologist made it clear that the virus has never been isolated but misrepresented by incorrect definition of the word “isolation.” That makes it clear why I could never find the sample and specimen of the pure virus because it does not exist. One may imagine my shock after hearing this – so I wrote the article.
I hope I answered your query adequately. Otherwise, let me know. I will explain it further. I like to make another point, without going into technical details, the sequencing (chemistry) part is pretty iffy. It is well known to the people in the area that sequencing steps can produce highly unpredictable results. The PCR test, which in reality is based on sequencing, suffers this weakness. Hence one sees so many false positive or negative outcomes that make the lack of “virus existence” claim even stronger. (edited)
Wonderful comment! I totally agree. I will look up Dr. Saeed now. Thanks!
Thank you Steve for doing this! The fact that people like Fauci, CDC, FDA are never willing to engage in challenging debates with influential people of opposing views tells you a lot.
Hi Steve,
Jeff Green does not agree with you that viruses cause disease. You should check out what he believes because you might not agree.
https://dawnfrench.substack.com/p/viruses-arent-parasites
Well, Jeff should use the more correct term for these particles: Exosomes. Terrain Theory has said this for years.
I agree it is time to move on. But you keep holding the unproven position. I will leave you with these two links. one is a great analogy about dandelions and virology. The other is why Jon Rappaport dismisses your challenge. Both are an excellent read.
https://planetwavesfm.substack.com/p/dandelions-and-virology
https://jonrappoport.substack.com/p/the-steve-kirsch-debate-about-the
The John Rappoport touches on the subject of isolating the virus by concocting a "soup." This process is explained in detail in the video The End of Germ Theory, starting at 29:00.
Everybody needs to watch that video and read the articles you posted, especially Steve.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rHmg8EY3cXPD/
"In silico" is the most ridiculous scientific term ever.
Steve, the REAL issue is that there is no hard evidence these particular particles are causing disease. Correlation is not proof of CAUSE. People in poor health get sick or infected. We do know this much for sure. And it does look like this produces more of these particles we call viruses. Poor health has MANY causes, none of which pharma will examine in their attempt to prove that these particular particles are the cause of health problems.
OBVIOUSLY this smoke and mirror game is intended to sell more VACCINES.
The FACT that the vast majority of people who test positive for these particles never get any symptoms, should at least make you WONDER if they are truly the cause of anything.
This is the part where pharma has you FULLY hoodwinked. Until you accept that you MIGHT be wrong about the cause of disease, (i.e., imagine that something OTHER THAN a virus is at play) you will never recover from the spell, and your ability to get the core truth out there will remain blocked.
CERN requires a 1 in 3.5 million odds ratio before they accept that a theoretical particle is actually responsible for the reactions they are seeing. Here, we have a purportedly observable particle, a virus. But we have essentially ZERO evidence that it is in fact the CAUSE of what we are seeing (disease) and MUCH evidence showing that it is NOT the cause of the disease.
"But it MUST be what is causing the disease, because it EXISTS!" - is an obtuse position. Proving that a particle exists does not prove that it is the CAUSE of anything at all.
Show us EVIDENCE that this particle is the CAUSE of the disease or symptoms of the disease. This would end this debate. But you CANNOT do this. So you attempt to claim that the existence of this particle is ALSO evidence that it is causing disease. This is EXACTLY how pharma wants you to frame this.
We know that biological agents being adapted to be more infectious and varying degrees of toxicity all made to look like a naturally occurring 'virus' is happening. The solutions as a key to these problems were also created and patented for maximum profit. The biggest surprise for vaccine developers is how quickly it shot ppl down. Immune systems already made poorly from years of chemicals, food, water and air toxicity.
Arguing about the existence of a virus is a moot point, ppl are dying from GM biological agents created in a lab, while ppl decide on its label as a 'virus' is absurd. The likes of WIV and other global BSL4 lab operating collaboratively, like a satanic consortium, funded by Ecohealth Alliance backed by NIH are not built for tea parties. There is never any need for gain of function studies other than to create biological agents that maim and kill.
Clearly we are in need of a human-centric bioethics commission selected by the World Health Alliance.
How about just enforcing our existing rights to not have ANYBODY telling us that we must inject into our bodies? Handing over control to yet another global power does not sound like a good answer to any of this. The more local the power, the more likely it will not become corrupted. I prefer to maintain control over my own body. I will NEVER trust a global power with my health or life. Obama had a bioethics committee when he was in office. They determined that there was nothing unethical about slaughtering a child up to the age of three. They put this in PRINT. No thanks to a group deciding FOR US what is "ethical". That part is between me and God.
You make very good points about also working locally, especially getting councils back on track away from agenda 2030 and with the ppl. Constitutional lawyers fighting battles in Canada,. The lead guy wrote bill of rights in Canada fighting at age 80 the destruction of the charter by legal amendments.. I mention this bcos he even had trouble speaking at his local town council. So we have to start with ourselves, then our communities, grass level filtering back to the top as well as competing organisation globally. I took control of bodily autonomy admittedly I haven't been directly threatened just coerced. There is a bioethics committee useless as tits on a bull. We need the world alliance and world Council of Health collaborating with a bioethics committee under the Great Barrington Declaration. The actual pandemic response was overridden by WEF and the hijacked WHO. All national pandemic plans went out the window. The World Health Alliance are driven by Hippocratic Oath of first do no harm and are very much on the side of real health for the ppl. Just thought I wld clarify that. I'm sure the new organisations as a parallel alternative to WHO have their checks and balances in place.
I will always reject the idea of a powerful body controlling our health. We must work to dispossess current global and national bodies that claim power to decide what we do with our bodies. Constructing and empowering more of these entities, which will all inevitably be hijacked by evil, is not something I am interested in.
The answers are not outside of ourselves. There are no others who are more fit to decided what we do with our bodies. We must not believe that all answers lie in granting others power to fix things for us. We must fight to take charge of our own lives, and we must argue AGAINST these entities who claim to have such power over us.
A new group empowered to control the corrupted group, RATHER THAN simply affirming that NOBODY (other than ourselves) should be making personal medical decisions for us, will only lead to others having even MORE power. And we would have been the ones to hand it to them.
I am OFF of this train. There is zero chance I can be convinced that new global entities should be created and given even MORE power than the ones we are fighting to get rid of right now.
Nobody is coming to save us. We must save ourselves. In believing someone else out there, someone more powerful, smarter, (more whatever) will come to our rescue if only we give them more power, we die, and we leave our progeny with even less chance of survival.
Not trusting and being individualistic is not the answer. Yes, we need to take control and critically analyse the science. To get the true science and medical protocol that saves lives there must be a way to oversee the establishment. You, or I alone cannot pull them into gear. We cannot pretend that institutions don't exist some of what western medicine has achieved has been useful. In particular I had a virus I tried holistically to heal but it took one specific antiviral to help heal me and get me out of excruciating pain.
We need to unify with medico legal bodies that have our backs, or we forever have corruption superseding and creating pandemic orders. Takes more than one, takes all of us with doctors and scientists proving day after day their integrity. Standing with the FLCCC in the US and AMPS , Covid Medical Network in Oz etc to push the boundaries and make sure we are considered in the healthcare paradigm, that we always get informed consent when we require to use the system.
AHPRA and TGA in Oz are out of control with power. Many ppl write letters and are ignored, even MPs aware of the false narrative. Doctors, specialists and allied health whistleblowers, gradually standing up risking immediate deregistration but it has to be done and we must get behind them to shift this evil chaos.
Steve's sudden shift of opinion that viruses exist, period, end of story, flies in the face of what many of us have learned in the last few years and makes me think he's been paid off to change his tune. None of it really matters because the truth is out there, freely available to all who look for it.
He is STILL defending the idea that there was at least SOME rational reason for him to have gotten injected. There was ZERO reason to do it.
If you truly went down a rabbit hole on this subject, it would take you weeks, perhaps months and you'd need to read several thousands pages, perhaps 10s of thousands.
You're an amateur Steve. A rookie.
Dr. Michael Yeadon does an about face...says there is NO respiratory virus...https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=377024217899607
So now I expect Steve will discount and discredit Dr. Yeadon and his credentials.
I kinda doubt it, since there is no scientific evidence for its existence.
Probably. It IS the pharma way. It sells far more vaccines if people go on believing what Steve is selling, i.e., that so long as he can prove the particle EXISTS, this is ALSO evidence that this particle is responsible for disease, INSTEAD OF poor health, bad nutrition, toxins, stress, etc.
The idea that someone who tests positive for this ubiquitous particle may now attribute their health problems to the fact it exists, is what sells MORE VACCINES. I am not afraid of particles. I am afraid of the LIES growing, and being supported by so-called "truthers" who spend more time attacking people who are trying to stop this madness, than they do attacking pharma.
Agreed
Also, in the spring of 2020, Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell, at the epicenter of the NYC Covid crisis published several videos pleading for the community to understand that this is not a respiratory virus. Since then, Dr. Kyle-Sidell has been trying to make people understand that this is a vascular disease that later presents as high-altitude sickness.
Steve is still sure that this is a respiratory virus... he has gaps of knowledge that he fills by appealing to authority. He can get better at thinking critically.
Dr. Kyle-Sidell believes it's a virus because he promotes the vaxx and boosters.
The point of that particular comment I wrote is not whether Covid is caused by a virus or not. It's whether Covid is caused by is a respiratory virus or not. Steve is sure that SARS-CoV-2 is a respiratory virus. I posted Kyle-Sidell's comment as an example of the questions that are assumed to be answered but aren't.
Steve seems to think he is a better scientist than Mike Yeadon. He trusts what PHARMA has to say about this virus, and all others, and he seems unaware that he is HELPING pharma justify the continued vaccine programs. No matter how many people who have tested positive for these particles remain disease-free, Steve CHOOSES to believe that these particles (called viruses) are in fact the CAUSE of disease.
No matter how much hard evidence there is that these particles are NOT the cause of disease, Steve continues down this path. I guess he has to continue justifying getting himself vaccinated. He once said that he got himself vaccinated. Once people do this, they hang on to any theory they can to justify it.
Yep. He wants to believe there was at least SOME rational reason to let them inject him. There was not. He was fooled, if in FACT he actually took the jabs, which at this point I am leaning toward not believing he actually did. If he did, he might have been lucky and gotten only saline. 50% of the injections were just saline for the first few months after the roll out on the general public. This was done so that not EVERYONE who got jabbed would be having side effects. That would have been too obvious. And when we saw that many people who took the jabs were just fine, this was supposed to serve as evidence that the jabs must not actually be capable of causing injury.
Nice intro to this nightmare. Clever demons.
bingo
I just posted his statement above.
Keep your eye on the ball Steve and don’t get distracted by whether a virus exists or not. You have precious time to focus on the vaccine and censorship issues that go along with it,
STEVE, people are NOT arguing that these particles do not exist. We are arguing that we do NOT have proof these particular particles are IN FACT the cause of disease. POOR HEALTH appears to be what produces infections. And a consequence of infection may well be an increased excretion of certain particles. So it is the chicken before the egg game, and you are fighting on the side of PHARMA.
We STILL do not have clear evidence of cause and effect here. Remember the old pharma trope (whenever we complain that people suddenly get sick or die right after injection) that "association does NOT prove cause?"
WHY do YOU agree with, and fight for, pharma's position here?
WHY are you arguing to justify MORE of these INSANE vaccine programs, by supporting and defending the theory that we are getting sick NOT because of poor health, but INSTEAD because of whatever particle the vaccine industry tells us we need to be "vaccinated against?"
Your argument that WE must prove the NON existence of a particle, and that if we cannot, then this means PHARMA is telling the truth, is ASININE.
Stop with this FARCE of an argument. It makes you seem ignorant or maybe like you are controlled opposition.
Speak for yourself..
Im arguing that NO VIRUS has been proven to exist. EVER. And so is Dr Cowan, Kaufman, the Baileys, Lanka, etc.
In is ONLY to the extent a particle can be PROVEN to cause disease, that it can properly be classified as a virus. I have yet to see ANY evidence that any of these particles (that they are calling viruses) is actually the CAUSE of any disease. So on this we both agree. There is no such thing as a virus according the definition of a virus, which REQUIRES that it cause disease BEFORE it can be referred to as a virus.
Definition of a virus: : the causative agent of an infectious disease.
So a particle can exist, but this does NOT mean that it is a virus. And again, I have yet to see ANY clear evidence that there are ANY so-called viruses. I have seen evidence of some particles that they are trying to make us believe are the cause of disease.
This entire argument about whether this or that particle exists at all is a strawman, a red herring. The retards argue that if they can prove a particle exists, that this makes it a virus, and that the fact the particle exists, somehow ALSO proves that it causes disease and can therefore rightly be called a virus.
I am STILL waiting for a single crap of EVIDENCE that any of these particles are ACTUALLY the CAUSE of disease.
So we agree;-)
No, your definition is incorrect, and I am firm in my position.
It is NOT my definition. That definition was quoted from Webster's Dictionary. A virus, by it's very definition, is an agent that causes disease.
If a particle can be defined as a "virus" WITHOUT evidence that it DOES cause disease, then ANY particle could be defined as a virus. And this is exactly how pharma wants you to think. They do NOT want to be forced to prove that the particle they are testing for and injecting us for, is ACTUALLY the cause of disease.
Instead, they want people arguing about whether or not the particle itself exists at all. Evidence that a particle exists, is NOT evidence that the identified particle is a "virus" that causes disease. If they were to be held to the fire on THIS question, they would lose the argument. So they reframe the argument to whether or not the particle exists.
The fact that sick people test positive for this specific (and UNBIQUITOUS) particle (the only one they are testing for) is NOT evidence that this specific particle is what CAUSED them to become ill.
Good health prevents disease no matter WHAT particles you are exposed to or test positive for. Why do you think so many people who test positive for covid never have ANY symptoms of disease?
Is it possible this entire mess was intended only to convince us to get these injections? Or is this something you would never consider as a possibility? I guess you believe hundreds of $billions$ in profits could never be strong enough motive for anyone to promote a mass deception.
Hi Joy,
I'm not sure who the "they" is when you say "they want people arguing about whether or not the particle exists at all." Cowan, Kaufman, Bailey and crew? Or the globalist cabal?
Anyhow I want to acknowledge your argument that it is more important to focus on the causative aspect of this particle and not whether or not it exists. And if they did, they, virologist and propagandists, wouldn't be able to show causation.
And maybe you're right, maybe that's the better way to show the fraud of it all.
But I'd argue that the game is over even before we get to showing causation or not. Cowan, Kaufman, Bailey, and Lanka ARE saying that there are no virus particles period and don't give these images any legitimacy because the process by which they are obtained don't reflect isolation of anything. If step 1 is "Show that there is a virus particle" then virologists haven't done it. How can you even move to step 2, showing it causes a disease?
There are a lot of particles to take pictures of in these snot samples. All kinds of particles that can be captured on in an electron micrograph. Without even getting into if they cause a disease, virology can't isolate a particle because they've change the definition of "isolate" from "get it by itself" to "take some snot soup and add more stuff to it" as Dr. Saeed A. Qureshi above was explaining. This process of isolation by adding stuff causes the tissue to breakdown and now you have more particles, artifacts of the culturing process itself. So there's particles, lots of particles. That any of those particles should come from a virus is a non-sequitur.
@Steve Kirsch - SETTLING THE VIRUS DEBATE
I believe this is the answer to your quest. Would you take up this challenge?
https://drsambailey.com/resources/settling-the-virus-debate/
I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself. I've offered to debate and/or bet any of these people and they all refuse.
Liar
Bullshit.
Steve, I read your information to gain knowledge. Thank you.
In this case of virus vs no virus, I eagerly read your words expecting to find a few definitive answers. And am disappointed. In all your paragraphs crowing about your challenge (as if an unanswered challenge is proof of anything), the only actual information you've provided were links to other's journal articles.
Please understand that many of your readers are not MD's or virologists. We need help understanding which part of these complicated articles prove your point. We often see links to these types of papers in social media claiming they're PROOOF! But when we take the time read them we find that they often fail to have control groups or the control groups and ingenuous. A classic example is the CDC's reference article to the effectiveness of remdesivir. When you actually read it, it shows how dangerous the drug is.
The Nature article is written by all Chinese named authors. Any Wuhan linked authors? Any possible motivation for Chinese disinformation? Further, the source of the virus was from the Chinese wet market and was merely collected spit from sick people. All Chinese. The genome sequencing, Chinese. Everything is Chinese with this virus. The samples were centrifuged to remove cellular debris. Isn't a virus an exosome? Aren't exosomes cellular debris? From cells damaged from toxins as well as virus'? We need help connecting your dots.
Could you please make an outline of your case with a few bullet points to highlight specific page or table numbers. Then please explain at a high school level why it proves what you claim.
We are surrounded by lies and disinformation. We are looking for facts and truth to save our families. If you want to 'convert' people to your view, please show us rather than just verbally claim and post 3rd party data while insulting anyone who doubts virology.
Steve's claim to fame is thru so called dissident Chinese doctors who promoted the lab leak hypothesis. Did Steve demand absolute proof from them? Absolutely not! Why? They fit his narrative Notice he now claims that the antigen tests are proof positive yet he negates the PCR tests. Or is he now convinced PCR is accurate and measures virus exposure? Where are those antigen tests manufactured? China manufactures most if not all those antigen tests with our tax money!! You can believe Kirsch on some level but he is not any more a scientist as the rest of the people reading his material. Has Kirsch and friends studied the validity of those antigen tests which he claims are a valid method of testing for "antigens?" Doesn't he know that people tested the antigen tests on Coca Cola and some came back negative while others positive? Absolutely not. Of course, he and his panel will claim the Coke had a coronavirus in it which the tests identified.
see the executive summary I just added to. I can't make it any simpler.
Thank you for responding, Steve. I didn't expect you to and appreciate that you noticed and that you care.
What we have is a complete loss of trust by many people in all aspects of modern medicine and the lab sciences which back it up. Many people are (understandably) deeply suspicious of anyone or any entity tied into covid and the vaccines. It can create an overly negative response to anything pharmaceutical and certainly anything viral. The key to not falling into the 'throw everything out' reaction is a thorough understanding of the basic fundamentals of scientific method and which parts of medical science are still trustworthy.
How can one test be trusted yet another can't? When is PCR a valid and informative tool and when is it abused to give false positives? The details of the test equipment used and the settings employed on the equipment matter. The research articles list it but most of us don't know what is important and what isn't. You have the education and experience to make these judgement calls. Most of the rest of us don't. Our technical ignorance leaves a disconnect and we haven't yet found a bridge to return to trust. An added complication is the problem of intentional disinformation backed by big money with slick marketing.
Please don't take it personally that many don't agree with you or trust you. Just keep plowing ahead presenting information. Keep showing us why you think it is trustworthy. Keep showing us which parts of the system are still useful tools for finding facts and helping humanity.
I don't follow personalities. I follow patterns in the data. When you and other doctors and virologists have presented enough data to create a trend; most people who are honestly seeking facts will see it too.
Thank you again. God bless.
He shouldn't be betting—that sets him up for losing. Who likes to lose? He should look at the issue with curiosity. He says he does, but betting on it puts him in the position of "I know I'm right."
Yawn... 🥱
you need to read what I wrote in the article.
I think you mean we need to agree with what you wrote.
no, i mean you have to read what i wrote which explains it.
THey already have the money to get started but they refuse our offers.
how many times do i have to repeat myself?
The other day, a Pharma-whore politician came to the door and asked for my vote in the upcoming election. We talked about political polarity, particularly in reference to the whole COVID mess. He stated that there was so much misinformation that I should pick just one person, like my drug monkey allopath, for all my advice on such a complex and befuddled subject. He himself chose to listen to a state-appointed bureaucrat.
There are at least a dozen people I trust on finding the truth on COVID, including Tom Cowan. I don't need "just one person" (sort of like the Pope of Science, I guess) to figure stuff out for me, yourself included. If I'm ever on the fence for who to believe, my simple credo is "don't believe in the benevolence of billionaires."
Tom's main argument is largely philosophical, and it gets pretty deep in the weeds for some people because of the inadequacies of language, which rarely conveys the same meaning to all people.
These guys are asking important questions, and have been seeking to engage in scientific dialog to see if it is possible to find the truth. If you don't have the discipline to open mindedly participate in such a dialog you should move on to topics that better suit your personality.
I've moved on. Tom Cowan is a joke.
Ad hominem. Steve, you’re losing people with this nonsense. Just focus on stopping the injections - it is a fight you are certainly voicing loudly and many appreciate your efforts. But calling Cowan a joke is ridiculous.
Have you bothered to study radiation poisoning and the symptoms? Most symptoms are the same we have seen the past couple of years.
Tom Cowan has more wisdom in his morning stool than you'll ever gather in your entire life, Steve.
In the end all you have is ad hominem. Oh and millions of donations to your trust f..... errr I mean Foundation!
It could be fair to accept either hypothesis. One being such a hypothesis that contagion & infection spreads around to people who become around one another all together exposed to the same environment which is exposed to whatever toxins that poison a host causing cell disruption & destruction as affected cells change into these “things” being construed as “viruses” which is asserted by not just Dr. Cowan, but many others concurring the same. Or accept the popular 2 century old allopathic hypothesis of an invading pathogen causing cell disruption and destruction.
End of the day, despite anyones feelings about Dr. Thomas Cowan, he is NOT the only one, at least of all whom I have ever mentioned, which are many others with zero incentive except to do as all other truth seeking true science advocates wish to do, as Dr. Cowan, to expose false narratives being one of many who assert the fraudulence of “viruses” as such has been taught being the actual causation of illness/disease due to being some outsourced “invading” pathogen.
And, one of many who assert that illness & disease actually occurs, yes, from outside the infected host, except by environmental toxicity which poisons a host/organism that inhaled, ingests or comes in contact with the toxin resulting in a host’s/organism’s cells to become necrotic and that which is seen of a cell’s metamorphic destruction, as the result of cells being poisoned is what had been back in the 20th century and what still is deemed being “isolated” and claimed to be seen under electron microscopy as being the “viruses” which ORIGINATE from within
Really? So, have you already invited him on your show podcast and he’s declined as so many others you’ve said declined? Would you invite him? It’d be an intriguing & enlightening conversation between you two.
really. he won't even respond to my emails. none of them will.
Why should they? They know you're a fraud.
Well written.
Exactly. This should be obvious to anyone who claims to be a scientist. Good post.
It's good to hear that you've moved on, as it implies that you are listening and possibly learning. But publicly disparaging a person of Tom Cowan's caliber is completely uncalled for. You might want to edit your comment, as you'll get more respect by showing respect.
he deserves to be public shamed. I don't respect anyone who misleads people and won't be held accountable. Has he ever admitted he was wrong on 5G causing COVID?
Evidence for a connection between coronavirus disease-19 and exposure to radiofrequency radiation from wireless communications including 5G
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34778597/
Have you ever admitted that you were wrong on a virus causing COVID? You deserve to be publicly shamed.
Was he wrong? Are you sure? Have you done the research yourself?
I have. And it is posted right here in Substack land.
https://Sharilynn.substack.com/p/what-is-causing-the-symptoms-of-covid
Is that sub-6GHz or true, >/= 28 GHz 5G? Absurd.
Since when do ad hominem attacks achieve anything but polarization and division? They have no place in critical thinking. I've pretty sure I've read all but one of Tom's books (unless he snuck another one out while I wasn't looking). I've never gotten the impression that he had intentionally misled anyone. I don't know if I agree with 100% of his thoughts, but his unconventional (and in my opinion, spot-on) views on how the heart works very likely saved my life. The cardiologist I saw (who out of respect I won't name) was a joke.
what does that have to do with whether a virus exists?
Is that your subconscious speaking there, Steve 🤣 ?
I heard someone refer to the latest virus as moneypox today. Seems about right.
Terrain theory says it is the health of the host that determines health or sickness levels; germ theory says it is some scary external pathogenic threat.
Viruses and health are directly correlated as even proven by the scam that was the plandemic. The CDC’s own study dated July 1, 2021 shows you that the highest risk factors for death were obesity (#1) and fear and anxiety disorders (#2, people who were LITERALLY scared to death by the evil that permeates the world today, these same fear and anxiety based people are still wearing masks outside, riding alone in their cars, etc. and highly vaccinated).
Of course all those diagnoses were made with a PCR diagnostic that was not subsequently cell cultured in human (not vero) cell lines.
https://cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
the person who uses science as a basis for his arguments.
And the evidence of that is....?
Disturbing only because he speaks 99% of what you advocate regarding “vaccines” and the dangers, particularly THIS COVID-19 “vaccine.
The way I see the article is that Steve Kirsch is not demanding that you believe him personally and in fact says in the article that few on that side will. He lays out the facts as he explains his own journey to understand the "virus doesn't exist" people . Hopefully "virus don't exist" people will then see where he's at and not waste their time writing long essays to him.
He's trying to help them not waste their own time. He can only do so much, though.
i have 0 respect for you too.
You don't even have a name!
why don't you propose this as a $200K bet and win some money?
I'm glad I made you happy.
Brilliant!! Fantastic article
That's what I was going to say!
Here is one question: Why is nobody able to buy/sell a standard of > 99% purified SARS-Cov-2 virus to use for standardisation of measurements like you buy other chemicals for standardisation of measurements?
If you can take see it under the microscope you should be able to purify it in larger quantities and test it out, and answer questions like what quantities cause illness? Or questions like what is the quality of the PCR tests?
And if you have the correct RNA sequence you should be able to produce it, shouldn't you?
Who can produce it in the world and in what quantities and how pure?
I have not found a better explanation than the virus theory, but I find the science is standing on weak grounds if it can not answer basic questions and come up with clear standardisation. Terms like isolated seem to be used in a very strange and unclear way.
You have the money Steve, ask how much of 99% pure SARS-CoV-2 virus you can buy for 1 million dollrs so we can establish the price for one gram of the purified virus 😀
I've sent in a request to ATCC for a quote on purified SARS-CoV-2.
Have you? Why not?
We have sequenced the whole human genome. So why can't we produce human clones?
What is the point of producing purified virus anyway? That's like packing rats into a barrel and selling "purified rat". When you unpack them, they are no longer viable or remotely useful except perhaps for feeding snakes (Paging Dr. Ardis!).
OK, yes, you could freeze them (virus particles). Then you need a careful protocol to thaw them out, separate, and re-suspend them so they can go to work.
Or you could collect them from some infected person and culture them. Then they are fresh. This is the approach most experimenters would take.
purified viruses are need for Tom Cowan followers who wouldn't buy them anyway. That's why they aren't produced.
there is no demand for this product. If there was, ATCC would offer it.
How many products have you bought from ATCC?
It’s not all that stable. Analogous question to ask: why can’t I buy a bottle full of neutrons?
However, you can buy FROZEN purified viruses from ATCC
Steve, I hope you get to watch the video circulating around called The End of Germ Theory. It explains that "purified" and "isolated" viruses have nothing to do with purification and isolation. I would love for you to watch it and then ask your virologist friends if it's true that in order to isolate and purify a virus, scientists have to mix, say, human sputum with monkey kidney cell culture, bovine serum, antibiotics, and other substances, then add time and heat. I am genuinely curious to hear if this is true or not.
Is it true that the only viruses that have been observed and photographed are the ones that have been revealed through such a process? Please ask them. And please watch the documentary. It's two-and-a-half-hours long.
Even human ones? Isn't it illegal for most fascilities?
Oh. I must have misread it. It says "Purified viruses" right on their home page.
Do you have difficulty reading English?
Ask them how they purified the virus, and report back.
It is too heavy... :-)
You _can_ buy a bottle full of neutrons. Neutrons are in almost everything. Just not purified and isolated.
You can't buy isolated and purified electrons, either.
Well, if you can't purify and isolate neutrons or electrons, do they even exist? ;^)
No one has ever seen either one.
SARS-COV-2 isn't a chemical. mRNA standards can be purchased for PCR use.
DNA and RNA and all subtypes of RNA are chemicals. They are organic molecules. What do you mean by "a chemical"?
SARS-COV-2 isn't a chemical--it's a virus. Viruses are made up of various chemicals, including nucleic acids, proteins, and lipids, organized to be infectious.
I can think about one reason: Legally it is a bio weapon. There are some legal obstacles in selling a biological weapon.
So its classified because it would threaten national security? What a load of Bovine Excrement....
You have to have a bioweapons level 3 lab to be able to handle covid virus. And having a lab like that in the US is illegal, so it is outsourced to Wuhan.
Try to understand who does what and why.
You are correct, but the whole BSL may be theater too.
Look how bad is the contamination in Wuhan. Perfect cover story. They put a potemkin lab to make the obvious seem unbelieveable.
I think that it's likely that covid was released deliberately and that the CDC and China worked together on it because there are so many people in the US backing China and relying on China, so they hated Trump and wanted to stop him and make Trump look impotent and foolish. Trump is ignorant about medical things and a germophobe, so that was the avenue of attack.
Event 201 was just too convenient as a playbook for this not to have been deliberate. If you look at the participants in Event 201, they are mostly major players and non-medical.
Oh I "understand" completely...everything they did was ILLEGAL in the US and they used Fed money to fund it...a sad bag of murderous criminals. Moot subject.
Then why did you ask why you can't buy SARS-COV-2?
I don’t think he is saying that, but yes, there are laws, and yes, Fauci and his cronies could turn things around to prosecute.
I was being more than a bit facetous.. but does Fauci have the standing to prosecute? I think not. But he would be fool if he chose to do so (unless a rigged jury or judge), I would love to be in the room during discovery. His name is all over this one. Illegally funded, Illegally researched, etc. etc. A counter suit would probably nip that one in the bud.
https://librti.com/view-video/uninformed-consent#dpr
No one was held responsible for 9/11.
Yes, you can. Fear and the world wide macabre theather is a BIOWEAPON!
I have been questioning whether the A-bomb were always a lie. If so, then we could call those make believe weapons a very profitable lie in terms of power grab. But maybe they are real, and the Fench just made the world believe they were contaminating the Pacific Ocean because they are idiots.
KEY words - 'using THEM'.....there has been produced ZERO proof that any such ABSOLUTELY utilized a SPECIFIC substance, material the nature of which is LITTLE understood by conventionalists (but behavioral CLUES as to its nature, COULDN'T be MORE available.....)
Which still anyway does not change the fact, one may go to jail for selling it.
I know. It is so obvious that it is truly hilarious. Great research! Thank you.
cellular debris takes a form… this is it at 1/millionth of a meter
You havent proof anything on your texts. Theres no correlation what they are saying. You are making misinformerd vclaims what and how they explain everything. Thats not Even possible to isolate something as particle which is not particle. Only diagnostic thing in The particle, not The particle. Its tissue produktion problem not Any virus. I just beat you badly.
A closed mind is bad.
One should keep an open mind on everything as new information comes along.
One can see "something" under a microscope and its a "virus" we're told but whats it made up off?
THE END OF GERM THEORY
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ch8v4TVL9yq0/
Little is as it seems or as we have been told.
You are clearly triggered by this concept. Your blogs on this are full of poorly structured arguments. And the way in which you try to do a "devastating takedown" on their credibility reminds me of stuff that was going on inside NIH. If you really wanted to debate these guys, you would research their exact arguments with an open mind and explain why you think there is sufficient proof, how it is sufficient (beyond "we've believed this for 100 years). Just do the work Steve. I don't want to be suspicious of your agenda. The responsibility is not for them to prove a new hypothesis, though try they might, it's just to say, the existing scientific proof is insufficient. More data is needed.
All it takes is for a person to watch THE END OF GERM THEORY from Steve Falkner of Spacebusters. Plain Simple English and graphics.
It seems crystal clear to me as a totally unvaxxed person EVER who is NEVER SICK, never get a cold or flu or anything, Eat real food and no toxins = Complete health.
Why would we debate when you refuse to answer the question, "Is it a virus at all?" with actual, scientifically valid evidence?
Large viruses exist,but they are not
Pathogenic in nature.
The mice study paper says it has fulfilled Koch’s postulates, but, as is always the case, they have not:
Here are Koch’s postulates:
Steps required to establish a microorganism as the cause of a disease:
(K1) it must be found in all cases of the disease;
(K2) it must be isolated from the host and grown in pure culture;
(K3) it must reproduce the original disease when introduced into a susceptible host;
(K4) it must be found present in the experimental host so infected.
Here is why they didn't fulfill the postulates:
K1) All they did was weigh the mice that had the hACE2 receptors. Some lost weight. They conclude, therefore, that a virus made them sick. But no one looked for a virus or even Covid-like symptoms in the mice. Maybe the hACE2 mice were sick because they were genetically modified.
K2) The HB-01 cell culture was not described. Who knows what kind of toxic crap was in it. No doubt it was not a “pure culture” of virus. Typically there is a toxic soup of chemicals that includes and ant-biotic.
K3) Why didn’t every mice exposed to the HB-01 strain get sick, the hACE2 mice and the wild mice? According to K3 they should all get sick.
K4) No one looked for the pathogen in the mice with the weight loss.
So none of the postulates were fulfilled.
The best conclusion that I would draw from this small-sample experiment is that genetically modified mice are not as healthy as wild type mice.
referring to the paper
The pathogenicity of SARS-CoV-2 in hACE2 transgenic mice
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2312-y
claiming to have fulfilled Koch's postulates
It's not that a 'particle' that we call a virus doesn't exist...the real question is...what exactly is it? We inject exosomes from mesenchymal stem cells into joints in my office. Cells communicate between each other and with each other via exosomes (liposomal encapsulated proteins). Cells also off-load their garbage (metabolic protein and genetic junk) via exosomes. When the body is slammed with a stress (whether it be radiation, EMF, bacterial/parasite infections, emotional trauma causing shock, etc. the cells will may be off-loading their damaged materials and breakdown substances (taking out the trash) and they will do this via endothelium reticulum (remember 8th grade biology) via liposomal encapsulation to easily eject the stuff through the cell membrane and out. This is a viable possible explanation for what a 'virus' is. The science isn't set. We may be able to 'see' something...but what is 'it' and how does 'it' affect us really is the unanswered question.
If you're making the claim...you need to provide the proof. You have none. Nobody does. Do you even understand the basics of root cause determination via basic problem solving methodoligies? If you provided your position as proof in a high tech setting...you'd get laughed out of the room....and I'd be embarrassed to be your manager.
Both sides are doing a lot of talking past each other's points in my opinion. There is a middle ground.
The book Virus Mania actually doesn't deny the existence of viruses per se, but mainly the newer ones - RNA and retrovirii in particular only have indirect 'proofs' of their existence. Cowan's objections re authenticity of electron micrographs of coronaviruses, specifically, have not been rebutted convincingly imo.
Stefan Lanka himself claims to have isolated (in the proper sense of the word) 'giant viruses' in starfish. The other interesting part of this is that he found said giant virii in the starfish who were ***HEALTHIER***.
The idea that microbes & shmiruses are pathogenic by nature will need to be revised big-time, I suspect.
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BTW, I'm still waiting for the scientific study that DIRECTLY shows - in the 'ground truth' sense - the presence of fully intact "respiratory virus" virions in the breath or saliva of an "infected" person. If it's SOOOO FRICKING CONTAGIOUS, then why have virions in breath or even saliva NEVER EVER BEEN SHOWN? Why does it always have to be PCR?
I suspect 'biological field' explanations in the spirit of Sheldrake (his aren't even the first or most comprehensive outlines of such ideas, but merely the least incompatible with 'mainstream' thinking) are going to bear fruit going forward, as hard as it may be for the orthodoxy to accept (much like germ theory was very difficult for miasmists to accept). Montagnier's 'water memory' experiments seem to point to similar directions of understanding.
I think a lot of anti-Establishment types like the "no virus" theory because it simply makes believers reject Medical authority automatically, which I admit would have been great in 2020.
Not to argue with you or anyone else, but UFOs exist because people have taken pictures of them and I have even seen movie clips of UFOs taken in South America and other countries where the craft are flying slowly and low over city buildings and between buildings, then suddenly moving away very quickly. Then there are the radar images of craft flying at incredible speeds. Finally there is the clip of one of our UFO triangular ships, the TR-3B that does the same things the UFOs do. There is a clip of a TR-3B hovering in the sky as it powers up and then is suddenly gone. When it was slowed to individual frames in the space of one frame it is in one frame and in the next frame it has moved so quickly that all that was recorded was a slash of light on the frame. The TR-3B is supposed to have a reversed engineered alien propulsion system that uses a nuclear reactor. Then there is the Alien Reproduction Vehicle that a number of credible people have seen in operation.
I don't know if you remember this but back in 1949 or 1950 there was the report of three saucers over Washington, DC. Hundreds of people saw them and it was reported in the newspapers. It seems to have been scrubbed from our consciousness. I remember it because my father told me about it and produced an article and pictures from the New York Times newspaper.
I agree. The personal accounts are so numerous to not acknowledge, and most are not seeking anything to gain, but risking ridicule. Even if the flying objects are not alien, it shows a technology that could improve society, yet we are still sitting here in the dark ages with manipulative lies given by authorities.
This is all so much vanity.
The West is facing destruction, and intelligent people are pouring vast amounts of time and energy into tertiary squabbles.
There’s a war on.
And we see a laser-focus on this crap.
Looks like enemy action to me.
Here's a comment on Alec Zeck's response to this post.
Karen Bracken
Writes Karen Bracken
Aug 25
D. Alec Zeck......I have offered a conversation between Steve Kirsch and Poornima Wagh on several occasions. He finally contacted her and then lied that she never responded to him. I explained that Dr. Wagh was currently involved in 2 major projects and if she did not respond to his email as promptly as he expects that she assured me she would contact him as soon as she had these projects tied up which would be as of August 28th. She called him 3 times already and as of today (8-25-22) Poornima has not gotten a return phone call. Now I understand Steve is out of the country but if he can sling insults because someone didn’t drop everything they were doing and respond to him then I can say the same about him. I believe Steve is hesitant to speak with her because she has done the analysis using the gold standard not mixing up a cocktail and then saying they isolated a virus. If you or anyone is interested in speaking with her just let me know. If you do not know her back story....she has a PhD in virology and a PhD in immunology (she also has a Masters in Economics and Finance). The lab she worked in was given a $1.5 million NIH grant and was asked to isolate SARS COV2. She refused at first and was convinced to participate. The samples (using the gold standard of isolation, purification and causation (using Koch’s Postulates) they found NO VIRUS. The analysis was done 2 more times with the same result. They reached out to about 100 Universities and requested they provide an analysis using the same process. 6 replied and they too found NO VIRUS. The findings were shared with the CDC on a brief 30 minute ZOOM meeting with only a small group. Then there was a 2.5 hour ZOOM with Robert Redfield and a very large number of participants. Poornima shared their results. Redfield stated that he did not care what they found they would report that they isolated the SARS COV2 or the lab would be shut down. Poornima refused to lie and of course her lab was raided by the FBI and shut down. She has been unable to work since then and no one will publish their research paper. The FBI also went to her home......she said they were very polite but basically said she needs to keep quiet. She has only recently been speaking out. She had 2 excellent interviews with Dr. Lee Merritt and she will be on a ZOOM conference out of Malaysia on Aug. 28th with Dr. Reiner Fuellmich. She also just finished an interview in which she shared the results of a international team she is working with on analyzing the ingredients in the COVID gene therapy.
Ebola is a cool "virus", it turns out!
https://jonlieffmd.com/blog/the-very-intelligent-ebola-virus-takes-front-and-center : "The Very Intelligent Ebola Virus Takes Front and Center".
An intelligent virus, instead of a semi-dead object? Doesn't this stretch the notion of a virus a bit?