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Would I have been better off dealing with Sean by letting him finish every time he interrupts me and acting as calm and polite as possible? Would love to get opinions on best way to handle similar situations…

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Spending time debating these people on Twitter caused me to notice one major thing about the pro-vax side: they lack curiosity. It's actually stupefying how little curiosity they have.

They generally treat responding to "anti-vaxxer" claims like some sort of video game quest, where they check off boxes/tasks as "completed"

Remember: they think "anti-vaxxers" are part of some massive financial conspiracy -- we're all getting paid for this apparently (LOL!)

They tend to quickly glance over a claim/source, nearly always focusing on the author. If one does not exist, they will complain about it, demand a source, some "expert" verification of the facts. If the source exists and it is an "anti-vaxxer" they will be denounced immediately as a "conspiracy theorist" that is peddling lies for profit (or just some vague general evil motive) and therefore all of his/her claims can be rejected as "disinformation" or whatever. There will be a mainstream source - CDC, Wikipedia, "Fact checker" websites, etc they can cite as proof for this.

If they don't go for this ad hominem attack, they will just look up the claim and find some mainstream source that says "no, the vax doesn't do that; safe and effective!" and it all ends there. Your sources will never be as authoritative as theirs. If the "debunking" source that they cite is no longer up-to-date (say, you post a new study that hasn't yet been "fact checked") they will just change the subject.

These people don't care about the truth; really, they aren't even all that capable of understanding the concept of truth. They pretend as if truth is defined by democracy (mob rule) - if the majority of "experts" say the shots are safe & effective, then it must be so! Remember: any contrary information can just be part of some anti-vaxxer conspiracy.

They also just decide to blame everything on the virus itself. They also always pretend as if the "vaccines" are some sort of alternative to the virus. No, the shots are a choice, the virus is not. Apart from being a complete shut-in or always wearing a hazmat suit, you can't just avoid germs forever. The shots don't prevent anyone from getting exposed to the virus! And the spike proteins are the major cause of damage, so taking a shot is just causing an unnecessary extra dose of them.

I never fell for the "vaccines" and never got them. But I have been distrustful of the mass media for over 10 years. What really did it was whenever they had some expert on talking about the virus, they would always remind people to take the shots... but never remind them to keep their diet in check, their sleep schedules, their vitamin D, C, zinc, etc. It was almost like they were trying to make it seem like the immune system couldn't be improved in any way except through the jabs. Obviously that's false even if we accept that these shots are "safe and effective" -- having a stronger immune system is always a good thing!

These people will not change their minds unless one of two things happens:

1. They can be convinced into believing that their position is no longer "consensus" (this might be possible, but only in the long term)

2. Family / close friend[s] / they themselves suffer a very serious adverse reaction the the shots

I really just don't see any other options. You could write a 10,000 page book full of flawless arguments, studies, and experiments proving beyond all doubt that the jabs are unsafe. If Wikipedia, the mainstream media, the official "Fact checkers" and so on deem that book to be "mis/dis-information" or "conspiracy theories" then they will reject it all outright.

This is just a natural human trait. It's not even necessarily a bad trait, it is very adaptive for social animals. It just becomes a serious problem in a society when we lack responsible leadership.

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