Okay, I watched the second one and if anything he appeared even more clueless. You asked about all those bad outcomes in all are nearly every pregnant woman in the Pfizer RCT. He had no evidence that this limited data strongly suggested that their mRNA shot was at best not for pregnant women? He also countered your very valid concerns about Fauci's Remdesivir being part of the standard of medical care for people hospitalized with a serious COVID pheumonia. If anything he seemed to confuse "Run Death Is Near" [made by Gilead I believe] with the antibodies Trump got from Regeneron. Maybe Trump got both but all the evidence I ahve seen shows Remdesivir increased the risk of dying whereas the antibody likely benefited Trump. Jenna - You know far more about the science and what it does and does not support than Dr. Spencer does. You appear to be taken by something he is pretty good at and that is being a very good smoozer. The guy could never win a real debate about COVID with someone like Steve or even me or you. Food For Thought
Pierre Cory said he was given ivm. Hard to otherwise explain his rather miraculous 2-day recovery otherwise. Although he does have an immune system which is apparently capable of regrowing ears in only a few days. :)
Well not according to Gemini. However, dexamethazone and the Regeneron antibodies are likely when led to DJT's quick recovery: "No, publicly available information from the time of his illness indicates that then-President Trump was not given Ivermectin for COVID-19. Instead, his medical team administered a variety of other treatments, including an experimental monoclonal antibody cocktail, remdesivir, and dexamethasone.
Trump was treated with a number of drugs in October 2020 at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, but Ivermectin was not among them. The specific treatments he received were:
An experimental Regeneron monoclonal antibody treatment (casirivimab and imdevimab) via an intravenous infusion. This was provided under a "compassionate use" request as it was not yet authorized for public use.
A five-day course of the antiviral drug remdesivir.
The corticosteroid dexamethasone, which is used in severe cases to calm the immune system." Gemini [Google's AI]
I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment! I agree, I did not ask all the things I wanted to ask and I told him that and he agreed to a follow up. I respected that he was willing to engage in the first place. I believe that there are many many snakes out there, but I also have come to believe that there are some truly misguided sheep. Those are my favorite because they still represent hope! If you would like to be part of an interview panel, let me know.😊
My expertise was primarily in nutrition science and clinical nutrition but I was always fascinated by how easily people could be conned into all sorts of dubious claims [nutrition quackery basically]. The way people fell for Fauci dubious and even contradictory claims back in 2020 seemed similar to the way people would cling to some charlatan touting some new [or recycled] fad supplement or diet. I favor education to indoctrination. Many times the quacks believe their own scientifically meritless claims, but sometimes they just get duped by some other quack with a convincing [to the uneducated] and become followers. IMO - Dr. Spencer got duped [or indoctrinated] into the Fauci cult, as did the majority of MDs who are surprisely bad at understanding what the best scientific data suggest is or is not most likely true. FFT
Dr. Spencer would be destroyed by Steve Kirsch [Hell I could destroy his blind faith in mRNA vaccines]. One example, he had no rebuttal to the mysterious blood clots that most embalmers started seeing not in 2020 but in 2021. He said he did see them. Well he refused to even acknowledge that they existed! By denying their existence or believing they were a sick hoax he evaded the obvious retort as to how or why they went from never being seen to suddenly being seen by most embalmers were pulling them out of a decent % of the bodies they were embalming. And we know the so-called healthcare bureaucrats were doing everything they could to shut the embalmers up. Why was that necessary? I just watched the first interview. I'll post again after I get a chance to see your second one.
getting these medical people to the discussion table is even more difficult than getting people to speak out publicly after they've been vaccine-injured.
Many vaccine injured don't want to challenge the narrative and be labeled an anti-vaxxer.
Indeed. Hard to believe but true. Imagine you were a high priest in historic times in the cult of chucking virgins in volcanoes to make it rain. Imagine you had a nice palace and tons of status of money and you were about to marry into the royal family. Life is good. Then up pops some guy who claims he can statistically prove that there is absolutely no correlation between sacrificing virgins and raining. Would you debate that guy?
Steve, I read the entire well written review of the CHD gathering written by Dr Spencer. If he was the only needle knuckle head in attendance then we are making progress. The others’ indifference is tantamount to fear. Deep down their humanity is weeping - if they still have any.
You have the tenacity of a honey badger in pursuit of truth. Makes me sad to see you use the word never, but if anyone has that right, it is Steve Kirsch.
Just read the review by craig spencer. I gotta disagree that it is well-written. Well articulated, i guess... like good grammar points. But for someone who was ostensibly open to other points of view, he seemed to dismiss everything at the CHD conference as emotional rather than empirical.
Here's the thing. This HAS already happened and we won. You, campbell, malone, weinstein, malhotra, some other phd i read about recently and can't remember the name, and many others, all started out on the side of thinking that these "vaccines" were going to be a good thing. They all saw the effects, they all saw the data, and they changed sides. So the argument that you want to have with these people has actually played out several times, and many of them have changed sides and now see the truth. So you could get one of these doctors to agree with you and you could win and they could change sides too, but it's not going to change the mainstream narrative unfortunately. That person will just become the latest Pariah of the MSM. PERHAPS the one difference is the exposure it would get... and maybe that becomes some tipping point for more to see the light. But i am starting to think that all who would convert, already have. The rest have religious mindsets, not scientific ones, and short of their own mrna-induced death, won't see the light.
We really need like a "60 minutes" level, mainstream investigative story, from a source that many "boomers" trust, and that will be a tipping point. The fear that keeps people from telling their stories or seeing/admitting the truth will start to melt like cotton candy.
Ya know -- I think they already do "see the light" -- they're AFRAID to admit it. Those well-educated people can't be THAT STUPID ... can they??? But they easily can be VERY AFRAID.
If you watched the presentation to the ACIP Committee by Aaron Siri you will have noted how bent out of shape Dr. Cody Meissner was. He completely ignored everything that was presented to him as if he could not hear or read. Nothing he said made any sense. This is what you are up against. These indoctrinated doctors cannot see a proof when it is presented to them. They will walk blindly over a cliff screaming they are right. Keep up the excellent work as you are definitely making a difference.
A lot of these doctors have been indoctrinated by the many pHarma funded and controlled institutions. Many doctors took the bioweapon themselves and still cannot see the harm this iatrogenic assault has inflicted upon the masses. The belief in the money these dangerous products generate, encourages blind obedience from those who have no moral or ethical backbone.
The one thing I always remind my "normy" friends, "if you haven't heard a scientific debate about Covid or the injections then how can you be so sure that you're getting the full story?"
Don't we want to hear two experts with opposing positions debate and discuss their science data?
I certainly do.
The majority of the normies don't believe there's any scientific data to discuss. And thanks to the cowards like Offit, they perpetuate the publics ignorance by not engaging in a discussion.
I think it's time to fake them out and get Steve on mainstream media through a fake Dr. with a Kirsch earpiece.
Excellent letter but I doubt he will respond. People like him believe and trust in science but refuse to look at the facts and verified data or even if they do, they ignore it. That is NOT scientific.
Is this situation not a parallel to the days of Catholic persecution of anyone who would reject Catholic mythology, by comparing it to clear, straight passages from the Bible? While the current medical "orthodoxy" does not burn people at the stake, it persecutes all questioners to the fullest, or simply refuses to talk. Anytime someone with opposite opinion refuses to look at facts and enter into discussion, regardless of the subject, I know assuredly that such person is afraid, and fear comes from knowing that you are wrong.
Man. The pro-vaxers must be making a lot of money to ignore the facts and refuse to discuss this. These people are, in effect, murderers…for money. Damn.
I can’t wait to see people start admitting that certainly by December 2020 it was obvious that no one needed to take any measures whatsoever against Covid! No healthy people were at risk. Probably everyone had had it by then and had acquired whatever natural immunity was available, and, anyway, viruses mutate and of course the reported COVID-19 virus must have mutated by then! Anyway, Steve, great article. I want to see people start seeing the light. You are doing great work.
I’m so proud of you Steve. You are spot on it is their religion. Straight from hell because the devil is a liar!!! The father of lies. Keep up the fight. We appreciate every thing you doing.
So, just looking at his CV - it strikes me that this man is more of an Intelligence Operative, than he is a physician. Let's be real here. The CDC operates an Intelligence Agency, which does the same sorts of clandestine work, as all of the rest. Dissemination of fraudulent narratives, being a very common element of tradecraft - do we have any good reasons, to disbelieve that this member of the CFR and the credibly accused "Doctors Without Borders", wouldn't have been assigned to the CHD conference for the purposes of narrative control and perception management?
Steve - your tenacity in pursuit of truth was described as a honey badgerish. That made me chuckle. The more these the establishment refuses to debate a man of your status, scholarship, independence and obvious intellect the more they strengthen your arguments and weaken their own. The more they ignore you, the stronger you get. It is like a play ground fight. The crowd (us) knows full well the boy who refuses to fight is scared he will lose and that is why he refuses. Your 1800 publications have proved for my family and in my circle that you are right and they are wrong. Their refusal to engage only increases our view. I further believe that you have the fame, reputation, history, independence and ability to redefine medical science and ethics if not the whole of what science itself has sadly become in our times. Are you a member of the American Academy of Sciences? In our view you should be its President. We would vote for you in that capacity in a heart beat.
If they agreed to an honest talk they’d have to admit they helped kill tens of millions innocent men, women & children. Still happening. Never going to happen! They deserve the death penalty. 😢🙏🏻
Unfortunately Steve, your comment on “ covid vaccines were the biggest mistake In medical history “ is incorrect! Most believe this was calculated and deliberate attack on humanity!! A “mistake” infers it was miscalculated endeavour made in a rush to help humanity!! Too many variables say otherwise!
Steve, I have interviewed Dr. Spencer and he has already agreed to a follow up… Perhaps you could join me?
great job. for sure!
I'll believe this when I see/hear it
That would be something!!
https://open.substack.com/pub/jennamccarthy/p/i-interviewed-the-fauci-fanboy-i?
Okay, I watched the second one and if anything he appeared even more clueless. You asked about all those bad outcomes in all are nearly every pregnant woman in the Pfizer RCT. He had no evidence that this limited data strongly suggested that their mRNA shot was at best not for pregnant women? He also countered your very valid concerns about Fauci's Remdesivir being part of the standard of medical care for people hospitalized with a serious COVID pheumonia. If anything he seemed to confuse "Run Death Is Near" [made by Gilead I believe] with the antibodies Trump got from Regeneron. Maybe Trump got both but all the evidence I ahve seen shows Remdesivir increased the risk of dying whereas the antibody likely benefited Trump. Jenna - You know far more about the science and what it does and does not support than Dr. Spencer does. You appear to be taken by something he is pretty good at and that is being a very good smoozer. The guy could never win a real debate about COVID with someone like Steve or even me or you. Food For Thought
Trump got Ivermectin didn’t he, when he got Covid?
I do not believe Trump took ivermectin [or hydroxychloroquin] for his COVID.
Pierre Cory said he was given ivm. Hard to otherwise explain his rather miraculous 2-day recovery otherwise. Although he does have an immune system which is apparently capable of regrowing ears in only a few days. :)
Well not according to Gemini. However, dexamethazone and the Regeneron antibodies are likely when led to DJT's quick recovery: "No, publicly available information from the time of his illness indicates that then-President Trump was not given Ivermectin for COVID-19. Instead, his medical team administered a variety of other treatments, including an experimental monoclonal antibody cocktail, remdesivir, and dexamethasone.
Trump was treated with a number of drugs in October 2020 at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, but Ivermectin was not among them. The specific treatments he received were:
An experimental Regeneron monoclonal antibody treatment (casirivimab and imdevimab) via an intravenous infusion. This was provided under a "compassionate use" request as it was not yet authorized for public use.
A five-day course of the antiviral drug remdesivir.
The corticosteroid dexamethasone, which is used in severe cases to calm the immune system." Gemini [Google's AI]
I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment! I agree, I did not ask all the things I wanted to ask and I told him that and he agreed to a follow up. I respected that he was willing to engage in the first place. I believe that there are many many snakes out there, but I also have come to believe that there are some truly misguided sheep. Those are my favorite because they still represent hope! If you would like to be part of an interview panel, let me know.😊
My expertise was primarily in nutrition science and clinical nutrition but I was always fascinated by how easily people could be conned into all sorts of dubious claims [nutrition quackery basically]. The way people fell for Fauci dubious and even contradictory claims back in 2020 seemed similar to the way people would cling to some charlatan touting some new [or recycled] fad supplement or diet. I favor education to indoctrination. Many times the quacks believe their own scientifically meritless claims, but sometimes they just get duped by some other quack with a convincing [to the uneducated] and become followers. IMO - Dr. Spencer got duped [or indoctrinated] into the Fauci cult, as did the majority of MDs who are surprisely bad at understanding what the best scientific data suggest is or is not most likely true. FFT
Dr. Spencer would be destroyed by Steve Kirsch [Hell I could destroy his blind faith in mRNA vaccines]. One example, he had no rebuttal to the mysterious blood clots that most embalmers started seeing not in 2020 but in 2021. He said he did see them. Well he refused to even acknowledge that they existed! By denying their existence or believing they were a sick hoax he evaded the obvious retort as to how or why they went from never being seen to suddenly being seen by most embalmers were pulling them out of a decent % of the bodies they were embalming. And we know the so-called healthcare bureaucrats were doing everything they could to shut the embalmers up. Why was that necessary? I just watched the first interview. I'll post again after I get a chance to see your second one.
getting these medical people to the discussion table is even more difficult than getting people to speak out publicly after they've been vaccine-injured.
Many vaccine injured don't want to challenge the narrative and be labeled an anti-vaxxer.
Indeed. Hard to believe but true. Imagine you were a high priest in historic times in the cult of chucking virgins in volcanoes to make it rain. Imagine you had a nice palace and tons of status of money and you were about to marry into the royal family. Life is good. Then up pops some guy who claims he can statistically prove that there is absolutely no correlation between sacrificing virgins and raining. Would you debate that guy?
Yep - Steve would be that guy who pops up! 😃💪🏼
What you describe is,in truth, the face of true evil.
Steve, I read the entire well written review of the CHD gathering written by Dr Spencer. If he was the only needle knuckle head in attendance then we are making progress. The others’ indifference is tantamount to fear. Deep down their humanity is weeping - if they still have any.
You have the tenacity of a honey badger in pursuit of truth. Makes me sad to see you use the word never, but if anyone has that right, it is Steve Kirsch.
Keep fighting the good fight!
Just read the review by craig spencer. I gotta disagree that it is well-written. Well articulated, i guess... like good grammar points. But for someone who was ostensibly open to other points of view, he seemed to dismiss everything at the CHD conference as emotional rather than empirical.
Here's the thing. This HAS already happened and we won. You, campbell, malone, weinstein, malhotra, some other phd i read about recently and can't remember the name, and many others, all started out on the side of thinking that these "vaccines" were going to be a good thing. They all saw the effects, they all saw the data, and they changed sides. So the argument that you want to have with these people has actually played out several times, and many of them have changed sides and now see the truth. So you could get one of these doctors to agree with you and you could win and they could change sides too, but it's not going to change the mainstream narrative unfortunately. That person will just become the latest Pariah of the MSM. PERHAPS the one difference is the exposure it would get... and maybe that becomes some tipping point for more to see the light. But i am starting to think that all who would convert, already have. The rest have religious mindsets, not scientific ones, and short of their own mrna-induced death, won't see the light.
We really need like a "60 minutes" level, mainstream investigative story, from a source that many "boomers" trust, and that will be a tipping point. The fear that keeps people from telling their stories or seeing/admitting the truth will start to melt like cotton candy.
Ya know -- I think they already do "see the light" -- they're AFRAID to admit it. Those well-educated people can't be THAT STUPID ... can they??? But they easily can be VERY AFRAID.
If you watched the presentation to the ACIP Committee by Aaron Siri you will have noted how bent out of shape Dr. Cody Meissner was. He completely ignored everything that was presented to him as if he could not hear or read. Nothing he said made any sense. This is what you are up against. These indoctrinated doctors cannot see a proof when it is presented to them. They will walk blindly over a cliff screaming they are right. Keep up the excellent work as you are definitely making a difference.
Yes Meissner is part of the 'Vaccines, Amen' cult. There is no reasoning when he believes that all vaccines are "safe and effective".
Read Aaron Siri's brillant new book: 'Vaccines, Amen' . 🙏
A lot of these doctors have been indoctrinated by the many pHarma funded and controlled institutions. Many doctors took the bioweapon themselves and still cannot see the harm this iatrogenic assault has inflicted upon the masses. The belief in the money these dangerous products generate, encourages blind obedience from those who have no moral or ethical backbone.
You got it ... RIGHT ON TARGET ... these people are LACKING MORAL OR ETHICAL BACKBONE ...
Indoctrinated by Gates $$$$
The one thing I always remind my "normy" friends, "if you haven't heard a scientific debate about Covid or the injections then how can you be so sure that you're getting the full story?"
Don't we want to hear two experts with opposing positions debate and discuss their science data?
I certainly do.
The majority of the normies don't believe there's any scientific data to discuss. And thanks to the cowards like Offit, they perpetuate the publics ignorance by not engaging in a discussion.
I think it's time to fake them out and get Steve on mainstream media through a fake Dr. with a Kirsch earpiece.
Excellent letter but I doubt he will respond. People like him believe and trust in science but refuse to look at the facts and verified data or even if they do, they ignore it. That is NOT scientific.
Is this situation not a parallel to the days of Catholic persecution of anyone who would reject Catholic mythology, by comparing it to clear, straight passages from the Bible? While the current medical "orthodoxy" does not burn people at the stake, it persecutes all questioners to the fullest, or simply refuses to talk. Anytime someone with opposite opinion refuses to look at facts and enter into discussion, regardless of the subject, I know assuredly that such person is afraid, and fear comes from knowing that you are wrong.
Man. The pro-vaxers must be making a lot of money to ignore the facts and refuse to discuss this. These people are, in effect, murderers…for money. Damn.
I can’t wait to see people start admitting that certainly by December 2020 it was obvious that no one needed to take any measures whatsoever against Covid! No healthy people were at risk. Probably everyone had had it by then and had acquired whatever natural immunity was available, and, anyway, viruses mutate and of course the reported COVID-19 virus must have mutated by then! Anyway, Steve, great article. I want to see people start seeing the light. You are doing great work.
Way to shoot from the hip with this letter...
I've given up on "the data", all that matters is my observations.
I’m so proud of you Steve. You are spot on it is their religion. Straight from hell because the devil is a liar!!! The father of lies. Keep up the fight. We appreciate every thing you doing.
None of the pro vaccines mob dare to debate as they are all yellow cowards and know they are liars
Though unsure of this origin of this quote (Mark Twain?), its premise is still true.
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
So, just looking at his CV - it strikes me that this man is more of an Intelligence Operative, than he is a physician. Let's be real here. The CDC operates an Intelligence Agency, which does the same sorts of clandestine work, as all of the rest. Dissemination of fraudulent narratives, being a very common element of tradecraft - do we have any good reasons, to disbelieve that this member of the CFR and the credibly accused "Doctors Without Borders", wouldn't have been assigned to the CHD conference for the purposes of narrative control and perception management?
Steve - your tenacity in pursuit of truth was described as a honey badgerish. That made me chuckle. The more these the establishment refuses to debate a man of your status, scholarship, independence and obvious intellect the more they strengthen your arguments and weaken their own. The more they ignore you, the stronger you get. It is like a play ground fight. The crowd (us) knows full well the boy who refuses to fight is scared he will lose and that is why he refuses. Your 1800 publications have proved for my family and in my circle that you are right and they are wrong. Their refusal to engage only increases our view. I further believe that you have the fame, reputation, history, independence and ability to redefine medical science and ethics if not the whole of what science itself has sadly become in our times. Are you a member of the American Academy of Sciences? In our view you should be its President. We would vote for you in that capacity in a heart beat.
If they agreed to an honest talk they’d have to admit they helped kill tens of millions innocent men, women & children. Still happening. Never going to happen! They deserve the death penalty. 😢🙏🏻
Unfortunately Steve, your comment on “ covid vaccines were the biggest mistake In medical history “ is incorrect! Most believe this was calculated and deliberate attack on humanity!! A “mistake” infers it was miscalculated endeavour made in a rush to help humanity!! Too many variables say otherwise!