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In terms of people like Drew and Dr. Gu, one must understand beliefs to change a mind.

BELIEFS: THE TABLE TOP MODEL

A belief is like a "table top" sitting upon four "legs" (supporting references).

Knock out the person's strongest supporting references using arguments/facts/data that they *already* believe. Steve is very good at getting people to come to common ground and shared agreements. These are the new "legs" to install under the new belief.

Focus in on only their *four* strongest references (arguments), not on all of them. Just four.

Replace their four most substantial and incorrect/biased reference points (challenge them using their own currently-held beliefs/arguments) with four new, more accurate, factual, and unbiased reference points (new legs) that they already believe, and that will support the new belief.

Old/limiting/unhelpful/dangerous belief is thus replaced by the new, more useful and empowering one.

Again, important to remember, is that you are only challenging FOUR core or primary reference points they are holding. You don't have to challenge all of them. Don't even try.

1. Identify their FOUR core reference points supporting their belief.

2. Find "common ground" references that support the new belief ("table top") you wish to "upgrade" them to.

3. Use those "common ground" references to undermine the current "legs" supporting their incorrect or limited belief

4. Install the new "common ground" reference points under the new belief and continue to solidify it with more and more factual references.

This will help if applied.

Also, find out their primary motivators (i.e. popularity, fame, money, etc) and their greatest aversions/fears (loss of approval, loss of friends, loss of status, loss of money, being seen as "wrong" etc.) and you will be much more effective in using their own values to help them change their mind.

For instance, if Drew is all into himself (see his many selfies on Instagram), then he is likely interested in his own self-image above anything else (he seems to be a self-absorbed narcissist like Dr. Gu, IMO), which he values far more than an impartial and unbiased search for truth or a carefully following of the scientific method and keeping an open mind.

Anything that threatens his primary motivators (values) will shut him down. If changing his belief will threaten his values/motivators (i.e. his popularity, being right, being seen as "smart," being part of the "in" group, being accepted by his tribe (Democrats), etc.) then he will immediately reject it and change the subject.

Your approach towards such people must be to appeal to the person's primary motivators, which in Drew's case do not appear to be very philanthropic in nature at all.

Ask questions like "How can this person see themselves as becoming even more loved, popular, and seen as "very smart" and "a hero" by recognizing the truth of what Steve has been sharing."

Everyone is playing the "What's in it for me?" mantra in their head 24/7.

Steve is clearly motivated by love of family and others. He is not motivated by money or fame. That is 100% clear to me.

Drew appears motivated by love of self (ego) and his insatiable need to be liked by those around him (fellow Democrats locked into the Fauci narrative).

Totally different motivations. That gap must be bridged somehow.

Anyway, just a few thoughts and insights to keep in mind.

Thanks for all you do. So deeply appreciated.

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