What would you do? And more importantly, why isn't a single member of the mainstream medical community saying what the researchers did was wrong. Is that how science works?
In addition, in the 10/07/25 Detroit Free Press interview, Dr. Lamerato's boss Christine Cole Johnson (Chair of Public Health Science) discussed three of those "flaws" and called the “fatally flawed” study “among the "worst studies I've ever seen." Dr. Adnan Munkarah (President of the Clinical Enterprise and Chief Physician Executive) claimed it was "fatally flawed." and was just a “draft” that “doesn't even qualify as a study.” https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2025/10/07/henry-ford-health-vaccine-study-informed-consent-action-network/86372042007/
I was astonished by the PR incompetence displayed by Johnson & Munkarah (“It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it”). If they were smart, they would have just stuck with their initial short, bland PR comment HFH put out on Sept 9th, and kept their mouths shut!
the study accounted for and adjusted for those things.
more importantly, those 5 things are limitations, not flaws. all studies have limitations. anyone who has ever read a journal knows that studies with bigger limitations than these get published regularly. and it's important to publish studies, even poorly executed ones -- even if the study doesn't demonstrate clear results, there may be data to glean, methodological flaws to learn from, clues on how adjust future study designs, etc.
i have a feeling the only study the pro-vax people will be happy with is one that includes every person on the planet, from birth till death.
I trained with Munkarah , he always wanted to be something he wasn’t. He was a gifted Gyn Onc , should have stayed at the DMC helping gyn cancer patients.
I haven't had a chance to do a full read of their responses, but do you get the idea that they are:
a) Raising strawman defense memos (mis-responding intentionally to various points either perceived or mis-perceived) or
b) Misinterpreting something said in the video documentary on account of them having a guilty conscience?
Neurosis and other psychological factors (as mentioned by others) can be playing a part in their twisted (?) or weird responses, not every party present in their department meetings on this can be depended on being 100% sane or normal in behavior or in their responses.
Pretty much to be expected as long as "healthcare" remains a for-private-profit cartel w/ a monopoly that's enforced AND SUBSIDIZED by the gov't of the 1%, by the 1%, and for the 1%, using our wildly-regressive tax dollars.
Policy-based scientivism depends upon an ideological bedrock of circular 'reasoning' and funding endemic in politics, institutions, medicine and corporations. Is is an unadulterated perversion expressed by the hubris laden kraptitude of, 'we know best for your own good.'
It is ethically and morally bankrupt, and it is the shoal upon which the globalist ship with founder as peoples across the World withdraw political license and submission to kakistocratic governance.
Knowing what they know, how can the Henry Ford system expect the truth to go away? Continued denial is not only unethical and splineless, but damn stupid. All those poisons muct have damaged their own cognitive abilities to the point they can't seee the writing on the wall in huge neon letters and hear the screaming sirens.
This study is so antithetical to current immunity/disease/vaccine dogma, not to mention the potential hit to the healthcare establishment's wallet, that it will be criticized even if positively peer reviewed. And to be fair/ethical, if positively peer reviewed, another duplicate study would need to be run by another group within the US utilizing the same methodology. A second positive study would be hard to against. Much is at stake aside from dollars. The issue must be examined thoroughly from all directions, to ensure the outcomes are accurate/correct. Then Zervos will likely be vindicated.
Highly respected? NO MORE...he makes me want to vomit...what a coward...no integrity, to his oath, a man with zero morals, zero values, zero ethics, a scum...wait till he meets his MAKER...pity hey...he will pee his pants...what a bad trade off...saving the few more years of work and forfeiting Eternal life....well deserve for someone who has no problem killing little innocent children....
(Deuteronomy 27:25) “‘Cursed is the one who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person.’ (And all the people will say, ‘Amen!’)
I will not shed a tear when he is destroyed him and his descendants...
(Deuteronomy 30:19) I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must choose life so that you may live, you and your descendants,
I did not say this, but our Creator, himself...no joke...is it worse it Marcus??? bad calculation IMO
Elie Weisel, the Holocaust survivor and Nobel Peace Prize winner, stated: "The opposite of love is not hatred, but indifference." Indifference explains the silence from the mainstream medical community on this matter and also explains why so many serious societal problems remain unaddressed.
At mindtools.com, there is there is a section on 'groupthink' which may be of interest for fighting against the obvious lies being told to us by our government.
Here is the "groupthink" definition of "science" in California classrooms today using "Claim, Evidence, Reason":
CLAIM
A statement that answers the question
EVIDENCE
Observations, data, and research that
support the claim
REASONING
Scientitic principle that shows how the evidence supports the claim
This is how "science" is taught today in our schools.
We sure do have a problem, but we also have a growing number of people who are refusing vaccines. Now these creeps might want to keep their jobs and keep their funding by big Harma, but those days are over and they will soon all find themselves out of jobs anyway, because the public will not stand for it anymore. Awake people are growing and it doesn't look good for any of these money hungry criminals.
Fascinating that something so obvious that the medical community, MSM, regulatory agencies all remain silent on the study not being published or even peer reviewed. Where is RFK Jr public condemnation of the study not getting published?
The interview shows Dr Zervos unwilling to grow a spine and face the facts, though right now, the attention he didn't want and tried to avoid has doubled in intensity; careful what you wish for!
Were all these scientists vaxxed per the requirements of the Ford Hospital? It seems to have affected their ability to think and reason. We are on our own!
First time I've seen this, 'doc'. Give it time ...
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"They [Henry Ford Health] even “fact checked” their own study, citing ZERO specific flaws in the study as the reason it was withheld."
. . .
Their "Fact-Check" did not list the "flaws" but their other 10/26 press release ( https://www.henryford.com/news/2025/09/vaccine-study-henry-ford-health ) did list 5 specific "flaws" (at best "Limitations," generally BS, as described in my pinned previous comments #8 - #13 to Steve's previous Oct 10th post, "My email to Henry Ford media relations about the new film "An Inconvenient Study" https://kirschsubstack.com/p/my-email-to-henry-ford-media-relations/comments
In addition, in the 10/07/25 Detroit Free Press interview, Dr. Lamerato's boss Christine Cole Johnson (Chair of Public Health Science) discussed three of those "flaws" and called the “fatally flawed” study “among the "worst studies I've ever seen." Dr. Adnan Munkarah (President of the Clinical Enterprise and Chief Physician Executive) claimed it was "fatally flawed." and was just a “draft” that “doesn't even qualify as a study.” https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2025/10/07/henry-ford-health-vaccine-study-informed-consent-action-network/86372042007/
I was astonished by the PR incompetence displayed by Johnson & Munkarah (“It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it”). If they were smart, they would have just stuck with their initial short, bland PR comment HFH put out on Sept 9th, and kept their mouths shut!
the study accounted for and adjusted for those things.
more importantly, those 5 things are limitations, not flaws. all studies have limitations. anyone who has ever read a journal knows that studies with bigger limitations than these get published regularly. and it's important to publish studies, even poorly executed ones -- even if the study doesn't demonstrate clear results, there may be data to glean, methodological flaws to learn from, clues on how adjust future study designs, etc.
i have a feeling the only study the pro-vax people will be happy with is one that includes every person on the planet, from birth till death.
I trained with Munkarah , he always wanted to be something he wasn’t. He was a gifted Gyn Onc , should have stayed at the DMC helping gyn cancer patients.
I haven't had a chance to do a full read of their responses, but do you get the idea that they are:
a) Raising strawman defense memos (mis-responding intentionally to various points either perceived or mis-perceived) or
b) Misinterpreting something said in the video documentary on account of them having a guilty conscience?
Neurosis and other psychological factors (as mentioned by others) can be playing a part in their twisted (?) or weird responses, not every party present in their department meetings on this can be depended on being 100% sane or normal in behavior or in their responses.
Cognitive dissonance brought on by a guilty conscience and the shame of the public finding out they are frauds.
Pretty much to be expected as long as "healthcare" remains a for-private-profit cartel w/ a monopoly that's enforced AND SUBSIDIZED by the gov't of the 1%, by the 1%, and for the 1%, using our wildly-regressive tax dollars.
Policy-based scientivism depends upon an ideological bedrock of circular 'reasoning' and funding endemic in politics, institutions, medicine and corporations. Is is an unadulterated perversion expressed by the hubris laden kraptitude of, 'we know best for your own good.'
It is ethically and morally bankrupt, and it is the shoal upon which the globalist ship with founder as peoples across the World withdraw political license and submission to kakistocratic governance.
Institutions and the individuals involved should be held accountable in full light of the law. Henry Ford Birth Cohort: Vaxxed vs. Unvaxxed, Reported Vaccinated Kids Had 453% More Neurodevelopmental Disorders — 57% Rendered Chronically Ill https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/breaking-henry-ford-birth-cohort-vaxxed-vs-unvaxxed-reported-vaccinated-kids-had-453-more-neurodevelopmental-disorders-57-rendered-chronically-ill/
They are authors, not researchers.
Knowing what they know, how can the Henry Ford system expect the truth to go away? Continued denial is not only unethical and splineless, but damn stupid. All those poisons muct have damaged their own cognitive abilities to the point they can't seee the writing on the wall in huge neon letters and hear the screaming sirens.
This study is so antithetical to current immunity/disease/vaccine dogma, not to mention the potential hit to the healthcare establishment's wallet, that it will be criticized even if positively peer reviewed. And to be fair/ethical, if positively peer reviewed, another duplicate study would need to be run by another group within the US utilizing the same methodology. A second positive study would be hard to against. Much is at stake aside from dollars. The issue must be examined thoroughly from all directions, to ensure the outcomes are accurate/correct. Then Zervos will likely be vindicated.
Highly respected? NO MORE...he makes me want to vomit...what a coward...no integrity, to his oath, a man with zero morals, zero values, zero ethics, a scum...wait till he meets his MAKER...pity hey...he will pee his pants...what a bad trade off...saving the few more years of work and forfeiting Eternal life....well deserve for someone who has no problem killing little innocent children....
(Deuteronomy 27:25) “‘Cursed is the one who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person.’ (And all the people will say, ‘Amen!’)
I will not shed a tear when he is destroyed him and his descendants...
(Deuteronomy 30:19) I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must choose life so that you may live, you and your descendants,
I did not say this, but our Creator, himself...no joke...is it worse it Marcus??? bad calculation IMO
Elie Weisel, the Holocaust survivor and Nobel Peace Prize winner, stated: "The opposite of love is not hatred, but indifference." Indifference explains the silence from the mainstream medical community on this matter and also explains why so many serious societal problems remain unaddressed.
At mindtools.com, there is there is a section on 'groupthink' which may be of interest for fighting against the obvious lies being told to us by our government.
Here is the "groupthink" definition of "science" in California classrooms today using "Claim, Evidence, Reason":
CLAIM
A statement that answers the question
EVIDENCE
Observations, data, and research that
support the claim
REASONING
Scientitic principle that shows how the evidence supports the claim
This is how "science" is taught today in our schools.
More Asshoolery from Detroit free press , thanks to HFH pr firm . https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2025/10/07/henry-ford-health-vaccine-study-informed-consent-action-network/86372042007/
We sure do have a problem, but we also have a growing number of people who are refusing vaccines. Now these creeps might want to keep their jobs and keep their funding by big Harma, but those days are over and they will soon all find themselves out of jobs anyway, because the public will not stand for it anymore. Awake people are growing and it doesn't look good for any of these money hungry criminals.
Fascinating that something so obvious that the medical community, MSM, regulatory agencies all remain silent on the study not being published or even peer reviewed. Where is RFK Jr public condemnation of the study not getting published?
RFK will get around to it, after cleaning up the HHS, CDC. FDA, and all the other 3 letter agencies that claim to have your health in mind.
I hope so but I suspect that the pharma cartel and Trump's affection for pharma won't make it easy.
The interview shows Dr Zervos unwilling to grow a spine and face the facts, though right now, the attention he didn't want and tried to avoid has doubled in intensity; careful what you wish for!
Were all these scientists vaxxed per the requirements of the Ford Hospital? It seems to have affected their ability to think and reason. We are on our own!
We are destroying this civilization by destroying children physically and mentally: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37416490/
wow! One like :)
One is mine (a click by mistake)
First time I've seen this, 'doc'. Give it time ...
BTW, my browser (Win Xp compatible "Mypal68 V74.1.2") won't actuate the Like button so that's why I can't leave 'likes'. (Yes, still using Win Xp here. Engineers can be quite obstinate and NOT subject to changing easily. We will find a way ...)
This is how "science" works these days...