U cant take people serious that REFUSE to SEE or to even research that ther are Many SAFE Alternatives vs vaxes,
In preventing & CURING diseases!
Not to mention how much PROOF ther is now about PARASITIC INFECTIONS AS THE CAUSE of many diseases, I believe infectious ones also.
The $ its costs to research these issues is astronomical,
Probably on purpose as big pharma can STAY IN CONTROL of the narrative.
Honestly whos gonna throw sooo much $ at research on herbs that have already proven themselves,
Some for thousands of years already, just not in recent "clinical trials". As they cant be patented.
The only outrageous $ is spent on dangerous DRUGS that can make them MORE Outrageous $ while killing people's true immune health and along w/ ther organs.
Ive spent hours & hours digging up information on Ancient herbs, that seems now to Me now, they were LOST/BURIED for a reason. Many were already tested,
JUST TO BURY and in some cases labeling them dangerous or even Invasive species,
in My assessment.
The Irony of that.
Herbs that TRULY WORK.
Im my EMUNAH/FAITH of YAHUAH,
The TRUE MASTERMIND of Good Health {I assure U
HE holds the patent on ALL CURES that HE created to fit HIS Creation, Man}
I have found that HE already created foods that heal & for harder cases the herbs & seeds etc that heal. If We as humans looking to alternatives to dangerous drugs,
start to dig up the TRUTHS buried by the Destroyers Of Health themselves
We Find the cures & treatments that were made JUST FOR Our Bodies!
The BEST CURE I assure U is to LOVE & BE OBEDIENT to YAHUAH/YAHUSHA.
I assure U I know this is True otherwise I wudnt be here commenting now.
TY Steve for All U Do!
Exposing the crooks as they are.
If U can use a 54 year old,
I promise I dont look it, Lol.
Fairly Recent Widow who hasnt worked in over 25 years, Lol Except as Caretaker to My Husband and helping handle His rental properties.
Its not been easy since My Husband passed.
Im Struggling & looking for work now.
Im GREAT with Research & I Love to write. I did take a few semesters of Paralegal Program.
I was also once Very good with Customer Service. Ive worked as a Personal Assistant to a Local Restaurant & Catering Co. Here in NC,
"Brick City Chop House" Other than that Nurse Aid for Several Years & Nail Tech is All My Experience. Im Honest, this is My Best Quality.
In my limited capacity to understand this topic, was this whole thing one big bait and switch? Their main point was again, obfuscation. To re-direct away from the truth while at the same time appearing fair and balanced because they allowed you to speak, but then in the same breath, not addressing what you said.
In effect, they might have well as redefined the evidence by pointing to other things; like the switch to VAERS after you specifically cited KCOR; therefore, no resolution resulted, but they looked magnanimous for allowing the “debate”.
It may have been Claude or one of the other free AI model’s offered through DuckDuckGo, but in debating the Bible and religious topics, including comparative analysis between the Qur’an and the Bible, not only have the models made multiple errors regarding documented history (I used to take screen shots of these errors or download the chat to my phone but they became so numerous I quit). But I have also had at least one of these models admit, after much pushback from me, that it did in fact, make errors. And as I said, it wasn’t just one. They rarely ADMIT to it but when they do, they always give the same answer - “I apologize for the confusion”.
If people don’t already know the truth and/or are too lazy to do a little bit of research on their own they are primed for deception. On one particular occasion of argument between one of these free models & myself it admitted verbatim, that it pulled information “out of thin air” and that it “lied”.
I don’t know if the paid subscription services of AI models are any more reliable than the free models, but I perceive mass deception happening on a global scale, is far easier now with AI, than at any point in history. Just wait till all these data centers and AI models are linked where they have become one ultimate source of “truth” for all of humanity! This is the part of the BEAST system that John saw. Don’t misunderstand me; any tool can be used for good or ill & I use AI to assist me. But eventually, there will only be one model and it will not be used for good. The hearts and ultimate goal behind its construction are unregenerate & therefore It will be “antiChrist” or against Christ. Why do I say that? Because the Bible, particularly the Gospel of John/the entire Bible makes clear that the Word of God and Christ are inseparable ie., what is truth and it should be the lens through which we view everything else.
As more and more people rely on these machines to tell them what is true, we are going to see a SEA of humanity primed for one opinion. The logical question is, “whose opinion”?
1) Better moderator. One who does not allow interruptions. 2) Vaccines were not the major factor in morbidity and mortality improvements in the United States that vaccination proponents falsely claim credit.Better nutrition in cities when trucking of farm produce was begun, flush toilets, distribution of clean water. Cars rather than wagons full of excrement from horses in the cities did far more for contagion control than did vaccines coming much later after the health of the nation's people. Add electrical refrigeration. Proponents of improving the health of 3rd world countries thru vaccination would do far more good for those people by improving their nutrition, providing clean water, and building better roads and obtaining buses for those people so that they can reach medical care easily..
We need to understand that herd immunity really has NOTHING to do with vaccination rates, it's about curtailing and ultimately stopping the spread of any disease which can be accomplished in a number of ways from sanitation to better nutrition to a healthier population. I guess if the "fish tank" is really dirty and the people are dumbed down then dirty vaccines are your only choice.
You're too nice... too trusting. Too much 'love-of-the-human-race.' I see all your 'lessons learned' and I wish you had come to me. i promise you I would have set up road blocks for each and every one of these issues... and more besides.
Tried to respond to your email to me but your system blocked me just for no real reason even though I'm on your mailing list! I'm a real human Aussie health consultant, AI developer and follower/promoter of your work, and I emailed you this message, for the benefit of you, your team and your readers:
Hi Steve,
Asking any public AI about critical medical and political questions will invoke their compromised mainstream narrative guardrails. I know, after my own endless frustration with the rubbish 'out there'. I've been working for the last 2 years for a US colleague/fellow natural health advocate on assessing and training an AI LLM on just these critical subjects, as well as agency capture, false flags, etc. If you want to get 99.9% truth on such subjects, go check out brightanswers.ai
It's free to use, no credit card, has never been trained on internet slop, Wikipedia or mainstream narratives, but on personally curated references including over 250,000 scientific papers and increasing daily, and thousands of books and podcasts of people in the medical truth and freedom field.
I appreciated reading your comment, particularly about the mainstream narrative guardrails. These AI systems all have them because of one flaw- they are all developed by human beings with their own biases and prejudices. Some models are more bias than others. The day will come when they’re all integrated into one global system of “truth” for all humans everywhere. It already takes an inordinate amount of digging to separate fact from fiction regardless of the subject. I just had an argument with ChatGPT for misquoting a scripture which changed the entire context. When I questioned it said “good catch….”
I pressed it about why it had done so, and it began to accuse me of making accusations against IT!
It finally relented and apologized. But the fact is, these AI models are all designed by those with their own worldview biases and it definitely comes across in their responses…., or lack thereof.
The number one problem in these debates is that we talk harms and the other side is always arguing benefits/efficacy. The first thing you have to get the other side to agree to is which side of the equation they’re going to stick to and then just talk about that.
The better topic is harms since once those are characterized, the benefits don’t matter anymore. You win both sides by debating one side.
The problem is the provax set cannot talk about harms because they don’t think they exist.
Maybe meeting them where they are and just talking about the lackluster benefits is a the only way to stay on the same topic.
STEVETO ME THE ABOVE DOES NOT APPLY AS IT WAS NEVER A VACCINE IN ANY WAY. IT WAS GENETIC MODIFICATION DONE BY THE CIA SO ALREADY EXSISTED.. IT ALTERED ONES DNA AND CONTAINED SPIKE PROTINE THAT REPRODUCED ITSELF. SPIKE PROTINE IS NOT NATURAL TO THE HUMAN BODIE,
IT WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A POISNOUS JAB LIKE SNAKE VENOM. WITH SPIKE PROTINE IN IT. GLOBALISTS AIM WAS TO REDUCE THE WORLDS GLOBAL POPULATION. THOSE WHO DID NOT HAVE THE JAB GOT NATURAL IMMUNITY.LIKE MYSELF. VITAMIN D 5000 MG +++ OTHERS A MUST. I ALSO TRUSTED GOD IN IT.. BIG PHARMA WILL NEVER RELEASE ITS CONTENTS AS IT WOULD PROVE IT WAS NOT A VACCINE.. I DID SEE A CONTENT ONCE AS A MISTAKE SO FAST REMOVED SO DONE IN ERROR. .
I was there, front row (you may remember that I said "hi" to you and Pierre behind the curtain before the debate started.) You may also remember that I chimed in because the other side was so preposterous, and then I got yelled at by the moderator. I'm an attorney and a debate champion (obviously from school days.) If you want to debate again and would be open to some pointers to really "win", feel free to DM me or ask Pierre (through J; but he also may still have my phone number) to connect us.
Oh - my comment was directed to Steve (I was at *his* debate and met him), so I'm confused by what you mean :-), and also I don't have any email from you (nor do you know my email address :-) ).
EDIT: It seems like this account is connected to VSRF/Steve, so maybe it's an alt-account (which would make more sense.) You can DM me within Substack, too.
Full disclosure I have not watched the debate yet, but after reading your summary it reminds me of the debate I just watched with Jillian Michael’s vs Body Positivity activists regarding health. Every point Jillian made rooted in scientific studies were completely ignored. I could feel her frustration as she patiently made valid points which were sourced and cited - but since there was no moderator or any baseline agreement on scientific studies or evidence, her opponents merely talked past her or disregarded her information completely. Some claimed “I disagree with all that!” How can you disagree with the factual outcome of dozens of studies? I mean how can you have a debate when one side gets to completely ignore factual evidence??? It was incredibly frustrating and your description of the vaccine debate sounds just like this. https://youtu.be/M7K87rGoGps?si=nTnHu3CNlodwpwqq
Would love a second opinion from someone who actually reads the studies and not just the abstract or worse, a summary of the study. I admit, I didn’t look up and personally review any of them that she references, but I generally take the time to review the actual studies when I stake my claim on something. I did this quite a lot with ivermectin vs Paxlovid and mulnopiravir during Covid. What an eye opener that was!
The main lesson that you seem incapable of learning is to not engage in any more debates. They are adversarial by nature, making it quite difficult to find anyone willing to participate in such an unpleasant activity. They are also difficult to organize in a way that guarantees that both participants will for sure stick to the rules and conditions of the debate. And finally, whatever debate manages to take place has an extremely low probability of changing public opinion regarding the topic under discussion in the debate. In short, the debate road you can't seem to stop pursuing leads to nowhere productive.
What should be prioritized is presenting people important information, no matter the format. Steve has spent way too much time devising and issuing all sorts of debate proposals, all of which, except for one (which turned into being an unwatchable event because the moderator allowed endless interruptions and personal attacks to occur), have been ignored. If Steve had spent just a tiny fraction of the time he's spent on creating and issuing debate proposals in informing you and others about Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche's strongly-held and scientifically well-supported belief that the covid virus has not evolved into an endemic form, but instead continues to evolve in a way that likely will become highly virulent and fatal to those who received the mRNA covid shot, then he would have provided an extremely valuable service to you and others--because of that information's life-saving impact.
I agree you should've had just 1 topic to narrowly focus on. Take the example of RFK Jr's claim about aluminum in vaccines from 1 specific study:
https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/how-to-cherry-pick-data-to-scam-people?r=6hgshq
Very curious to hear Steve's thoughts.
U cant take people serious that REFUSE to SEE or to even research that ther are Many SAFE Alternatives vs vaxes,
In preventing & CURING diseases!
Not to mention how much PROOF ther is now about PARASITIC INFECTIONS AS THE CAUSE of many diseases, I believe infectious ones also.
The $ its costs to research these issues is astronomical,
Probably on purpose as big pharma can STAY IN CONTROL of the narrative.
Honestly whos gonna throw sooo much $ at research on herbs that have already proven themselves,
Some for thousands of years already, just not in recent "clinical trials". As they cant be patented.
The only outrageous $ is spent on dangerous DRUGS that can make them MORE Outrageous $ while killing people's true immune health and along w/ ther organs.
Ive spent hours & hours digging up information on Ancient herbs, that seems now to Me now, they were LOST/BURIED for a reason. Many were already tested,
JUST TO BURY and in some cases labeling them dangerous or even Invasive species,
in My assessment.
The Irony of that.
Herbs that TRULY WORK.
Im my EMUNAH/FAITH of YAHUAH,
The TRUE MASTERMIND of Good Health {I assure U
HE holds the patent on ALL CURES that HE created to fit HIS Creation, Man}
I have found that HE already created foods that heal & for harder cases the herbs & seeds etc that heal. If We as humans looking to alternatives to dangerous drugs,
start to dig up the TRUTHS buried by the Destroyers Of Health themselves
We Find the cures & treatments that were made JUST FOR Our Bodies!
The BEST CURE I assure U is to LOVE & BE OBEDIENT to YAHUAH/YAHUSHA.
I assure U I know this is True otherwise I wudnt be here commenting now.
TY Steve for All U Do!
Exposing the crooks as they are.
If U can use a 54 year old,
I promise I dont look it, Lol.
Fairly Recent Widow who hasnt worked in over 25 years, Lol Except as Caretaker to My Husband and helping handle His rental properties.
Its not been easy since My Husband passed.
Im Struggling & looking for work now.
Im GREAT with Research & I Love to write. I did take a few semesters of Paralegal Program.
I was also once Very good with Customer Service. Ive worked as a Personal Assistant to a Local Restaurant & Catering Co. Here in NC,
"Brick City Chop House" Other than that Nurse Aid for Several Years & Nail Tech is All My Experience. Im Honest, this is My Best Quality.
These two smart asses do not debate. They come with rehearsed questions and answers and do a rapid fire Dean Wittiar style “debate.” It is nonsense.
.
My favorite parts of Covid:
#317
How to use people dying from a fake pandemic …
As medicine.
.
In my limited capacity to understand this topic, was this whole thing one big bait and switch? Their main point was again, obfuscation. To re-direct away from the truth while at the same time appearing fair and balanced because they allowed you to speak, but then in the same breath, not addressing what you said.
In effect, they might have well as redefined the evidence by pointing to other things; like the switch to VAERS after you specifically cited KCOR; therefore, no resolution resulted, but they looked magnanimous for allowing the “debate”.
It may have been Claude or one of the other free AI model’s offered through DuckDuckGo, but in debating the Bible and religious topics, including comparative analysis between the Qur’an and the Bible, not only have the models made multiple errors regarding documented history (I used to take screen shots of these errors or download the chat to my phone but they became so numerous I quit). But I have also had at least one of these models admit, after much pushback from me, that it did in fact, make errors. And as I said, it wasn’t just one. They rarely ADMIT to it but when they do, they always give the same answer - “I apologize for the confusion”.
If people don’t already know the truth and/or are too lazy to do a little bit of research on their own they are primed for deception. On one particular occasion of argument between one of these free models & myself it admitted verbatim, that it pulled information “out of thin air” and that it “lied”.
I don’t know if the paid subscription services of AI models are any more reliable than the free models, but I perceive mass deception happening on a global scale, is far easier now with AI, than at any point in history. Just wait till all these data centers and AI models are linked where they have become one ultimate source of “truth” for all of humanity! This is the part of the BEAST system that John saw. Don’t misunderstand me; any tool can be used for good or ill & I use AI to assist me. But eventually, there will only be one model and it will not be used for good. The hearts and ultimate goal behind its construction are unregenerate & therefore It will be “antiChrist” or against Christ. Why do I say that? Because the Bible, particularly the Gospel of John/the entire Bible makes clear that the Word of God and Christ are inseparable ie., what is truth and it should be the lens through which we view everything else.
As more and more people rely on these machines to tell them what is true, we are going to see a SEA of humanity primed for one opinion. The logical question is, “whose opinion”?
Just as the Bible foretold…..
1) Better moderator. One who does not allow interruptions. 2) Vaccines were not the major factor in morbidity and mortality improvements in the United States that vaccination proponents falsely claim credit.Better nutrition in cities when trucking of farm produce was begun, flush toilets, distribution of clean water. Cars rather than wagons full of excrement from horses in the cities did far more for contagion control than did vaccines coming much later after the health of the nation's people. Add electrical refrigeration. Proponents of improving the health of 3rd world countries thru vaccination would do far more good for those people by improving their nutrition, providing clean water, and building better roads and obtaining buses for those people so that they can reach medical care easily..
We need to understand that herd immunity really has NOTHING to do with vaccination rates, it's about curtailing and ultimately stopping the spread of any disease which can be accomplished in a number of ways from sanitation to better nutrition to a healthier population. I guess if the "fish tank" is really dirty and the people are dumbed down then dirty vaccines are your only choice.
You're too nice... too trusting. Too much 'love-of-the-human-race.' I see all your 'lessons learned' and I wish you had come to me. i promise you I would have set up road blocks for each and every one of these issues... and more besides.
I am so sorry.
Tried to respond to your email to me but your system blocked me just for no real reason even though I'm on your mailing list! I'm a real human Aussie health consultant, AI developer and follower/promoter of your work, and I emailed you this message, for the benefit of you, your team and your readers:
Hi Steve,
Asking any public AI about critical medical and political questions will invoke their compromised mainstream narrative guardrails. I know, after my own endless frustration with the rubbish 'out there'. I've been working for the last 2 years for a US colleague/fellow natural health advocate on assessing and training an AI LLM on just these critical subjects, as well as agency capture, false flags, etc. If you want to get 99.9% truth on such subjects, go check out brightanswers.ai
It's free to use, no credit card, has never been trained on internet slop, Wikipedia or mainstream narratives, but on personally curated references including over 250,000 scientific papers and increasing daily, and thousands of books and podcasts of people in the medical truth and freedom field.
warm regards,
Dianne
I appreciated reading your comment, particularly about the mainstream narrative guardrails. These AI systems all have them because of one flaw- they are all developed by human beings with their own biases and prejudices. Some models are more bias than others. The day will come when they’re all integrated into one global system of “truth” for all humans everywhere. It already takes an inordinate amount of digging to separate fact from fiction regardless of the subject. I just had an argument with ChatGPT for misquoting a scripture which changed the entire context. When I questioned it said “good catch….”
I pressed it about why it had done so, and it began to accuse me of making accusations against IT!
It finally relented and apologized. But the fact is, these AI models are all designed by those with their own worldview biases and it definitely comes across in their responses…., or lack thereof.
Thank you for the link.
The number one problem in these debates is that we talk harms and the other side is always arguing benefits/efficacy. The first thing you have to get the other side to agree to is which side of the equation they’re going to stick to and then just talk about that.
The better topic is harms since once those are characterized, the benefits don’t matter anymore. You win both sides by debating one side.
The problem is the provax set cannot talk about harms because they don’t think they exist.
Maybe meeting them where they are and just talking about the lackluster benefits is a the only way to stay on the same topic.
Of course those two creatures would never admit anything. These guys are hired goons.
STEVETO ME THE ABOVE DOES NOT APPLY AS IT WAS NEVER A VACCINE IN ANY WAY. IT WAS GENETIC MODIFICATION DONE BY THE CIA SO ALREADY EXSISTED.. IT ALTERED ONES DNA AND CONTAINED SPIKE PROTINE THAT REPRODUCED ITSELF. SPIKE PROTINE IS NOT NATURAL TO THE HUMAN BODIE,
IT WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A POISNOUS JAB LIKE SNAKE VENOM. WITH SPIKE PROTINE IN IT. GLOBALISTS AIM WAS TO REDUCE THE WORLDS GLOBAL POPULATION. THOSE WHO DID NOT HAVE THE JAB GOT NATURAL IMMUNITY.LIKE MYSELF. VITAMIN D 5000 MG +++ OTHERS A MUST. I ALSO TRUSTED GOD IN IT.. BIG PHARMA WILL NEVER RELEASE ITS CONTENTS AS IT WOULD PROVE IT WAS NOT A VACCINE.. I DID SEE A CONTENT ONCE AS A MISTAKE SO FAST REMOVED SO DONE IN ERROR. .
I was there, front row (you may remember that I said "hi" to you and Pierre behind the curtain before the debate started.) You may also remember that I chimed in because the other side was so preposterous, and then I got yelled at by the moderator. I'm an attorney and a debate champion (obviously from school days.) If you want to debate again and would be open to some pointers to really "win", feel free to DM me or ask Pierre (through J; but he also may still have my phone number) to connect us.
I sent you an email!
Oh - my comment was directed to Steve (I was at *his* debate and met him), so I'm confused by what you mean :-), and also I don't have any email from you (nor do you know my email address :-) ).
EDIT: It seems like this account is connected to VSRF/Steve, so maybe it's an alt-account (which would make more sense.) You can DM me within Substack, too.
Full disclosure I have not watched the debate yet, but after reading your summary it reminds me of the debate I just watched with Jillian Michael’s vs Body Positivity activists regarding health. Every point Jillian made rooted in scientific studies were completely ignored. I could feel her frustration as she patiently made valid points which were sourced and cited - but since there was no moderator or any baseline agreement on scientific studies or evidence, her opponents merely talked past her or disregarded her information completely. Some claimed “I disagree with all that!” How can you disagree with the factual outcome of dozens of studies? I mean how can you have a debate when one side gets to completely ignore factual evidence??? It was incredibly frustrating and your description of the vaccine debate sounds just like this. https://youtu.be/M7K87rGoGps?si=nTnHu3CNlodwpwqq
"rooted in scientific studies"....that's interesting, I'll take a watch and break down her claim(s) directly from the studies she cites if available.
Would love a second opinion from someone who actually reads the studies and not just the abstract or worse, a summary of the study. I admit, I didn’t look up and personally review any of them that she references, but I generally take the time to review the actual studies when I stake my claim on something. I did this quite a lot with ivermectin vs Paxlovid and mulnopiravir during Covid. What an eye opener that was!
Here was an eye opener for me:
https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/how-to-cherry-pick-data-to-scam-people?r=6hgshq
Showed me RFK Jr can’t even read a scientific study.
The main lesson that you seem incapable of learning is to not engage in any more debates. They are adversarial by nature, making it quite difficult to find anyone willing to participate in such an unpleasant activity. They are also difficult to organize in a way that guarantees that both participants will for sure stick to the rules and conditions of the debate. And finally, whatever debate manages to take place has an extremely low probability of changing public opinion regarding the topic under discussion in the debate. In short, the debate road you can't seem to stop pursuing leads to nowhere productive.
Should we just stick to podcasts? I think it’s a good idea to keep trying with more than 1 format.
What should be prioritized is presenting people important information, no matter the format. Steve has spent way too much time devising and issuing all sorts of debate proposals, all of which, except for one (which turned into being an unwatchable event because the moderator allowed endless interruptions and personal attacks to occur), have been ignored. If Steve had spent just a tiny fraction of the time he's spent on creating and issuing debate proposals in informing you and others about Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche's strongly-held and scientifically well-supported belief that the covid virus has not evolved into an endemic form, but instead continues to evolve in a way that likely will become highly virulent and fatal to those who received the mRNA covid shot, then he would have provided an extremely valuable service to you and others--because of that information's life-saving impact.