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omarj's avatar

De Novo Sequencing by which company? Illumina? Tell me you're not seriously going to mention this without also mentioning the obvious financial conflicts of interest that this company (and other companies) have and the direct incentive they have to FIND whatever they want to find.

I'm talking about the same Illumina that had former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb on their Board of Directors. Gottlieb was also on the Board of Directors at Pfizer, along with his buddy, James Smith (who spent the bulk of his career as President and CEO of Reuters). Smith was the Chairman of the Board.

When Gottlieb was FDA Commissioner, the FDA granted Emergency Use Authorization to Illumina for a "Sequencing-Based COVID-19 Diagnostic Test"(In other words, he granted Emergency Use Authorization to himself, or his other company, Pfizer). Then his buddy James Smith’s Company (Reuters) "fact-checks" in their favor.

So Scott Gottlieb sits on the Board of Pfizer (which stands to make money via the manufacturing and sale of vaccines based on the successful sequence of coronavirus) and his other company is providing the machine that does the alleged “sequencing” - which they all profit handsomely from. This is a direct, undeniable conflict of interest.

Then when honest scientists explain why it wasn’t property isolated or sequenced, James Smith uses his fake fact-checking company to “debunk” these claims so that these criminals can continue scamming the world and making more money. This is also a direct conflict of interest.

And you're participating in this crime, Steve. Without mentioning the company that actually manufactures these fraudulent "sequencing" machines, how do you expect ANYONE who has done their homework to take you seriously?

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

de novo sequencing by ANYONE.

where is your evidence that the machines are biased? Please post a link. that would be helpful. thanks.

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Allen's avatar

You really don't know how any of this works do you?

You don't really seem to know much about anything. You might want to start looking around for better advisers who can at least make the quackery sound more intelligible.

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omarj's avatar

Where's your evidence that the machines are legitimate? Post a link. That would be helpful. Shouldn't you at least be skeptical about these machines, since they are manufactured by these shady companies and the entire "sequencing process" was fully controlled by the same organizations that are trying to sell vaccines? You're shilling hard for the vaccine companies, Steve. Everyone here can see that.

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pcwFreedom's avatar

Machines follow a program from a programmer - who is paid by an owner - who is part of a group/class. Of course they have an agenda- what an incredibly naïve question - have we not just lived though the greatest psyop of our lives..

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Allen's avatar

He doesn't know anything.

The machine just shows up and magically starts creating sequences.

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omarj's avatar

Your level of dishonesty is really quite extraordinary, Steve. You throw around these terms like “muh sequencing” and wave your magic wand without actually telling your readers about the real fraud of sequencing machines. So, let’s talk about ”sequencing” with another example from the Lancet:

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant Among Vaccinated Healthcare Workers, Vietnam

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733

In the paper above, they claim they “sequenced the virus” using the ARTIC Protocol which comes from the ARTIC Network. The ARTIC Network is funded by the Wellcome Trust, founded by pharmaceutical pioneer Henry Wellcome, current investment portfolio worth well over 30 billion UK pounds.

Wellcome is heavily invested in promoting zero-carbon schemes and pushing Agenda 2030 Climate Change lies and propaganda. They are also active participants in GAVI, CEPI and WHO.

The Wellcome Fund has a direct financial conflict of interest in that IF they can successfully “sequence” a “virus” - these findings would lead to the development of a vaccine from which they will all reap the rewards and profit hundreds of billions of dollars. Their director is Jeremy Farrer who is a direct member of SAGE, which is a body of the UK Government.

The COVID-19 Therapeutics Accelerator (CTA) started in March 2020 with support from Wellcome, Mastercard and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

At the Wellcome Sanger Institute, 200 staff volunteered to contribute to sequencing the viral genomes in 180,000 samples from Covid-19 infections. The institute helped fund the effort which was part of the Covid-19 Genomics UK Consortium.

Some of their direct shareholders include Microsoft, Johnson & Johnson, Novartis, Amazon, Visa, Berkshire Hathaway, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Cisco, Alphabet/Google, Apple, Facebook, Unilver, etc.

The ARTIC NETWORK and Wellcome had a direct financial incentive to “find” a virus or variant via “sequencing” - If they couldn’t find one, then GAVI, The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the rest of these racketeers that you pretend you’re fighting against would fire them and hire another company whose machine WOULD find them.

The fact that you make NO MENTION WHATSOEVER about who funded these so called “sequencing” efforts, where the sequencing machines come from or the conflicts of interest that all these folks have in “finding” whatever they want to find, betrays your agenda, Steve. All of the sequencing efforts were produced by the VERY SAME PEOPLE you PRETEND YOU’RE FIGHTING AGAINST.

You’re a liar and a fraud and you’ve exposed yourself for all to see.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

muh sequencing? Never heard of that.

Where is your EVIDENCE that the sequences can't be replicated?

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Lloyd Miller's avatar

"Muh Sequencing" means "faith based" or "authority based" belief in the valididty of whole virus sequencing. I'd like to see you do a totally detailed exposition of how it is done. Really! I'm not saying this to discredit you.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

You should bet HEAVILY against me in the experiment I will propose to ascertain whether viruses exist.

And you completely fail to explain why labs which are completely independent of all special interests find the same sequence.

How do you explain that?

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Lloyd Miller's avatar

They all use the same methods.

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Allen's avatar

Imagine locking down the whole world for a computer software virus and calling it a pandemic.

That is what they did. Imagine when all these people find out they took a vaccine for a COMPUTER SOFTWARE VIRUS.

The “full genome” of any virus is not obtained by sequencing an entire intact “virus” that they have isolated, the product of cell culture experiment tainted with multiple sources of genetic material is taken and assembled via computer program into a “full genome.”

Genomic sequencing is a software trick. There is a virus (or whatever) template and you fit the nucleotides on this template, and voila-a new "virus" is created! It is a model on a computer that is 100% fabricated out of thin air.

Whatever one thinks about the "no virus" question it is an important question to work through as the likes of CEPI, GAVI, WHO, CSIS etc. and the governments run by financial parasites have made it perfectly clear that "waging endless war against viruses" is THE next phase of the Global War on 'Fill In the Blank' with copious funding (think trillions) going to these pathogenic Ponzi Schemes.

They plan to loot the public for the foreseeable future using "The Virus™" as their raison d'être. This is all being "war gamed" as we speak with plans for this to be THE cash cow for the Biosecurity Complex for the next many, many years.

So yes, this is more than a little relevant and goes far beyond the Covid Con.

Beyond the scientific and intellectual necessity of examining the entire discussion around germ theory the political and economic consequences simply can't be overstated. Why this discussion sets some people off is curious and quite irrational.

I am on familiar terms with the leading proponents of "no virus" and I can say without question that these are some extraordinarily thorough individuals who approach this with the utmost intellectual rigor.

It must also be noted that virtually all, if not all, of these individuals assert that "viruses have never been scientifically proven to exist" rather than the blanket statement, "viruses don't exist." There is a big difference between these two statements and again none of these individuals have come to this position casually. The burden of proof is on the claimant of the positive claim that an entity X does exist - those that argue that viruses exist nearly always turn this obligation on it's head for the obvious reason that they don't have evidence to support that claim.

For any who have looked into this with any detail to attention and honest scientific exactitude I can't see they could come away from their analysis with anything other than the conclusion that the process by which viruses are allegedly isolated is at best utterly preposterous when not outright fraudulent.

It's also extremely important to understand the history of how we got here.

Virology/Germ Theory have never been unique, solid scientific explorations or discoveries they were political maneuvers that were established by some of the more scurrilous scientific and political actors of the day, as is the case today, and supported financially and institutionally by the wealthiest robber-barons in the world- who then built another financial empire (the medical industry) on the backs of this quack theory.

The entire history of what is called "disease" is built on a foundation of lies and these lies are invented for less than savory purposes and to conceal the real causes of illness.

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

Since your own definition of a "virus" does not require proof that it is the sole cause of disease, then this is a circular argument that can never produce any data that is worth a crap.

People are trying to understand WHAT is actually causing disease in humans. The Control Group proved that vaccine-exposure is causing well-over 90% of the chronic illnesses. And the CDC proved that 94% of those who purportedly died of covid, already had an average of 2.6 comorbidities, i.e., chronic, life-shortening health conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease, cancers, major organ disorders, life-threatening allergies, etc..

So logic would tell us that the "thing" that puts people MOST at risk of dying, is getting injected with the older "soft-kill" vaccines, which we already know are responsible for MOST of these "comorbidities."

Ever consider the possibility that DNA fragments are ubiquitous? Ever consider the possibility that if a company has already patented a vaccine for a particular "disease" they're going to be highly motivated to claim an "outbreak" or a "pandemic" and start blaming sicknesses and deaths on that particular DNA fragment, one which they already know many people are already carrying, whether they're sick or not?

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Dave Smith's avatar

#1 ... "And the CDC proved that 94% of those who purportedly died of covid, already had an average of 2.6 comorbidities, i.e., chronic, life-shortening health conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease, cancers, major organ disorders, life-threatening allergies, etc.."

Thus, and after exhausting research, the biggest problem of these vaccines, is that it destroys the immune system and the immune system response mechanisms ... It has been shown, explained, and documented by those who are on the right side of history, and have been in that field for decades ...

#2 ... All major corporations, especially the nefarious ones, sell you problems, because they already have (and know) the answers, solutions, or cures ... Actually, a powerful strategic approach for anyone in business, and isn't nefarious ...

#3 ... I cannot verify this, but I was told in a video, 7-9 countries have gone to their supreme courts, with a COVID type case ... In all cases, the team that went to court won, because no pharmaceutical company could show proof, or prove the virus actually was real, and existed ... So, it was negligence when they harmed or killed someone, and they cannot prove why they did that ...

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

Nice expansion on the real issues here. What EXACTLY actually killed these people? Seems some people never want to address this particular question, claiming that if they can identify a certain "sequence" then this somehow proves what made someone sick or killed them.

It is my contention that even if we assume these DNA fragments are real, (i.e., that they "exist') it still doesn't prove that they are the cause of the diseases/deaths we're being told they caused. Finding vultures circling over a sick person in the desert, or even finding them ripping the person's flesh later, is not evidence that the vultures kill the person.

I LOVE throwing this line back at pharma: "Association is not causation." ;-)

Of course, when pharma uses that line, they're denying that, even though 80% of deaths reported by VAERS after injection are within HOURS of that injection, it must only be a coincidence. Even when someone drops dead within minutes of injection, pharma claims it's just a coincidence, due to the fact so MANY people (within the 99.74% vaccinated population) die in similar ways.

There's never any LOGIC to what is claimed by the medical/pharma industrial complex. And we know why.

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Dave Smith's avatar

Remember, the big lie and sneak attack, was that no vaccine death or illness was in the first 2 weeks of taking in the bioweapon ... Remember?

So, all of the millions who died within the first 2 weeks, were classified as "died from COVID" ... It was actually a guideline by the NIH, CDC, and FDA that if you died within the first 2 weeks, it "couldn't" have been from the bioweapons ... And, of course, they knew what they were doing ...

As far as those dying from their current conditions or ill-health, it was decided on by many of the world's finest ... And it went something like this:

Whatever was the health issue(s) of this individual, they were on some sort of medication that was prescribed ... Even though we know the toxicity of all medications, and that people die of the medication more than their actual health issue, when the spike proteins and 30+ venoms were injected, their immune system, which was already very taxed, couldn't handle the onslaught of the immense amount of new toxicity into their bodies ...

To add to that nastiness, the spike proteins effectively turn off the immune response mechanisms ... THUS, people on medications start asking for higher doses, more of them, and many times moving up to actual narcotics, just to help with what is wrong with them ...

When they become a spike protein factory, and their immune system is no more, it is a matter of time ... So, for many millions, the proverbial clock is ticking ...

PS: And as I stated before, poor Steve Kirsch ... He is stuck in the weeds, and can't pop his head up, and see the sunshine ... When you discuss the inner workings of what is or what isn't, the overall big picture never comes into focus ...

What we SHOULD be discussing, is how to kill spike proteins, and how to rid our bodies of graphene, or nano-particles ... They absolutely need them, with the mRNA, to create the transhuman movement ... Problem is, I'm not sure how many human beings will survive these toxic materials that should not be in any human ... Remember, it killed every single animal that was experimented on ...

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

I am convinced that this "spike protein" (that's being blamed for all the damage) is in reality an engineered, polymer-based, (GMO) nano-parasite which produces various venom peptides. Too many "symptoms" here that match perfectly with venom poisoning. There is also the issue of self-assembling graphene, which we now see has been covertly added to our food supply, and in many older pharmaceuticals.

Any way you slice it, THIS IS AN EXTERMINATION. And they've been at it for quite a while now, coming at us from all sides.

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Dave Smith's avatar

Spot on ... And to think, when I tell these sorts of things to a know-it-all sleepyhead, I am the one who is crazy, on drugs, or a sore sport Trump loser ...

We are the dumbest nation on this planet, and it is all planned ...

Just like the EVs and the Titanium mobile phones, spewing out radiation WAY off the charts that any human being should endure ... But, again, tell that to someone who is "conquered", and they stand up for and also fight for all their incredibly uninformed decisions ...

Same goes for all the smart one's who took in the bioweapons,

and say, "I feel fine!"

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omarj's avatar

Which labs? Which machines are they using? Do you think that intelligent people here can't see that what you're doing is actually LEGITIMIZING the fraudulent sequencing process for the direct benefit of the vaccine industry?

The game is up, Steve. It's clear what side you're really on.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

Sin Lee's lab verified all their ATCC samples matched up using a different sequencing method (Sanger sequencing). He's VERY independent.

But help me out... where is the HONEST lab which found a discrepancy? Please name it. Please don't keep this secret!

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Nikki Stowers's avatar

The "like" ratios on your own substack should be a clue as to how off you are on this.

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omarj's avatar

Begging the question / Circular reasoning / False Premise. First you should answer - WHICH SEQUENCING MACHINE did Sin Lee's Lab use and explain in detail how the sequencing process works. You're protecting Big Pharma and the Vaccine Industry. Why?

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

Finding a sequence is not evidence that it is the cause of disease.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

that's right. You need to apply the bradford hill criteria. Which criteria do you believe is not satisfied?

Remarkably, the sequence always comes BEFORE the disease.

Do you have a counterexample?

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Joy Lucette Garner's avatar

And again, there are MANY "sequences" that are NEVER tested for, which ALSO come "before" disease. Sometimes, when a person is weak and getting sick, and/or dying, it causes all sorts of things to "express" in their genetics. So you can CHOOSE a particular code to test for, and then CLAIM that this is the DNA fragment that CAUSED the disease/death.

And your statement that this sequence ALWAYS comes before the disease is entirely FALSE. Many people test "positive" for the sequence and are in no way "diseased" nor ever become diseased. The fact that SOME of the people who test positive later get sick, is NOT evidence that this particular particle, standing alone, is what CAUSED them to become "diseased."

And once again, vultures can be found circling BEFORE the person collapses in the desert. This is not evidence that the vultures are the cause of death.

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