I showed it one slide and the underlying data. Grok said there were 3 explanations that were more likely than "net harm." After I dismantled each explanation, Grok had to admit I was right.
Fascinating, Steve. But, I see no evidence that the narrative is being changed at the institutional or political levels. Academia continues "all in" on the absurd vaxxx theory as the necessary road to "health". TPTB are developing, approving and promoting one new mRNA (bioweapon) after another. They are intent on depopulation, control of the herd, and above all - profit. I honestly cannot figure out how one can change this without violence and the shedding of a lot blood. There is NO justice and NO accountability for the criminals involved in this and their numbers are legion.
Understand and really appreciate your tenacity in this. Such dedication to one's fellow human is hard to find within this collapsing society. Hoping that the next generations will do better than mine has done...
BTW, hope the eye situation is better. Look into photobiomodulation (PBM), The company that I co-founded in 2013 (lumithera.com)) was just bought by Alcon for its FDA approved (a dubious, but necessary distinction) Valeda system. Though I was excommunicated from the company once my IP was locked up, I do have a few shares and that is this old doc's exit strategy. The technology is real and, hopefully, will now take off within mainstream medicine.
I continued the conversation with Grok (3, cause I’m cheap) & even asked whether Grok would retain its conclusions that the Covid vaccines had a net harm. Grok assured me that it would.
Guess what? Grok is a liar.
Here are the two conversations, the continuation of Steve’s conversation & a brand new one where Grok goes right back to parroting the WHO/CDC lie:
I think what you’re trying to accomplish is akin to arguing with the wall and then informing the door that you won the argument. It may be worse than arguing with strangers on social media. There has to be a better path toward getting the truth out.
That was my experience as well. I showed evidence of net harm of COVID vaccines to Grok. It initially concedes that the evidence is correct, but then forgets at a later date, and repeats its programming 'safe and effective.'. Also 4 had no recognition of that conversation with 3. GIGO is strong in that one.
FWIW, I just had a conversation with G3. It was as if it never had your conversation. After trying to use the bogus CDC/WHO data to convince me of the many benefits of the vaccines, it was convinced by Steve's argument . I even asked if it would revert back to the CDC/WHO BS with the next person who asked about vaccine injuries. It said no, it would use the information it gained from Steve's G4 conversation. Elon's child is AFU.
Sometimes it is difficult to find the exact cause and there could be multiple factors. Steve mentioned once that the hemorrage in the eye happened after taking Nattokinase + Bromelain + Curcumin but was there any pre-condition that appeared after the jabs?
WHEN WILL PEOPLE WAKE UP TO THE FACT IT IS NOT A VACCINE AND NEVER WAS. NOTHING IN IT MAKES A VACCINE EXCEPT THE ALYMINUM OXIDE POISNOS CARRIER. BIG PHARMER WILL NOT OR NEVER WILL GIVE WHAT IS IN THE VACCINE. IT COULD NEVER EVER OBTAIN A LICENCE AS ONLY 1/3 RD OF IT REMAINS IN THE ARM MUSLE. THE OTHER 2/3 RDS SPREADS TO EVERY PART OF THE BODY WITH A SUBSTANCE LIKE SNAKE VENOM AND PROTINE PLUS NOT IN THE BODY.. IT WAS DEVELIOPED AS A GENETIC CODE MODIFYER. SO SAD MANY ARE DEAD, INJURED OT PARALISED. LOST A REALITIV. NONE KNOW WHY AS BIG PHARMA ROLLING IN HUGE PROFITS REMAINES SILENT
This is fun but not a real argument. You're saying look at this harm over here. But covid is invalid at the level of the case definition, so every action in the name of cases is 100% harmful. Did you know they removed symptoms from the case definition in 2023, and why?
Been following your work on and off since I read your report about the Japan Pfizer filing with LNP tissue distribution in Wistar Rats. Utterly damning, and shatters the myth of "intramuscular expression".
A question I've long had is, has anyone looked at the surface composition of those LNPs, to see if there are any signaling peptides that bind to some specific receptor or receptors that explain that tissue distribution and integration into those tissue cells? We know that the spike protein binds to ACE2 with binding energies varying by demographic ACE2 gene encoding and expression -- what about the LNPs, and their binding energy and specificity to whatever they're grabbing onto?
More a biochem and molecular cell biology question, but you might mention it to someone.
OMG ... Steve -- you take my breath all the time with your ability to present FACTS and to win a discussion with GROK ... AMAZING! I hope you will be duly AWARDED in the near future with PRAISE and ADMIRATION -- Thanking you is trivial but deeply felt. It also hurts me deeply when I think about all the injury you have suffered from the vaccine. SENDING A HEALING HUG
The 'COVID vaccines' are not the only thing to be concerned about. What happened BEFORE the rollout which has now been thoroughly evidenced at the world's only official COVID inquiry to reveal the truth to the lockdown should be THE focus of sceptics but instead Steve and many others 'speaking out' have ignored it all for 2 years and refuse to discuss the findings.
Understandably many commenters here consider AI a dubious science. However, whether we like it or not, the technology is present and only gathering momentum and soon to be ubiquitous in nearly every aspect of our human experience. I see Steve Kirsch’s debate with GROK as something significant toward establishing ‘facts as truths’ within the AI space and for establishing more effective dialogue within the general population, regarding the pandemic debacle.
I explained to you, Steve, years ago, how a former industry professional like me is formally certain that these injections were designed intentionally to injure, kill and reduce fertility in survivors.
I question the efficacy and utility of using any AI to answer a scientific question, and/or act as objective arbiter. My understanding of AI is that it essentially performs pattern recognition, based on neural net algorithms coupled to specialized search engines acting on monumental databases. As such, it can be trained, guided, or cajoled into ultimately giving whatever answer the inquisitor deems appropriate. This amounts to confirmation bias.
Surely it would be better to use formal logical analysis such as symbolic logic, formal proofs, propositional statements and inferences, syllogisms, etc. As long as your intended audience agrees that there is such a thing as objective truth (i.e., they're not a bunch of lunatic postmodernists/postrealists), then this methodology provides real proof of your thesis, as opposed to the questionable results from finicky, trendy AI's. AI's are good for specialized niche applications, but other than that, quite frankly they're only for nerds and venture capitalist scam artists.
Fascinating, Steve. But, I see no evidence that the narrative is being changed at the institutional or political levels. Academia continues "all in" on the absurd vaxxx theory as the necessary road to "health". TPTB are developing, approving and promoting one new mRNA (bioweapon) after another. They are intent on depopulation, control of the herd, and above all - profit. I honestly cannot figure out how one can change this without violence and the shedding of a lot blood. There is NO justice and NO accountability for the criminals involved in this and their numbers are legion.
correct. but this is good progress that the "smartest" AI couldn't attack my conclusions.
NOBODY from mainstream WILL EVER engage in looking at what I've done, so this is the best we will EVER be able to do.
There is no smart AI. Don’t be silly. That’s no test at all.
Understand and really appreciate your tenacity in this. Such dedication to one's fellow human is hard to find within this collapsing society. Hoping that the next generations will do better than mine has done...
BTW, hope the eye situation is better. Look into photobiomodulation (PBM), The company that I co-founded in 2013 (lumithera.com)) was just bought by Alcon for its FDA approved (a dubious, but necessary distinction) Valeda system. Though I was excommunicated from the company once my IP was locked up, I do have a few shares and that is this old doc's exit strategy. The technology is real and, hopefully, will now take off within mainstream medicine.
Thanks for all you do, Steve!
I continued the conversation with Grok (3, cause I’m cheap) & even asked whether Grok would retain its conclusions that the Covid vaccines had a net harm. Grok assured me that it would.
Guess what? Grok is a liar.
Here are the two conversations, the continuation of Steve’s conversation & a brand new one where Grok goes right back to parroting the WHO/CDC lie:
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_4ef6f27c-62cb-46ea-9da1-cbb7b4e60678
https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_68b7ba6a-e6a3-4473-84e2-c5140942da81
I think what you’re trying to accomplish is akin to arguing with the wall and then informing the door that you won the argument. It may be worse than arguing with strangers on social media. There has to be a better path toward getting the truth out.
as expected!!!!!!!!!! it will not learn from others, only from the creators.
That was my experience as well. I showed evidence of net harm of COVID vaccines to Grok. It initially concedes that the evidence is correct, but then forgets at a later date, and repeats its programming 'safe and effective.'. Also 4 had no recognition of that conversation with 3. GIGO is strong in that one.
Hello Doc,
just picked up a couple of your books. im working threw the 3rd eddition of "neither safe nor effective" currently. Just wanted to say Hi.
FWIW, I just had a conversation with G3. It was as if it never had your conversation. After trying to use the bogus CDC/WHO data to convince me of the many benefits of the vaccines, it was convinced by Steve's argument . I even asked if it would revert back to the CDC/WHO BS with the next person who asked about vaccine injuries. It said no, it would use the information it gained from Steve's G4 conversation. Elon's child is AFU.
Post your findings on X & include Elon.
Vaccines were never meant to help us...only hurt us.
Steve's eye problems may also be a result of the covid jabs:
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/vax-eye-syndrome-pfizer-covid-vaccine
Sometimes it is difficult to find the exact cause and there could be multiple factors. Steve mentioned once that the hemorrage in the eye happened after taking Nattokinase + Bromelain + Curcumin but was there any pre-condition that appeared after the jabs?
WHEN WILL PEOPLE WAKE UP TO THE FACT IT IS NOT A VACCINE AND NEVER WAS. NOTHING IN IT MAKES A VACCINE EXCEPT THE ALYMINUM OXIDE POISNOS CARRIER. BIG PHARMER WILL NOT OR NEVER WILL GIVE WHAT IS IN THE VACCINE. IT COULD NEVER EVER OBTAIN A LICENCE AS ONLY 1/3 RD OF IT REMAINS IN THE ARM MUSLE. THE OTHER 2/3 RDS SPREADS TO EVERY PART OF THE BODY WITH A SUBSTANCE LIKE SNAKE VENOM AND PROTINE PLUS NOT IN THE BODY.. IT WAS DEVELIOPED AS A GENETIC CODE MODIFYER. SO SAD MANY ARE DEAD, INJURED OT PARALISED. LOST A REALITIV. NONE KNOW WHY AS BIG PHARMA ROLLING IN HUGE PROFITS REMAINES SILENT
This is fun but not a real argument. You're saying look at this harm over here. But covid is invalid at the level of the case definition, so every action in the name of cases is 100% harmful. Did you know they removed symptoms from the case definition in 2023, and why?
Hi Steve,
Been following your work on and off since I read your report about the Japan Pfizer filing with LNP tissue distribution in Wistar Rats. Utterly damning, and shatters the myth of "intramuscular expression".
A question I've long had is, has anyone looked at the surface composition of those LNPs, to see if there are any signaling peptides that bind to some specific receptor or receptors that explain that tissue distribution and integration into those tissue cells? We know that the spike protein binds to ACE2 with binding energies varying by demographic ACE2 gene encoding and expression -- what about the LNPs, and their binding energy and specificity to whatever they're grabbing onto?
More a biochem and molecular cell biology question, but you might mention it to someone.
OMG ... Steve -- you take my breath all the time with your ability to present FACTS and to win a discussion with GROK ... AMAZING! I hope you will be duly AWARDED in the near future with PRAISE and ADMIRATION -- Thanking you is trivial but deeply felt. It also hurts me deeply when I think about all the injury you have suffered from the vaccine. SENDING A HEALING HUG
Any mention of the Healthy Vaccine Effect which normally explains any net benefit.
The 'COVID vaccines' are not the only thing to be concerned about. What happened BEFORE the rollout which has now been thoroughly evidenced at the world's only official COVID inquiry to reveal the truth to the lockdown should be THE focus of sceptics but instead Steve and many others 'speaking out' have ignored it all for 2 years and refuse to discuss the findings.
https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/scottish-covid-19-inquiryfeature
https://biologyphenom.substack.com/p/scottish-covid-19-inquiryclosing
Understandably many commenters here consider AI a dubious science. However, whether we like it or not, the technology is present and only gathering momentum and soon to be ubiquitous in nearly every aspect of our human experience. I see Steve Kirsch’s debate with GROK as something significant toward establishing ‘facts as truths’ within the AI space and for establishing more effective dialogue within the general population, regarding the pandemic debacle.
I explained to you, Steve, years ago, how a former industry professional like me is formally certain that these injections were designed intentionally to injure, kill and reduce fertility in survivors.
Very fine work, Steve. Kudos and gratitude.
I question the efficacy and utility of using any AI to answer a scientific question, and/or act as objective arbiter. My understanding of AI is that it essentially performs pattern recognition, based on neural net algorithms coupled to specialized search engines acting on monumental databases. As such, it can be trained, guided, or cajoled into ultimately giving whatever answer the inquisitor deems appropriate. This amounts to confirmation bias.
Surely it would be better to use formal logical analysis such as symbolic logic, formal proofs, propositional statements and inferences, syllogisms, etc. As long as your intended audience agrees that there is such a thing as objective truth (i.e., they're not a bunch of lunatic postmodernists/postrealists), then this methodology provides real proof of your thesis, as opposed to the questionable results from finicky, trendy AI's. AI's are good for specialized niche applications, but other than that, quite frankly they're only for nerds and venture capitalist scam artists.
AI is just upgrade from ‘factcheckers’ — all are full of crap but superbly funded, next gen paid liars
You ought to debate Grok - at the building at MIT that you funded and is named for you!