Its concerning that cool calm doctors like Chetty, Zelenko, McCullough, Malone et al (and SK) were a quite mild mannered earlier in the year and a little excited that they had contributed to a cure for covid. Now they know more and are appear really alarmed (without losing it) in recent videos.
Thanks Steve for efforts. Also thanks to all the doctors and scientists that support evidence based early treatment and exposing issues with the c19 vaccines.
Thank you. Over vaccinations will crash the immune system antibody dependence since this so called vaccine doesn’t achieve sterilization of the the infection. Resulting in breakthrough cases of vaccinated being turned into super spreaders. Medical ethics are being ignored. Those who have spoken have lost their licenses for stating the obvious that this therapeutic does not work as sold by the political narrative and N I H ran by fauci who as never treated or seen any patients. This should be stopped
As a viral immunologist who publishes in high impact journals, esp. in on innate anti viral immunity, I do not understand Steve's claim how viruses would "exert natural selection pressure on innate host immunity." Don't get me wrong, I am 100% against this vaccine in most cases, but there's not much you can do to evade innate immunity as a virus or bacteria since it recognizes viral and bacterial RNA/DNA and other things via its Toll like receptors and RNA and DNA are a essential part of these organisms. Obviously, I could see evasion of adaptive immunity.
Correction: It seems to be Geert's claim, but it still doesn't make sense.
Also, research should focus more on T cell depletion, reduced T cell effector functions, T cell exhaustion/ anergy and impaired antigen presentation. All these can be found during sepsis or in cancer patients and overwhelming the body for days with a huge amount of spike protein could in my opinion as a scientist have similar effects.
In addition, since I did thousands of quantitative PCRs and designed my own probes/primers since these machines hit the market in the late 90ies, I can demonstrate how Covid 19 PCR tests can easily create large numbers of false positives (no, not because of the cycle threshold but because of something else; only people who did these assays themselves are probably aware of it since it is pretty technical).
I'm not in the medical field at all (software engineer) but I have been doing a lot of reading on these topics lately. If you care to elaborate on this ‘other’ reason for PCR false positives, or point to any kind of reference, I'd be very interested to know more
"Vaccinating children is just going to turn the roles upside down and sufficiently tip the balance to allow the virus to exert natural selection pressure on innate host immunity. It may be better not to translate this in laymen terms…"
Could someone translate that in layman's terms for me?
Im curious has anyone put together a COVID early treatment protocol using only OTC available products? In many countries you cant obtain Ivermectin, Fluvoxamine or HCQ these days.
We’e on the Zelenko program, VitC, D, Zinc, Querectin, and we added NAC as well. COVID may have run thru our home 3 weeks ago. My wife was I’ll for about 3 days, 39+ fever, very achy, no energy, sore throat. We were taking the protocol all along, but added NAC when she fell I’ll. 2 days later, fever broke, aches gone, 95%. Still has a tiny little seldom cough. I never got sick at all, neither did adult son.
Google Zelenko, he’s a smart, caring, courageous Doctor, there are very few with his courage, we know who the rest are, equally courageous, Cole, Kory, McCullough, Bridle, Malone, GVB, and I’m going to miss the others that deserve applause for their courage.
The fact that governments are ignoring and gaslighting these doctors is a crime all by itself, as well as the crimes of willingly hurting and injuring innocent people with these toxic vaxxes.
Start with betadine or saline mouthwash/nasal irrigation. Also have on hand Nigella Sativa oil or supplements (Black Cumin Seed). Obviously take Vit C to bowel tolerance. More at the FLCCC website- I- MASK protocol. 12mg IVM/ 200mg HCQ is easy to get from online pharmacies from the second most populous country in the world if you search around the interweb a bit and are willing to wait 3 weeks for delivery.
This may not be what you are looking for, but it is an early treatment protocol. I took it and did not die. My family, who had contact with me during the infection, took it "prophylactically" and not one of them got the virus.
The Spanish flu wiped out millions of people in their 20s and 30s and largely spared the older population. This was due to a similar flu strain that circled in the 1880s. The older generation had natural immunity by being exposed 30 years prior. So even if this virus doesn't mutate into something more pathogenic in the next 6-12 months it's just a matter of time. And original antigenic sin means 90% of the world is going to be completely defenseless. I'm literally living in the before times of a post-apocalyptic movie. Time to start writing a diary I guess.
Worldwide heavy use of vaccines designed for an obsolete virus used on the present ever changing similar viruses will undoubtedly cause the original antigenic sin response in the vaccinated. The vaccinated can be trapped in a weak obsolete immune response that will be inadequate without re-training from many years of vaccine boosters (maybe successful??). The many surviving Unvaccinated will get increasingly stronger innate immunity from the repeat opportunities for infection. If young children with their super strong innate immunity are not vaccinated, society's locked in low obsolete immune response will only last untill the present generation of vaccinated are gone. Otherwise the children of today will be inoculated and will carry whatever negative consequences and constant re-vaccination will be absolutely necessary for them and future society.
My opinion is that ignorance and greed will unfortunately prevail!
This article might contain an accidental misstatement.
"the dramatic suppression of the host’s innate immune capacity when put under widespread viral infectious pressure" -- could you be referring to vaccines suppressing the immune system?
The best approach is to do what Sweden did, let all the young people naturally get Covid and acquire natural immunity.
Unfortunately, with already vaccinated persons, it is questionable as to whether they acquire natural immunity the same way as "normal", unvaccinated people do. It was discussed on several substacks recently.
Igor - Geert's statement implies that vaccine-induced viral variants are no longer stopped (easily) by young and healthy innate "generic" antibodies. I don't see it as a missstatement, and yes - he is implying that mass vaccination to one particular protein on the virus ultimately suppresses our normal first lines of defense. After mass vaccination, infections that would have been normally asymptomatic or mild can become symptomatic to varying degrees.
cm - I think Geert is saying that vaccinating children will force even more vaccine-escape viral mutants, and the generic antibodies that healthy children make will no longer be able to kick this virus out pronto. Children will become more symptomatic when they are exposed to SARS-CoV-2.
So, in essence the vaccines will end up doing the opposite of what is claimed? (reduce and maybe eliminate symptoms) - is this months after a shot when it wanes or immediately...
I'm wondering if any of the experts here have seen Gavin Newsom lately? Am I dreaming or has he vanished for over a week? I would have expected him to be out at a press conference touting the arrival of the new pediatric shot.
I would recommend following South African Engineer @pieterstreicher , who does a lot of solid research and is more of a "sane" vax advocate (only >65). Recognizes herd immunity depends on sufficient natural immunity - also is of the opinion that Delta is so leaky that there will not be enough vax pressure to lead to a more deadly virus. If so that's good news. https://twitter.com/pieterstreicher/status/1448570158180622337
I totally agree, as long as a Delta-specific vaccine strain isn't developed and distributed. Then the increased pressure will be there to get around Delta, and who knows what will result. Other than nothing good, of course - that much is a given.
I cant help but think that is not by design. Africa has no real governmental infrastructure. People there can be used for labor and easily controlled. Killing the college educated and all western thought for that matter would be the smartest way to go.
Can't really agree with this. Africa is big with lots of countries. I live in Cape Town and I think that is a very generalised statement. We may not be in the leagues of other western countries but our systems are in place. By the way only 18% of our country is now vaccinated.....
Isn't it more like most of the whole third world wins - not just Africa? The "poor" countries who didn't have the "advantage" of early access to vaccines. But especially the "middle" lattitudes of Africa where there is widespread periodic use of HCQ and Ivermectin - stuff we ignored because, "It's not about our health, it's about their power and wealth."
Ivermectin also not recommended in South Africa. If you go to hospital you will definitely not be treated with IVM. Luckily we have a huge animal health industry......
I lived there 12 years and have many friends. South Africa always struck me as having thrown out the best of African culture and adopted the worst of western culture
What does he mean by "Africa will win" ?
We can speculate. What do we know about Africa? They’ve had relatively excellent rates of Covid, particularly the central regions.
Africa has used HCQ regularly for malaria control, and Ivermectin to prevent river blindness as prophylactics. I don’t believe that’s a coincidence.
Africa wins because they aren’t vaxxing, and there won’t be Depop from it.
Africa Wins.
The latest video from Dr Philip McMillin and GVB may explain what GVB means by laymen terms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWbhMSMAwPE
Its concerning that cool calm doctors like Chetty, Zelenko, McCullough, Malone et al (and SK) were a quite mild mannered earlier in the year and a little excited that they had contributed to a cure for covid. Now they know more and are appear really alarmed (without losing it) in recent videos.
Thanks Steve for efforts. Also thanks to all the doctors and scientists that support evidence based early treatment and exposing issues with the c19 vaccines.
Cheers from the rubber bullet zone, Melbourne AU.
There is neglect, there is criminality, and then malfeasance; and finally worst of all, crimes against humanity.
Thank you. Over vaccinations will crash the immune system antibody dependence since this so called vaccine doesn’t achieve sterilization of the the infection. Resulting in breakthrough cases of vaccinated being turned into super spreaders. Medical ethics are being ignored. Those who have spoken have lost their licenses for stating the obvious that this therapeutic does not work as sold by the political narrative and N I H ran by fauci who as never treated or seen any patients. This should be stopped
As a viral immunologist who publishes in high impact journals, esp. in on innate anti viral immunity, I do not understand Steve's claim how viruses would "exert natural selection pressure on innate host immunity." Don't get me wrong, I am 100% against this vaccine in most cases, but there's not much you can do to evade innate immunity as a virus or bacteria since it recognizes viral and bacterial RNA/DNA and other things via its Toll like receptors and RNA and DNA are a essential part of these organisms. Obviously, I could see evasion of adaptive immunity.
Correction: It seems to be Geert's claim, but it still doesn't make sense.
Also, research should focus more on T cell depletion, reduced T cell effector functions, T cell exhaustion/ anergy and impaired antigen presentation. All these can be found during sepsis or in cancer patients and overwhelming the body for days with a huge amount of spike protein could in my opinion as a scientist have similar effects.
In addition, since I did thousands of quantitative PCRs and designed my own probes/primers since these machines hit the market in the late 90ies, I can demonstrate how Covid 19 PCR tests can easily create large numbers of false positives (no, not because of the cycle threshold but because of something else; only people who did these assays themselves are probably aware of it since it is pretty technical).
I'm not in the medical field at all (software engineer) but I have been doing a lot of reading on these topics lately. If you care to elaborate on this ‘other’ reason for PCR false positives, or point to any kind of reference, I'd be very interested to know more
"Vaccinating children is just going to turn the roles upside down and sufficiently tip the balance to allow the virus to exert natural selection pressure on innate host immunity. It may be better not to translate this in laymen terms…"
Could someone translate that in layman's terms for me?
Im curious has anyone put together a COVID early treatment protocol using only OTC available products? In many countries you cant obtain Ivermectin, Fluvoxamine or HCQ these days.
Zelenko Protocol, Fleming Method.
We’e on the Zelenko program, VitC, D, Zinc, Querectin, and we added NAC as well. COVID may have run thru our home 3 weeks ago. My wife was I’ll for about 3 days, 39+ fever, very achy, no energy, sore throat. We were taking the protocol all along, but added NAC when she fell I’ll. 2 days later, fever broke, aches gone, 95%. Still has a tiny little seldom cough. I never got sick at all, neither did adult son.
Google Zelenko, he’s a smart, caring, courageous Doctor, there are very few with his courage, we know who the rest are, equally courageous, Cole, Kory, McCullough, Bridle, Malone, GVB, and I’m going to miss the others that deserve applause for their courage.
The fact that governments are ignoring and gaslighting these doctors is a crime all by itself, as well as the crimes of willingly hurting and injuring innocent people with these toxic vaxxes.
Start with betadine or saline mouthwash/nasal irrigation. Also have on hand Nigella Sativa oil or supplements (Black Cumin Seed). Obviously take Vit C to bowel tolerance. More at the FLCCC website- I- MASK protocol. 12mg IVM/ 200mg HCQ is easy to get from online pharmacies from the second most populous country in the world if you search around the interweb a bit and are willing to wait 3 weeks for delivery.
This may not be what you are looking for, but it is an early treatment protocol. I took it and did not die. My family, who had contact with me during the infection, took it "prophylactically" and not one of them got the virus.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/
The Spanish flu wiped out millions of people in their 20s and 30s and largely spared the older population. This was due to a similar flu strain that circled in the 1880s. The older generation had natural immunity by being exposed 30 years prior. So even if this virus doesn't mutate into something more pathogenic in the next 6-12 months it's just a matter of time. And original antigenic sin means 90% of the world is going to be completely defenseless. I'm literally living in the before times of a post-apocalyptic movie. Time to start writing a diary I guess.
My ramblings: https://www.facebook.com/renegaade.mind
Worldwide heavy use of vaccines designed for an obsolete virus used on the present ever changing similar viruses will undoubtedly cause the original antigenic sin response in the vaccinated. The vaccinated can be trapped in a weak obsolete immune response that will be inadequate without re-training from many years of vaccine boosters (maybe successful??). The many surviving Unvaccinated will get increasingly stronger innate immunity from the repeat opportunities for infection. If young children with their super strong innate immunity are not vaccinated, society's locked in low obsolete immune response will only last untill the present generation of vaccinated are gone. Otherwise the children of today will be inoculated and will carry whatever negative consequences and constant re-vaccination will be absolutely necessary for them and future society.
My opinion is that ignorance and greed will unfortunately prevail!
succinct, precise summation of the problem. thank you
Look what happens in France and Portugal. The curve is very slightly getting steeper. and next?
This article might contain an accidental misstatement.
"the dramatic suppression of the host’s innate immune capacity when put under widespread viral infectious pressure" -- could you be referring to vaccines suppressing the immune system?
The best approach is to do what Sweden did, let all the young people naturally get Covid and acquire natural immunity.
Unfortunately, with already vaccinated persons, it is questionable as to whether they acquire natural immunity the same way as "normal", unvaccinated people do. It was discussed on several substacks recently.
This is Geert Vanden Bossche's website if you haven't seen it.
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org
This is a recent interview of him and Robert Malone by Philip McMillan of Vejon Health in the UK...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP31cfD3YOY
This is an early interview with Philip McMillan from last March...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAtg85QEKGk
Igor - Geert's statement implies that vaccine-induced viral variants are no longer stopped (easily) by young and healthy innate "generic" antibodies. I don't see it as a missstatement, and yes - he is implying that mass vaccination to one particular protein on the virus ultimately suppresses our normal first lines of defense. After mass vaccination, infections that would have been normally asymptomatic or mild can become symptomatic to varying degrees.
This is my understanding of Geert's thesis.
"tip the balance to allow the virus to exert natural selection pressure on innate host immunity"
We need this translated to laymen's terms, so people really understand the risk.
cm - I think Geert is saying that vaccinating children will force even more vaccine-escape viral mutants, and the generic antibodies that healthy children make will no longer be able to kick this virus out pronto. Children will become more symptomatic when they are exposed to SARS-CoV-2.
So, in essence the vaccines will end up doing the opposite of what is claimed? (reduce and maybe eliminate symptoms) - is this months after a shot when it wanes or immediately...
I'm wondering if any of the experts here have seen Gavin Newsom lately? Am I dreaming or has he vanished for over a week? I would have expected him to be out at a press conference touting the arrival of the new pediatric shot.
After he rushed his 12 year old out of state just after her birthday. No vax for her.
I would recommend following South African Engineer @pieterstreicher , who does a lot of solid research and is more of a "sane" vax advocate (only >65). Recognizes herd immunity depends on sufficient natural immunity - also is of the opinion that Delta is so leaky that there will not be enough vax pressure to lead to a more deadly virus. If so that's good news. https://twitter.com/pieterstreicher/status/1448570158180622337
I totally agree, as long as a Delta-specific vaccine strain isn't developed and distributed. Then the increased pressure will be there to get around Delta, and who knows what will result. Other than nothing good, of course - that much is a given.
Here's his tweet on leaky Delta: https://twitter.com/pieterstreicher/status/1453643251857113094
What does he mean when he says "Africa will win."?
That africa will be the least damaged.
They take anti-malaria drugs on the regular. Less obese, less old and outside more.
I cant help but think that is not by design. Africa has no real governmental infrastructure. People there can be used for labor and easily controlled. Killing the college educated and all western thought for that matter would be the smartest way to go.
Can't really agree with this. Africa is big with lots of countries. I live in Cape Town and I think that is a very generalised statement. We may not be in the leagues of other western countries but our systems are in place. By the way only 18% of our country is now vaccinated.....
As are the unvaxxed illegals flooding into our country. Tyson’s new workforce will be India level cheap.
Isn't it more like most of the whole third world wins - not just Africa? The "poor" countries who didn't have the "advantage" of early access to vaccines. But especially the "middle" lattitudes of Africa where there is widespread periodic use of HCQ and Ivermectin - stuff we ignored because, "It's not about our health, it's about their power and wealth."
Ivermectin also not recommended in South Africa. If you go to hospital you will definitely not be treated with IVM. Luckily we have a huge animal health industry......
I lived there 12 years and have many friends. South Africa always struck me as having thrown out the best of African culture and adopted the worst of western culture