Dr Nice is correct- anecdotes SHOULD be a starting place, just like VAERS SHOULD show warning signals. but if you discount all anecdotes and you never bother to look in VAERS to see if there are safety signals, you never get to hypothesis building.
meanwhile, us common folk who maybe can't wait years for the double blind RCT funded by the…
Dr Nice is correct- anecdotes SHOULD be a starting place, just like VAERS SHOULD show warning signals. but if you discount all anecdotes and you never bother to look in VAERS to see if there are safety signals, you never get to hypothesis building.
meanwhile, us common folk who maybe can't wait years for the double blind RCT funded by the drug company will have to rely on anecdotes as our ancestors did. that's what kept them alive- observing and recording what happened around them. how else did they learn what mushrooms were good to eat and which ones would kill them? anecdotes. how did italian grandmothers know to cook tomatoes with olive oil without RCTs to tell them about lycopene? taste, which is a shared cultural anecdote. how did your mother know to feed you homemade chicken soup when you were ailing? anecdotes, stories, wisdom passed down from her mother.
the people who poo-poo anecdotes are too stupid to learn from living in the real world. not all knowledge comes from a lab. maybe someday THE SCIENCE will discover that IVM was indeed effective for covid, all other viral diseases and cancer but we'll all be dead by then. until that glorious day when science catches up with what you always knew to be true, we can rely on anecdotes.
or perhaps, to put a more sinister spin on things, the people who poo-poo anecdotes want us to be helpless and to rely on them utterly .
Amen to this. The scientist-gatekeepers are all about dismissing anecdotal evidence out of hand because they are only interested in propping up a failing science paradigm. The "gold standard" RCTs they are so in love with have so regularly been manipulated in the way they are set up, run, analysed, and reported to almost be of no value whatsoever, and even dangerous (e.g. the COVID shots that have, and continue to, injure, maim and kill people).
"Dr Nice is correct -- anecdotes SHOULD be a starting place, just like VAERS SHOULD show warning signals. but if you discount all anecdotes and you never bother to look in VAERS to see if there are safety signals, you never get to hypothesis building."
I learned in statistics (part of analytical chemistry), "infinity" is any number (nuances properly considered) larger than 30. Tell that to the (unnuanced) "correlation is not causation" people.
in feb 2020, i broke my hip and my heel while riding my bike, ironically, to a strength training class. no one- not the EMS guys who brought me to the hospital, not the surgeon who screwed my hip back together, not medicare, nor the driver's insurance company, which had- let's face it- motive to avoid paying the bill, tried to use the old "correlation is not causation" trick. no one said " it was a temporal association: the car just happened to hit you and throw you 10 ft from your bike at the exact moment when your hip and heel decided to break by chance." no one suggested that it was a coincidence or tried to tell me that my "injuries" were all in my head and that i needed some anti-anxiety medication and a few sessions with a shrink. no one brought up climate change or excessive gardening as possible explanations. no one thought it too mysterious to ever know the cause. no one said it might be genetic.
all of these suggestions would have been thought of as ridiculous, insensitive, completely bogus and maybe even grounds for legal malpractice action had anyone tried to gaslight me in such a manner. but if i had been "hit" by a vaccine, instead of a car, i would have been treated completely differently. i would have been totally responsible for my hospital bill and what's worse, no one would listen to me.
vaccines are the 3rd rail of medicine and public health.
Chinese/Circassian variolation done properly (however they did it) and milking cows with cowpox may have worked, but Western variolation and vaccination since then do not seem very safe nor effective. (Disneyland SPREAD vaccine-strain measles! Why did it admit the recently vaccinated?) Even worse than calomel, which may at times have been justified when no better alternatives were available.
Dr Nice is correct- anecdotes SHOULD be a starting place, just like VAERS SHOULD show warning signals. but if you discount all anecdotes and you never bother to look in VAERS to see if there are safety signals, you never get to hypothesis building.
meanwhile, us common folk who maybe can't wait years for the double blind RCT funded by the drug company will have to rely on anecdotes as our ancestors did. that's what kept them alive- observing and recording what happened around them. how else did they learn what mushrooms were good to eat and which ones would kill them? anecdotes. how did italian grandmothers know to cook tomatoes with olive oil without RCTs to tell them about lycopene? taste, which is a shared cultural anecdote. how did your mother know to feed you homemade chicken soup when you were ailing? anecdotes, stories, wisdom passed down from her mother.
the people who poo-poo anecdotes are too stupid to learn from living in the real world. not all knowledge comes from a lab. maybe someday THE SCIENCE will discover that IVM was indeed effective for covid, all other viral diseases and cancer but we'll all be dead by then. until that glorious day when science catches up with what you always knew to be true, we can rely on anecdotes.
or perhaps, to put a more sinister spin on things, the people who poo-poo anecdotes want us to be helpless and to rely on them utterly .
Amen to this. The scientist-gatekeepers are all about dismissing anecdotal evidence out of hand because they are only interested in propping up a failing science paradigm. The "gold standard" RCTs they are so in love with have so regularly been manipulated in the way they are set up, run, analysed, and reported to almost be of no value whatsoever, and even dangerous (e.g. the COVID shots that have, and continue to, injure, maim and kill people).
"Dr Nice is correct -- anecdotes SHOULD be a starting place, just like VAERS SHOULD show warning signals. but if you discount all anecdotes and you never bother to look in VAERS to see if there are safety signals, you never get to hypothesis building."
BRAVA!! Well-placed pie-to-the-face!
I learned in statistics (part of analytical chemistry), "infinity" is any number (nuances properly considered) larger than 30. Tell that to the (unnuanced) "correlation is not causation" people.
in feb 2020, i broke my hip and my heel while riding my bike, ironically, to a strength training class. no one- not the EMS guys who brought me to the hospital, not the surgeon who screwed my hip back together, not medicare, nor the driver's insurance company, which had- let's face it- motive to avoid paying the bill, tried to use the old "correlation is not causation" trick. no one said " it was a temporal association: the car just happened to hit you and throw you 10 ft from your bike at the exact moment when your hip and heel decided to break by chance." no one suggested that it was a coincidence or tried to tell me that my "injuries" were all in my head and that i needed some anti-anxiety medication and a few sessions with a shrink. no one brought up climate change or excessive gardening as possible explanations. no one thought it too mysterious to ever know the cause. no one said it might be genetic.
all of these suggestions would have been thought of as ridiculous, insensitive, completely bogus and maybe even grounds for legal malpractice action had anyone tried to gaslight me in such a manner. but if i had been "hit" by a vaccine, instead of a car, i would have been treated completely differently. i would have been totally responsible for my hospital bill and what's worse, no one would listen to me.
vaccines are the 3rd rail of medicine and public health.
Chinese/Circassian variolation done properly (however they did it) and milking cows with cowpox may have worked, but Western variolation and vaccination since then do not seem very safe nor effective. (Disneyland SPREAD vaccine-strain measles! Why did it admit the recently vaccinated?) Even worse than calomel, which may at times have been justified when no better alternatives were available.