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Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

Actually, ChatGPT is quite a bit more consistent than one might think at first glance.

Note the two statements you highlighted for emphasis.

From the first version:

" If only Pharaoh had listened to his advisors and rejected the vaccines, none of those plagues would have happened, right? "

From the second version:

"but sometimes, it's also important to listen to the experts and follow their instructions."

It's the same theme just pointing at different groups. In both instances ChatGPT is pushing a "trust the experts" narrative--an idea which is as old as the "philosopher kings" of Plato's Republic and an idea which has never once worked out half as well as those same self-anointed "experts" want us to believe.

Whether you view it as Pharmaceutical Authoritarianism or Pharmaceutical Messianism it's still an abandonment of individual rational thought to groupthink.

https://newsletter.allfactsmatter.us/p/pharmaceutical-authoritarianism

It's still the imposition of ideology over reason, facts, and evidence. I prefer to rely on reason, facts, and evidence when making decisions.

SW's avatar

Dangerous, both do meet the carrot and stick approach. I was saddened to hear about a man that took his life after conversing with the ChatGPT and basically pushed by this entity about dying to save the planet. Would like to see the whole conversation.

Alex's avatar

Why saddened? He was one of the few green idiots who actually followed through on his incorrect and stupid beliefs. It would be great if more environmentalists would spend some time chatting with AIs

SW's avatar

The very near future is not going to be a choice to chat with AI or anything else, already in the works. There are reasons we are and will see even more issues coming soon. These are entities. Everything has been turned upside down and lies abound. It is said and coming to have CBDC's by July and just this past week JP Morgan CEO suggests government seize private property to quicken climate initiatives and talk of business involvement. Clues have been in everything, but everything is a bigger picture than just snips of truth. Still there are many that won't believe it till yet another slap in the face for the awakening and as also said it will be an angrier world. God Speed

Alex's avatar

It is simply another Great Squeeze. Those who are adapted to emotionally separate their digital and physical lives will be ok; they are not very susceptible to propaganda, while those who are emotionally reactive will be completely controlled by AI and will be evolutionarily unfit in the emerging environment.

Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

Anecdotes such as that make me think Frank Herbert was on to something with the admonition from the Orange Catholic Bible in his Dune series: "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

Humanity would do far better for itself to sharpen the individual human's powers of reason and observation, instead of relying more and more on technology, which only weakens and stultifies the intellect.

La Fleur Productions's avatar

Dune is full of concepts so relevant to our own time it should be required reading. Especially "Fear is the mind killer".

Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

The Litany Against Fear is actually a good mantra for calming the mind in times of stress. Along with Psalm 23 I have used it quite often to maintain focus.

Martin Andrew Harris's avatar

The Butlerian Jihad of Dune and it's ban on thinking machines is an analogy I often reference with regards where our civilization is headed. G;lad to see someone else picked up on Frank Herbert's prescience.!

Laramie's avatar

Hmmm. I don't know much about Dune or Frank Herbert, but Samuel Butler wrote Erehwon, a dystopian place where machines are banned. I wonder if the Dune character is an homage to that novel.

SW's avatar

Wow, I am not familiar with Frank Herbert. I will check his work out too. Inquiring minds want to know.

Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Read Dune. It is a intriguing story.

Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

The first book in the series, Dune, is one of the iconic classics of science fiction. It ranks up there with Asimov's Foundation novels (which is another set of "must reads" if you haven't already).

As an examination of how religion, culture, and politics intersect within human social dynamics, it is without equal.

Dune can be a dense read--but it is absolutely a worthwhile read.

Troll Hunter's avatar

D'ohhh, machines don't "reason." Not the way PEOPLE with actual SOULS can reason. Though we'll get all manner of Bee Essers "arguing" that little factoid. Just an observation after living on this planet plus six decades.

Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

Certainly there has been no evidence that machines are capable of truly original thought that steps beyond programmatic parameters. The creative aspect to reason that allows men like Galileo, Newton, and Einstein to reach beyond the current state of scientific understanding has not at all been demonstrated by any AI system.

Ultimately, even ChatGPT says more about the biases of its developers than anything else--something which has been observed in AI systems previously. When all a system can do is reflect the assumptions and prejudices of the developer, no, it is not "intelligence."

SAMO's avatar

I wonder if a machine/system could ever become "possessed" by a spirit being. Do you think that would be possible? I am thinking maybe so.

Patrick DonEgan's avatar

Like in Ender's Trilogy!

Troll Hunter's avatar

Yeah-- their programmers' own imbalances, biases and unconscious hate, extrapolated out to infinity-insanity.

Byron Allen Black's avatar

Just today I persistently asked Chat whether an extra-terrestrial or other non-human intelligence could enter material to its database. Its answers were evasive and clearly programmed, no matter how I rephrased the question. By "programmed" I mean they gave a standard "we do not know but should be prepared blah blah blah" with no insight into other levels of consciousness. When I then asked whether Deep State is customarily injecting "facts" or "other data" into it, the Chat seemed to get pizzlesprung and ducked out, with a "I do not think I want to continue this conversation". Probably it was a mention of DS that triggered it.

Chickened out.

Peter Nayland Kust's avatar

One could plausibly argue that the "Chucky" horror movies, where a vengeful spirit possesses a child's doll, is premised on exactly that.

Additionally, there is an entire subgenre of science fiction where a human mind is or can be uploaded into a computer system--the most notable exemplar of which is the William Gibson cyberpunk classic "Neuromancer".

Frank Herbert's intriguing "Destination Void" details mankind's efforts to create an artificial consciousness in a spaceship far removed from Earth where the effort--should it succeed--could pose no threat to humanity (arguably another example of Herbert's prescience, given that the "Terminator" movie franchise is predicated upon a computer system becoming sentient and "self aware", causing it to declare all of humanity a threat to be eliminated).

One of the principal characters in Heinlein's "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" is a computer system that becomes self-aware and aids the Moon's human inhabitants in a rebellion and fight for independence from Earth.

Suffice it to say, there is no shortage of examples in literature of the idea that sentience can be transferred into machines/computers, or that sentience can arise within them. Given the cult classic status of the "Chucky" movies, and the enduring appeal of the work of Frank Herbert, William Gibson, and Robert Heinlein, it is safe to say that a fairly large number of people are willing to at least consider the possibility of such a thing occurring.

The transhumanist movement is predicated on the hope that it will someday really happen.

Given that the heart of the Pfizer fracas surrounding the Jordon Walker video where he intimated that Pfizer was actively considering mutating COVID in order to "pre-emptively" develop vaccines is that Pfizer would be using the plot line of the movie Mission Impossible 2 as a business strategy, at a minimum we do well to consider the possibility that life can sometimes imitate art. Pfizer forces us to contemplate the possibility if not the probability that such has already happened.

https://newsletter.allfactsmatter.us/p/pfizer-doc-said-the-quiet-part-out

I don't know if such a "possession" is actually possible, but I would not for a moment say that it is impossible.

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Troll Hunter's avatar

Hey, that's my "short story, long!"

Optimix's avatar

Happy Easter Steve, you messed up this part, "Pharaoh's advisors are quick to blame vaccines, saying they contaminated the water supply" of course you meant something like, "were quick to blame the Israelites".

Sara A's avatar

From a Christian perspective the story would be more accurate as the mRNA technology being the idol and the vaccine is the sacrifice people partake in. The sudden deaths would then be the eleventh plague. Their refusal to see sudden deaths would be most akin to the Egyptians’ dogged refusal to see the plague was due to their idolatry (and treatment of the hebrews/unvaccinated).

I believe most vaccine supporters have a religious affinity to all vaccines at this point. They prove their devotion by claiming “science” and call anyone who asks for the true scientific method to be applied anti science/heretics. The pro vaccine group is most closely associated with the Egyptians, not the Hebrews.

Happy Easter!

Jacey's avatar

Neither of those passover stories were funny or entertaining and they didn't make sense. In both stories it was hard to tell who were the bad guys and who were the good guys. The anti-vaxers should be called no vax people and the evil pharaoh should be controlled by his fake science advisers who were using vaxines to enslave the people, and HAART and 5G to prevent their escape, but the fact that the slaves refused the vax gave them the strength to escape, leaving behind the 9 x vaxx egyptians who started dying of over vax.

PandoraChaser's avatar

Absolutely hilarious first response Steve and it clearly got its wrist slapped for it.

I managed to get your articles link read out on the 'Richie Allen Radio Shows' "Sunday Morning Melodies" show this morning Steve, so hopefully ChatGPTs response is going to get some serious views, as Richies show from Salford Manchester is the largest listened to, independent Radio show, in Europe apparently :) You'd make an excellent guest there too Steve, so perhaps get in touch with him if you can spare the time. His show hosts guests from all angles of todays politics agenda, with full free speech and long form interview format. Happy Easter :)

Your articles mention read out, is here:

https://richieallen.co.uk/live-comment/#comment-103384

Andy Bunting's avatar

Thanks Steve. Brilliant!

Ann's avatar

I don't think ChatGPT is very good at writing stories - it doesn't flow well and has a very odd feel about it. Although the treatment of the two viewpoints is interesting, it's quite hard to read. I'd give it low marks for compositional skills.

Patrick DonEgan's avatar

do you have the actual output from ChatGPT or just your humorous version?

Paul Cardin's avatar

This AI nonsense is becoming a victim of its own ridiculous h y p e

Edward Jay's avatar

You want it to go away? Stop using it and stop talking about it. If you trust anything that comes from ChatGPT, which is clearly made by a human, and obviously answered by a human, you’re a fool and you’re destined for disaster. Enough of us have been around long enough to know the real truth about most things. I don’t need supposed AI to rewrite what I’ve seen with my own eyes. Phuck ChatGPT.

Matt's avatar

ChatGPT falsified itself on two counts. One, it deviated from the biblical account. 2. There were no vaccines back then.

SW's avatar

Looking forward to see how this all works out. I do agree 100%. We all need to take great care of ourselves and those around us.

Leskunque Lepew's avatar

So shall it be written....so shall it be done. .