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Would I have been better off dealing with Sean by letting him finish every time he interrupts me and acting as calm and polite as possible? Would love to get opinions on best way to handle similar situations…

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Dec 11, 2022·edited Dec 12, 2022Pinned

Spending time debating these people on Twitter caused me to notice one major thing about the pro-vax side: they lack curiosity. It's actually stupefying how little curiosity they have.

They generally treat responding to "anti-vaxxer" claims like some sort of video game quest, where they check off boxes/tasks as "completed"

Remember: they think "anti-vaxxers" are part of some massive financial conspiracy -- we're all getting paid for this apparently (LOL!)

They tend to quickly glance over a claim/source, nearly always focusing on the author. If one does not exist, they will complain about it, demand a source, some "expert" verification of the facts. If the source exists and it is an "anti-vaxxer" they will be denounced immediately as a "conspiracy theorist" that is peddling lies for profit (or just some vague general evil motive) and therefore all of his/her claims can be rejected as "disinformation" or whatever. There will be a mainstream source - CDC, Wikipedia, "Fact checker" websites, etc they can cite as proof for this.

If they don't go for this ad hominem attack, they will just look up the claim and find some mainstream source that says "no, the vax doesn't do that; safe and effective!" and it all ends there. Your sources will never be as authoritative as theirs. If the "debunking" source that they cite is no longer up-to-date (say, you post a new study that hasn't yet been "fact checked") they will just change the subject.

These people don't care about the truth; really, they aren't even all that capable of understanding the concept of truth. They pretend as if truth is defined by democracy (mob rule) - if the majority of "experts" say the shots are safe & effective, then it must be so! Remember: any contrary information can just be part of some anti-vaxxer conspiracy.

They also just decide to blame everything on the virus itself. They also always pretend as if the "vaccines" are some sort of alternative to the virus. No, the shots are a choice, the virus is not. Apart from being a complete shut-in or always wearing a hazmat suit, you can't just avoid germs forever. The shots don't prevent anyone from getting exposed to the virus! And the spike proteins are the major cause of damage, so taking a shot is just causing an unnecessary extra dose of them.

I never fell for the "vaccines" and never got them. But I have been distrustful of the mass media for over 10 years. What really did it was whenever they had some expert on talking about the virus, they would always remind people to take the shots... but never remind them to keep their diet in check, their sleep schedules, their vitamin D, C, zinc, etc. It was almost like they were trying to make it seem like the immune system couldn't be improved in any way except through the jabs. Obviously that's false even if we accept that these shots are "safe and effective" -- having a stronger immune system is always a good thing!

These people will not change their minds unless one of two things happens:

1. They can be convinced into believing that their position is no longer "consensus" (this might be possible, but only in the long term)

2. Family / close friend[s] / they themselves suffer a very serious adverse reaction the the shots

I really just don't see any other options. You could write a 10,000 page book full of flawless arguments, studies, and experiments proving beyond all doubt that the jabs are unsafe. If Wikipedia, the mainstream media, the official "Fact checkers" and so on deem that book to be "mis/dis-information" or "conspiracy theories" then they will reject it all outright.

This is just a natural human trait. It's not even necessarily a bad trait, it is very adaptive for social animals. It just becomes a serious problem in a society when we lack responsible leadership.

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I'm hopelessly late to this party, but for what it's worth Plunket has form for disgusting disrespect of guests. So much so the broadcasting standards authority are quite familiar with him:

https://www.bsa.govt.nz/decisions/all-decisions/tualamalii-and-whittaker/

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I just started watching Jordan Peterson's interview with Matt Ridley on Youtube (early December 2022): "Viral: The Origin of Covid 19: #310. Steve, to the question, show us who has 'come out', among the conspirators...you could cite the paper leaked from DARPA (see from 26.50 mins. onwards of an almost two hour long interview) which admittedly doesn't tell us who leaked it but shows us that Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance not only knew all about the "Furin cleavage site," the very thing which makes this Sars virus different to others, but that he applied for funding to engineer it into Sars viruses... The DARPA Report was called 'Project DEFUSE.' It should come up on Google but if it doesn't, let me know and I could post it here.

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Hi Steve, I'm a human rights philosopher from New Zealand subscribed to your substack. I sat through the whole painful '(non-)interview'..!! I'd like to apologize to you sincerely on behalf of all New Zealanders who, emphatically, do not think as Sean does! He's a reactionary product, unfortunately, of the older generation that went through an authoritarian education system, a system that was abandoned 15 years ago with the outlawing of corporal punishment. "Respect for authority," however, is something that still lingers culturally. Embarrassing as it is whenever we encounter it, we cringe when we hear that obnoxious and obstreperous voice. But we know that it is the sound of ignorance and desperation in the face of a globally propagated and globally heightened fear campaign. In short, you were talking to someone who has never had any training in the basics of a proper rational debate. Ad hominem..? Indeed..! And ignorance thereof.

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Liking Ron DeSantos in Florida..think id like to live there!A man talking old school language!

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Um, herd immunity is a very real thing. The evidence is that after awhile, an epidemic doesn't infect so many people because herd immunity is working, i.e. when an entire group is immune due to so many individuals in a group are immune so that diseases can't enter and spread; it is when not enough individuals can catch it to maintain the epidemic. It does NOT come from vaccines.

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Hi Baldmichael - I didn't say vax is required for lobotomy. I said the vax destroys prefrontal cortex, like a lobotomy, which it basically is. But there are other ways to do a lobotomy, such as with a knife which is how they did it originally. I was a therapist for many yrs, had to learn about such things.

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It was so obvious in how he continuously attacked you that he is embarrassed he isn't as intelligent as you. Bless you for your tolerance and bearing it out Steve. It showed your strength of character, compared to his lack of it.

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The comments by his/their? followers say it all. They were universally appalled by his/their behavior. It was a big win for Steve.

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From the book of Proverbs:

A truthful witness saves lives,

But one who declares lies is [i]deceitful.

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Mr. Plunket made reference to only listening to authority.

Here we listen to a speech in the British House of Commons

https://youtu.be/-MSKzoI72eU

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We would love you to keep pressing our media, so-called scientists and Govt in NZ to have this discussion with you. What a shame Sean is all teeth, no trousers.

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Steve, I still wish I could debate and prove you wrong about the covid jabs. Would love to win that million dollars. No one is taking you up on your offer because they'll lose the debate, since lies is all they have on their side. I suspect too that these people knew all along that covid and the jabs were additional vehicles being used to justify ushering in the great reset, which will actually equal the great tribulation at the end of the day.

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I am glad your story had a good ending - so sad to know many others did not. Always remember, you cannot love God and money - you will worship one and hate the other. That, I believe, is what we are seeing in the world today. People have chosen their god - and it's money.

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Steve - you should have called him out for his personal attacks and gone on the offensive. You can't be a doormat to bullies like that!

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