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If he's pushing paxlovid and other big pharma treatments he's probably getting a big fat pay-off somehow.

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This email thread is long but it was kind of fun and in the spirit of your engagement with that UC Prof.

It is a nice exchange with a lovely professor of medicine at UPenn and former FDA official, Susan Ellenberg. She also declined to participate in your debate. Excuse me for taking this liberty to introduce you, but I figured she was on such a roll I thought she may take you up on it.

In case you want to reach out to her - Ellenberg, Susan <sellenbe@pennmedicine.upenn.edu

Hi Dr. Ellenberg,

I read about you tonight in this article - https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/07/14/the_feds_pile_up_vaccine_adverse_event_reports_as_they_decry_scaremongering_elsewhere_841872.html about VAERS. My wife is actually a Penn Alum and has a bachelors and a masters in nursing from there. We loved our time in Philly but moved back west in 2004. We became the guardians to my wife’s best friend’s daughter last July. Her mom Lauren died 6 days after the first Pfizer shot on April 6, 2021. We made the VAERS report ourselves. We put Lauren’s ashes in the ground just this past Tuesday. It was a lovely little gathering, although quite sad.

That’s not why I’m emailing though. I’m emailing because in December of this year I learned how to search the CDC’s database by vaccine lot #. Back in December the lot that killed Lauren Pfizer EN 6201 had 90 deaths. Yesterday upon rerunning the search I learned the lot was up to 185 deaths. A single lot with 185 deaths. I know that we reported to VAERS honestly, and my hunch is so has everyone else. There are 10s of thousands of lots. I’m just a carpenter and my math skills sort of peak out at adding and subtracting fractions for nice tight finish work, but this seems like a red flag to me. Perhaps you can look into it?

This article does an excellent job detailing the story. At the bottom of it there are instructions on how to look up this lot # at the CDCs own database. How is this for a handful of hay? Just look in this tiny little dataset of a single lot and then let me know if you think there may be a problem with the product at large.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/pfizer-covid-vaccine-safety-varies-from-lot-to-lot_4467336.html?slsuccess=1

I’m copying the article’s author here as well. Perhaps you’d like to connect with her to discuss this in more detail? You could be a hero and through Jennifer alert the world to your new awareness of this obvious problem?

In the endless pursuit of truth, yours truly,

Dan

Dear Dan,

There are several issues to take into account in reviewing VAERS data.

First with respect to lots. Lots can vary widely in size. A large lot will have more reports than a small lot. When I was at the FDA, lot sizes were considered proprietary to companies, so there was no way for anyone outside the company or FDA to look at the number of reports relative to the size of the lot. This has probably not changed.

Second, if you have read about VAERS you probably know that there is no verified causal connection between events reported to VAERS and the vaccine. In order to cast the net as widely as possible, VAERS wants reports of ANY adverse effect occurring after a vaccine. So the number of deaths in VAERS reported for a vaccine or a specific vaccine lot can not be interpreted as deaths caused by the vaccine—all one can say is that these are deaths that occurred after vaccination. VAERS includes many reports of deaths that occurred weeks or months after the vaccination.

Third, the population subset that was most likely to be vaccinated, especially in the early days of vaccinations (the first half of 2021) was the elderly, and particularly those in nursing homes. The mortality of the nursing home population is pretty high. If you vaccinate a lot of people over the age of 80 who are frail enough to be in a nursing home, you can expect many deaths over a short period of time—deaths that would have occurred with or without vaccination. Another population subset with priority for vaccination are those who were immunocompromised. This would include, for example, people with cancer taking therapies that depress the immune system. The mortality rate in this group is also high.

FDA staff do look at reports by vaccine lot. If any lot seemed to have a disproportionate number of serious events relative to other lots, that would lead to further investigation. But the quality control process for vaccine manufacture is very strong—each batch of vaccine must go through stringent procedures before being approved by the FDA to be divided into lots and released to the public.

I’m attaching an article I wrote about VAERS when I was at the FDA some years ago that discusses these issues.

I’m so sorry for your loss.

Dear Dr. Ellenberg,

Thank you for the reply. I don’t buy it. Today, if we visit the FDA web site, I am certain we will read about a listeria outbreak somewhere in the Midwest where a handful of people developed intestinal trouble. But a vaccine lot with 185 reports of death in VAERS goes unreported. Nonsense.

If you’d like to play the age/vaccine death game let’s apply it to the age/virus deaths as well. The exact same issue is at play, yet my family has lost nearly everything here (friends, jobs, sports, coaching opportunities, nearly access to schools…) in CA electing to avoid the shot.

I don’t buy 185 coincidental deaths both happened, and got reported to VAERS, for a single lot out of the tens of thousands of lots that exist. It’s silly on its face to say so.

Anyhow, I wouldn’t have thought someone completely captured by big pharma would even respond. So feel free to go back to sleep. I’ll update you when the death toll gets to 186, which will most certainly be next Friday when they update the VAERS dataset.

Have a great Sunday!

Dear Dan,

A single vaccine lot could have as many as 750,000 vials; perhaps more. If even a small propotion were used in nursing home residents or other elderly or immunocompromised people, 185 deaths in some period of time following vaccination (did you look at the distribution of post-vaccination times? Or the ages of those whose deaths were reported?) would not be at all extraordinary. But I see there is no point addressing the difficult issues of interpreting the VAERS data; you have made up your mind and are looking for rationales to avoid being vaccinated. Over a million people in the US along have died of COVID, most of whom were not vaccinated. I wish you luck in avoiding a similar fate.

Dear Dr. Ellenberg,

You could say the same thing annually about the flu shot but somehow we manage to not get 30,000 deaths in VAERS annually over that.

Our super healthy 47 year old friend died of sudden cardiac death 6 days after taking an experimental pharmaceutical product (I’m sure you know phase 3 of the clinical trial ends NEXT year). Pharma has ZERO Product liability for said outcomes. Nearly 30,000 deaths in VAERS from the covid shot. The entire FDA, CDC, NIH, all the major universities, most media and nearly every politician are owned by big pharma. If they don’t work there already they are participating in a long form interview to see who can be the biggest shill.

Your failure to send a red flag on lot EN 6201 makes you complicit in this cover up.

I had covid and like 99.xx% of people in my age category it was barely a blip. Every single vaccinated person I know that has had covid had it much worse than I. The last 4 deaths WITH covid in Berkeley were fully vaccinated. 80% of Berkeley Unified kids that caught covid in January were fully vaccinated - so bad for the narrative they stopped recording.

Your either intentionally lying or you’re so brainwashed you’ve stopped thinking critically.

Shame on you.

Dear Dan,

Always way more reporting on new vaccines.

This will be my last response to you since you don’t have any interest in listening.

Dear Dr. Ellenberg,

So 185/750,000. Sorry 184/750000 after deducting for, as you hypothesize our friend the only healthy person that received a shot from that lot, of seniors succumbing to that lot is acceptable. Is that what you are saying? That lot was distributed in most states. It was not deployed exclusively to the “about to die senior citizen home” in a single city.

I’m totally happy to connect you with someone crunching all the data. It’s actually a guy that works for Steve Kirsch. Steve is offering $1,000,000 for someone with your credentials and views to debate him. Are you interested? Should be a home run for you and I can connect you to him.

By the way, 1-(boosted % times the population). That’s the percentage of Americans that know of a covid vaccine injury or death and will probably never take another vaccine of any kind. Nice work!

You don't have any interest in listening or critical thinking. In any event thanks for replying. It’s been insightful.

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