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The only proof I'll accept is if both sides miniaturize a submarine with themselves and Raquel Welch in it and inject themselves into a human being. Then just give me a full report.

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The real reason I now refuse to debate Steve Kirsch (hint: it's not what Steve tells his readers)

Posted July 24, 2022:

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/why-i-now-refuse-to-debate-steve-kirsch-or-richard-fleming-or-kevin-mccairn/

In response to Steve Kirsch’s latest false and misleading hit-piece on my colleagues and I….

Incident #1:

January 2022: Steve issued a debate challenge, then ran away

On January 10, 2022 I wrote an open letter to Steve Kirsch.

Steve then contacted me and challenged me to a 5 hour zoom call between myself and “his experts”. I said “no”, that’s ridiculous.

Steve then published misleading comments about his “offer”, giving the impression to his readers that I could also have a team and that the call did not have to last 5 hours, etc.

So then I contacted Steve and said fine, if those are your terms, then fine I will debate you.

(Dr. Andrew Kaufman, Dr. Tom Cowan, Drs. Sam and Mark Bailey, and Dr. Stefano Scoglio agreed to join the debate. Dr. Kaufman was in communication with Steve to arrange the details and was working on a focused debate question and rules of engagement. Below is a draft from Dr. Kaufman:

"Debate question:

The published experiments on the isolation and in silico genome sequencing prove the existence of the SARS-CoV-2 “virus.” True or False?

The purpose of this debate is to engage in a healthy scientific discussion. The spirit and philosophy of scientific inquiry demands attempting to refute all theories until it is clear they are irrefutable. This debate rekindles that spirit and serves to advance the state of truthful knowledge about the natural world. As such, the debate must only include scientific arguments. The focus is on the experimental procedures used to allege the existence of viruses, in particular SARS-CoV-2. Have these methods demonstrated the existence of a real biological entity found in nature or are they a misinterpretation resulting from the experimental procedure itself? Why have virologists been unable to extract and purify viral particles directly from the host? Why do they rely on computer computation to construct a genome? Have proper control experiments been done? If not, why?)"

Steve then suddenly sent me a strange email regarding the fake measles virus. This was the first time he had even mentioned measles to me and my position on measles virus was already on the public record. I wrote back to Steve within 11 minutes with my answer.

Nevertheless, Steve then announced on his blog that he was no longer willing to debate us because I would not answer his questions about measles virus!

“My side” was still quite willing to debate someone.

Emails showing my above claims to be true are here:

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/01-2022-Steve-Kirsch-communication-PACKAGE-updated.pdf

Incident #2:

February 2022: I tried to take Kirsch, McCullough and Hodkinson up on their new debate challenges but they ran and made excuses.

See all of the emails here:

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Hodkinson-wont-debate.pdf

Incident #3:

June 2022: Steve and Kevin McKernan behaved like rude, unreasonable children while I was busy preparing for criminal court, etc.

Just days after Dr. Tom Cowan announced a new challenge that would soon be presented to the virus-pushers of this world, Steve suddenly contacted me (as usual addressing me as though we had been speaking just 5 minutes ealier) and issued a new debate challenge – as though he hadn’t already run from 2 debates.

Steve made ridiculous demands and failed to demonstrate good faith. And a new twist: denying that he had ever issued a previous debate challenge!

And in Steve’s mind it was up to my colleagues and I to forgive and forget his earlier shenanigans and confirm our availability before he would even disclose whether he had anyone willing to participate on his side.

The emails are here:

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1-13.pdf

Incident #4:

July 2022:

I sent the new Virus Challenge to Steve;

Steve wanted to change the challenge to suit his purposes and suggested “my team” debate Richard Fleming (and suggested it might take 40 years or more to prove a “virus” exists!);

Fleming contacted me for a debate, insisted that Kirsch and Kevin “potty mouth” McCairn be involved, then many emails later claimed I’m not qualified to debate him;

Steve published a false reason for why I’m not debating Fleming;

Kevin McCairn was wildly vulgar and disrespectful.

I will soon be compiling and publishing all of the recent emails between myself, Steve Kirsch, Richard Fleming and Kevin McCairn, here in a pdf. And I am blocking all three of these “men” from my life, forever. Below is an example of why.

On July 18, 2022 after the July email exchanges mentioned above, Steve published his (at least) 3rd false and misleading hit-piece about my colleagues and I:

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/settling-the-virus-debate-challenge

And finally, I have to ask:

Why does anyone even care what Steve “I rely on other people’s opinions” Kirsch has to say on this topic?

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