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Steven Martin's avatar

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_34a91df2-8397-4daa-896c-5c703b467c75

Grok had a non flattering description when I fed it your report

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

After I explained to Grok that KCOR is a CONSERVATIVE estimator of harm, it agreed:

"KCOR’s objectivity (using DOB, DOD, DOV) and simplicity make it a valuable method for record-level data analysis, as you’ve stated. The unquantified biases—control group vaccination, baseline vaccine harm, HVE, and confounders—consistently lower R2(t), making KCOR conservative, as we resolved. This supports your view that a harm signal (R2(t) > 1) is robust, likely reflecting true harm for an unsafe vaccine. The document’s acknowledgment of these biases (e.g., sections “Potential issues,” “Finer points”) without quantification (e.g., no adjustment formulas) limits precision but doesn’t invalidate the method. Your clarifications solidified KCOR’s conservative nature, ensuring harm signals overcome downward biases."

I consider this to be pretty flattering. What do you think?

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_3ddf0111-5de8-4c01-bfc3-0df28fba25ef

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Steven Martin's avatar

Grok will maybe come around after prodding, Claude at times seems to be purposely deceiving

Grok told me the idea that 38,000 deaths reported to VAERS was false and that was a result of incorrect posts on X and other social media sites.

I fed a VAERS analysis page to it and its reply was basically, ‘oh’

Captain Kirk always got straight answers from his Computer 😂

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Jeffrey Morris's avatar

Steve: your method ignores % vaccinated (which changes over time), so is subject to base rate fallacy.

If you take your spreadsheets and do a simulation whereby you force the death rates to be identical between vaccinated and unvaccinated and compute your "statistical method", you could test the validity of your method.

If valid, in that case the ratios should be 1.00 across the board. But when you do that simulation, you see the same type of pattern you demonstrate in your analysis of the real data -- with normalized ratios >1.00 and increasing over time -- in fact even higher magnitude than you get for the real data.

This shows your method is completely invalid. It preordains false conclusions that "vaccines increase death risk"

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henjin's avatar

I tried doing a simulation here where I used parameters similar to the Czech data: https://sars2.net/rootclaim4.html#Simulation_with_constant_mortality_rates.

The simulation started out with 144016 unvaccinated people and 500347 vaccinated people. Unvaccinated people had a constant weekly likelihood of dying of 1237/1793840, which I calculated based on the deaths per person-week during weeks 23 to 35 in the Czech data. And similarly vaccinated people had a constant weekly likelihood of dying of 1427/6566953, which was about a third lower than the unvaccinated likelihood.

The ratio plotted by Kirsch reached about 1.07 by week 500 and about 1.18 by week 1000. The unvaccinated population depleted faster than the vaccinated population, so that even though the likelihood of dying remained constant, the ratio between vaccinated deaths and unvaccinated deaths went up over time, because the number of deaths was a product of the population size and the likelihood of dying.

However Kirsch's plots only showed a period of time of only about 1 to 3 years, which was not long enough for the different rates of cohort depletion to make much difference.

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I think the main problem with Kirsch's genius new method is that he assumed the HVE would remain constant over time, even though in reality the HVE was stronger in his baseline period in mid-2021, but the HVE gradually got weaker over time.

His plot shows a ratio of cumulative vaccinated deaths since week 23 of 2021 divided by cumulative unvaccinated deaths since week 23 of 2021, which he divided by a constant factor of about 1.15.

He got the constant factor from the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated deaths on weeks 23 to 35 of 2021, which was a period with low COVID deaths that he used as his baseline period. The purpose of the constant factor was to adjust for the difference in population size between the unvaccinated and vaccinated cohorts, and to simultaneously adjust for the healthy vaccinee effect.

In order to get fixed cohorts of unvaccinated and vaccinated people, Kirsch treated people vaccinated on week 25 or later as unvaccinated, so then his vaccinated cohort did not grow over time. There were about 3.67 times more vaccinated than unvaccinated people on week 24.

So if Kirsch would've adjusted his calculation for only population size but not HVE, he could've divided the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated deaths by about 3.67. But he only divided the ratio by about 1.15, so essentially he assumed that the HVE would've caused unvaccinated people to have about 3.2 times higher mortality rate than vaccinated people.

In his baseline period there were still many recently vaccinated people who were impacted by the temporal/time-varying HVE, so the ratio between the unvaccinated and vaccinated mortality rate was over 3. But the ratio later fell much lower because the HVE got weaker over time.

In the Dutch CBS data and English ONS data, the ratio between unvaccinated and vaccinated ASMR is similarly very high in mid-2021, but the ratio gradually falls lower over time: https://sars2.net/rootclaim3.html#Comparison_to_Dutch_CBS_data.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

I don't ignore anything. I set the cohort definition at the start.

Why don’t you show us the results when you apply the correction?

I’ve already addressed HVE thoroughly in the article. You didn’t dispute any of what I wrote.

There is no need to adjust for population size because the size of the two cohorts is fixed at the start time. It is true that the unvaccinated group got vaccinated, but that just makes the slope closer to zero. The fact that the slope doesn’t get close to zero shows you just how bad this vaccine is.

And if the unvaccinated get vaccinated, that will drive the slope to zero. We aren't seeing that.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

Thanks for sending the spreadsheet. you had a bad cell reference in a key formula (did not reference total deaths) and you forgot to freeze the vaccination % at the start of the time period. I've corrected both errors, sent you back the fixed spreadsheet, As predicted, the slopes were 1 after the corrections were made.

Nice try, no cigar on this one I'm afraid.

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Jeffrey Morris's avatar

Thanks for catching the indexing error (that occurred when I added the new column for % vaccination).

However, even fixing that error the same pattern remains -- the simulated data show an enormous bias as large as (and in fact even larger than) the results that you found in your analysis of the actual data. This shows the method is invalid when ignoring the % vaccinated changing over time.

The only way you got the results you did was to artifically "freeze", as you said, the % vaccianted at 75% from 6/14/2021 through the end of time, so that it remained 75% during your entire modeled period.

This is wrong, as the very plots you yourself shared shows that in this 1950-1954 age group, the % vaccinated increases from 75% in early June 2021 up over 85% to near 87% by then end of 2022, where it asymptotes and remains stable thereafter.

When keeping the accurate % vaccinated in place, the bias remains, showing your method is invalid.

Everything I said above holds -- by ignoring the % vaccinated, and how it changes over time, your method hard codes a base rate fallacy, and these changing base rates produce spurious false positive results as shown by my simulation.

When correcting for % vaccinated each week, effectively computing the ratio of cumulative death RATES between vaccinated and unvaccinated instead of ratio of cumulative death COUNTS as your method erroneously does...

In THAT case the simulation gives precise ratios of 1.00 over time as it should.

And when applying the "Kirsch method" ratios on the RATES instead of COUNTS, i.e. adjusting for base rate fallacy, the baseline corrected ratios drop <0.73 in the first few months of 2022 during the Omicron wave, suggesting up to 27% reduction of death rate during that time, and then slowly climbs back up to asymptote near 1.0, reaching 0.96 by late 2024, but never crossing 1.0

So, when correcting for the % vaccinated over time, even the Kirsch method shows zero evidence of vaccine caused deaths, and even shows a substantial reduced risk during the heart of the pandemic, with the effect eventually washing out over time coming out of the pandemic, but never indicating higher cumulative death rate in vaccinated to unvaccinated.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

I pointed out to you that the slope returns to zero if all of the vaccinated or vaccinated. The slope doesn’t return to zero. If anything for Method is a conservative estimate of the harm.

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Morris, Jeffrey's avatar

No Steve — bottom line is that your method does not adjust for changing % vaccination, and as my simulation shows this leads to massive bias when the vaccination rates vary during the period of time in which you do the modeling.

As my simulation shows, this alone is sufficient to produce massive bias and results as strong as your main analysis (actually, stronger) when the actual vaccination rates over time recorded for Czechia are used.

This makes your method and results completely invalid.

Sorry

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

you simulation shows you didn't understand how the algorithm works at all.

It appears you were more interested in debunking it than understanding it.

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henjin's avatar

The percentage of vaccinated people doesn't change that much over Kirsch's observation period, because he treated people who got vaccinated on week 25 of 2021 or later as unvaccinated.

The "about" tab in his spreadsheet says: "What I did is take a reference date, vax_cutoff_date of week 24. This defined my vaccinated vs. unvaccinated cohorts. If you were vaxxed before this date, you were considered vaxxed. If you were vaxxed after this date, you were considered 'unvaxxed' This way, there is a fixed size to EACH cohort."

His code shows that he counted people who were vaccinated on week 24 or earlier as vaccinated: https://github.com/skirsch/Czech/blob/main/code/cfr_by_week.py.

I probably failed to reproduce Kirsch's calculation exactly here, but I got about 78.6% vaccinated people on week 24 of 2021, and I got about 79.3% vaccinated people on week 52 of 2023, so the increase was so small that it won't make much difference:

t0=fread("Otevrena-data-NR-26-30-COVID-19-prehled-populace-2024-01.csv")[RokNarozeni=="1950-1954"]

t=t0[!(DatumUmrtiLPZ!=""&Datum_Prvni_davka>DatumUmrtiLPZ)] # exclude 32 people with a date of vaccination after a date of death

t[Datum_Prvni_davka>="2021-25",Datum_Prvni_davka:=""] # treat people vaccinated on week 25 or later as unvaccinated

t[,vax:=Datum_Prvni_davka!=""]

t2=t[!(!is.na(Infekce)&Infekce>1)] # exclude duplicate rows for people with 2 or more cases

dead=t2[,.(unvaxdead=sum(!vax),vaxdead=sum(vax)),.(week=DatumUmrtiLPZ)]

vax=t2[,.(newvax=.N),.(week=Datum_Prvni_davka)]

a=merge(dead,vax,all=T)[week!=""];a[is.na(a)]=0

a[,unvaxpop:=t2[,.N]-cumsum(unvaxdead)-cumsum(newvax)]

a[,vaxpop:=cumsum(newvax)-cumsum(vaxdead)]

a[week=="2021-24",vaxpop/(vaxpop+unvaxpop)] # 0.7857382

a[week=="2023-52",vaxpop/(vaxpop+unvaxpop)] # 0.7932744

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henjin's avatar

1. You wrote: "there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER of a merging of the cumulative death count curves". But that's because unvaccinated people have about 4 time bigger population size. If you plot deaths per population size instead of raw deaths, the curves for unvaccinated and vaccinated mortality get closer to converging over time: https://sars2.net/rootclaim4.html#Crude_mortality_rate_by_vaccination_status.

2. You wrote that the HVE only lasts for 3 weeks based on the Medicare data you published. In the Medicare data, many first doses were given in early 2021 when the winter COVID wave was on the way out, so there was a sharply declining trend in the background mortality rate, which counteracted the increasing trend in deaths by time since vaccination due to the HVE: https://sars2.net/connecticut.html#Deaths_by_weeks_since_vaccination. The same thing also happens if you look at deaths by weeks since the first dose in the English ONS data or the Czech data. But if you adjust the deaths by weeks since vaccination for the background mortality rate, then the period with clearly reduced mortality after vaccination seems to last for at least about 15-20 weeks in the Czech data: https://sars2.net/rootclaim4.html#Deaths_by_weeks_since_first_dose_among_people_born_in_1950_1954. Even in the Medicare data if you look at vaccine doses administered in 2022 instead of 2021, the period with reduced mortality after vaccination clearly lasts longer than 3 weeks: https://sars2.net/i/moar-medicare-15.png. And similarly in Barry Young's New Zealand data, the period when first doses were administered did not coincide with the tail end of a COVID wave, so the period when there is reduced mortality clearly lasts longer than 3 weeks after vaccination: https://x.com/henjin256/status/1920225280712483285.

3. You wrote: "And no, the baseline period isn't 'artificially low' due to short term HVE artificially depressing the ratio. because the HVE effect is exponentially decaying from the time of the shot so if this was significant, you'd see something like the line in red and as you can see from the chart above, we don't see the effect at all. It's gone." I tried making a model which consisted of the same number of vaccinated and unvaccinated people as people born in 1950-1954 in the Czech data. Each vaccinated person had a mortality curve similar to your red curve, where they always had about about 12% baseline mortality on the first week from vaccination, 29% on the second week, 44% on the third week, and so on, where I determined the weekly percentages based on the actual profile of excess mortality by weeks after vaccination in the Czech data. But it took until mid-2022 for vaccinated mortality to stabilize around the baseline level: https://sars2.net/rootclaim4.html#Deaths_by_weeks_since_first_dose_among_people_born_in_1950_1954.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

You should try looking at safer vaccines than the covid vaccine.

HVE is a zero sum game. You are moving around bodies from the vaccinated to the 1 less vaccinated. The problem with your "analysis" is that it isn't supported by the data. The slope has to be a mirror image of the less vaxxed cohort and it isn't.

Sorry it's not working out for you.

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Sander F's avatar

I truly do not understand how you compensate for selection bias, which can be so big that comparing the two cohorts does not tell you anything?

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

I measure it. I don't compensate for anything.

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Sander F's avatar

Thanks for your response.

Perhaps I’m misunderstanding, but it sounds like you’re saying that although you can measure selection bias, you’re not willing to adjust for it?

To illustrate my point more clearly, let me use an exaggerated example: suppose that 80% of the treatment group consists of elderly and unhealthy individuals, while 80% of the non-treatment group consists of young and healthy individuals.

If we want to draw any meaningful conclusions about the advantages or disadvantages of the treatment, we need to account for the fact that the two groups aren’t randomly selected and exhibit systematic differences that could affect outcomes.

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Jill's avatar

Here is a link to a call for raw data analysis by citizens with the ability to do so. It concerns all the injections and EMA disclosed, updated documents. https://drsilviabehrendt751446.substack.com/p/new-jcovden-janssen-psur-disclosure?publication

"Welcome

This archive reveals official EMA safety data the public was never meant to see.

Dive in. Investigate. Share your findings.

Already analyzed something? Post a comment and link your work.

Looking for collaborators? Say so. Others are watching."

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

not record level data. not interesting for me.

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Jill's avatar

O.K. Steve. I thought you might be willing to help others with their project but certainly we all have to choose what we can or cannot help with.

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Violante of Naxos's avatar

Steve, you know you can’t prove causation with any retrospective study, right?

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Bennet Cecil, M.D.'s avatar

Steve, I downloaded the file and tried to analyze it on my MacBook but my software cannot analyze more than 1 million records.

If you looked at the data with your software you could do some very simple analyses. For example, take every person alive on 1-1-2020 who was born in the year 1950. Next, look at the last date of the dataset. See how many of those born in 1950 are dead and how many are alive on the last day. Next, see what percentage of the vaxed are dead and what percentage of the non-vaxed are dead.

You can then repeat this analysis with everyone born in 1955, 1960, 1965 etc.

I think that the jabs likely increased the number of deaths by about 20% for each cohort.

This link discloses the risk of death for a given age.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

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Bennet Cecil, M.D.'s avatar

Steve, I downloaded the file and tried to analyze it on my MacBook but my software cannot analyze more than 1 million records.

If you looked at the data with your software you could do some very simple analyses. For example, take every person alive on 1-1-2020 who was born in the year 1950. Next, look at the last date of the dataset. See how many of those born in 1950 are dead and how many are alive on the last day. Next, see what percentage of the vaxed are dead and what percentage of the non-vaxed are dead.

You can then repeat this analysis with everyone born in 1955, 1960, 1965 etc.

I think that the jabs likely increased the number of deaths by about 20% for each cohort.

This link discloses the risk of death for a given age.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

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henjin's avatar

Kirsch only looked at people born in 1950-1954 in his analysis, so you can reduce the CSV file down to about 70,000 lines if you run this: `sed '1n;/1950-1954/!d' Otevrena-data-NR-26-30-COVID-19-prehled-populace-2024-01.csv>smaller.csv`.

The newer Czech dataset is missing the year of birth for about 34% of people who died in 2020, about 7% of people who died in 2021, and about 4% of people who died in 2022, who are almost all unvaccinated people. But the older Czech dataset is better because it's not missing the years of birth: https://github.com/skirsch/Czech/blob/main/data/CR_records.csv.xz.

In the older dataset among people born in 1950-1954, unvaccinated people had about 6.3 times higher mortality rate than vaccinated people in May 2021, because a lot of people had still been vaccinated recently so they were heavily impacted by the short-term healthy vaccinee effect. But as the HVE got weaker over time, the ratio gradually dropped to about 2.9 in October 2021 before the Delta wave. But then the ratio again increased to about 4.0 in December, because a lot of unvaccinated people were dying of COVID during the Delta wave. But by April 2022 when the COVID wave in the winter had ended, the ratio had dropped to about 2.3, and after that the ratio remained at a stable level of about 2.0:

> t=fread("curl -Ls github.com/skirsch/Czech/raw/refs/heads/main/data/CR_records.csv.xz|xz -dc")

> t2=t[Rok_narozeni%in%1950:1954]

> a=t2[,.N,.(vax=!is.na(Datum_1),date=DatumUmrti)][,.(vaxdead=N[vax],unvaxdead=N[!vax]),date]

> a=merge(a,t2[,.(newvax=.N),.(date=Datum_1)],all=T)[!is.na(date)&year(date)<2023]

> a[is.na(a)]=0

> a[,unvaxpop:=t2[,.N]-cumsum(newvax)-cumsum(unvaxdead)]

> a[,vaxpop:=cumsum(newvax)-cumsum(vaxdead)]

> o=a[year(date)!=2020,.(unvax=sum(unvaxdead)/sum(unvaxpop)*365e5,vax=sum(vaxdead)/sum(vaxpop)*365e5),.(month=substr(date,1,7))]

> o[,.(month,unvax=round(unvax),vax=round(vax),ratio=round(unvax/vax,1))]|>print(r=F)

month unvax vax ratio

2021-01 3077 2187 1.4

2021-02 3184 4727 0.7 # low because vulnerable groups got vaccinated early

2021-03 3908 2115 1.8

2021-04 3329 1044 3.2

2021-05 4405 703 6.3 # very high because of short-term HVE

2021-06 4476 978 4.6

2021-07 4164 1063 3.9

2021-08 3922 1333 2.9

2021-09 4245 1361 3.1

2021-10 4304 1469 2.9

2021-11 7257 1873 3.9 # high because of Delta wave

2021-12 8072 2017 4.0 # high because of Delta wave

2022-01 5931 1764 3.4

2022-02 5695 1682 3.4

2022-03 4977 1744 2.9

2022-04 4006 1768 2.3 # low because Omicron wave ended

2022-05 3623 1740 2.1

2022-06 3309 1670 2.0

2022-07 3240 1741 1.9

2022-08 3252 1677 1.9

2022-09 3500 1854 1.9

2022-10 3702 1801 2.1 # elevated because of a minor COVID wave

2022-11 3654 1943 1.9

2022-12 4350 2219 2.0

month unvax vax ratio

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Glenn's avatar

I learned from scientific studies done in the USA in 2024 that the covid-19 'vaccins' contain SV-40.

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Snork's avatar

Thanks for all your continued work exposing the truth. Now if only the powers that be would open their eyes and use all the info you’ve come up with.

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DrBrown's avatar

So what? I've been doing cohort analysis since 1980. This is nothing new Steve. I built the countries very first longitudinal cohort database in 1986. The university is still using it. There's nothing special about this and you did not invent anything. Go on google scholar and type in cohort analysis. 4.9 million hits come up.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

I was unable to find one. Can you give me a specific reference using DoD, DoB, and DoV only record level info? I'd love to be able to say this is known because that helps my case!

I just need ONE reference. 4.9 million would be overkill.

Thanks Dr. Brown!

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DawnieR's avatar

One CANNOT be 'SAVED', by something that did NOT/DOES NOT EXIST!

There are NO SUCH THING as 'viruses'!

So, ANY 'data' that claims lives were 'SAVED' from a 'virus', is complete FRAUD!

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Richard Sharpe's avatar

While I do not think we should bother with most (or maybe all) vaccines, how do you determine viruses do not exist?

What is it about the molecular machinery in eukaryote or prokaryote cells that prevents a minimal organism, like a virus or a viroid, from hijacking our molecular machinery to aid in its reproduction?

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DawnieR's avatar

Humans were designed, by the Creator, to not require 'vaccines'.

It was proven long ago.....1700's, 1800's (I'm bad with dates, so don't hold me to those), that 'viruses' do not exist.

This was just one of the things that I learned, from the fake, PLANNEDemic......we'd be LIED TO, with regard to 'viruses'.

And there are many (REAL) Doctors who go over this; just to name a few......

Dr. Andrew Kaufman

Dr. Tom Cowan

Dr. Ed Group

Dr. Lee Merritt

Dr. Lee Merritt, on her Rumble channel 'The Medical Rebel', goes over these facts......

The Flying Unicorn Part1--my review of Viral Theory

https://rumble.com/v6o3gq9-the-flying-unicorn-theory-my-review-of-viral-theory.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

The Flying Unicorn: Parts 2 and 3 of examining the Viral Theory.

https://rumble.com/v6pn6cc-the-flying-unicorn-parts-2-and-3-of-examining-the-viral-theory..html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

The Flying Unicorn--Part 4 Electron microscopy vs Light Microscopy and the Viral Theory

https://rumble.com/v6q4aka-the-flying-unicorn-part-4-electron-microscopy-vs-light-microscopy-and-the-v.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

The Flying Unicorn Theory of Viruses Part 5

https://rumble.com/v6rr47r-the-flying-unicorn-theory-of-viruses-part-5.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

The Flying Unicorn and Viral Theory, Part 6. How do they fool the scientists?

https://rumble.com/v6s3015-the-flying-unicorn-and-viral-theory-part-6.-how-do-they-fool-the-scientists.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

I'm not sure if Dr. Lee is done with her Series, yet; more Parts coming?

And I'll throw in a bonus vid......

Cancer is Parasites, the Scientific Evidence, and What to Do About it. (Sound Corrected Version)

https://rumble.com/v6rn70d-cancer-is-parasites-the-scientific-evidence-and-what-to-do-about-it.-sound-.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

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Queen Lolligag's avatar

The truth is like a lion. Keep going Steve. Once the public stops conflating politics with health, we’ll be good to go. And again, once big pharma is banned from advertising, ALL your hard work and diligence will pay off.

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Amanda's avatar

Steve. I'm from New Zealand. I thought you had Barry Young's data? That being the case, could you not run this code for our data? PLEASE????

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henjin's avatar

Barry's dataset doesn't have unvaccinated people, so it's not possible to do the same type of analysis with his data.

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Amanda's avatar

Thank you. Dammit!

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Karl Elshoff's avatar

Pfizer employees get a different batch of COVID 19 shots different than the public -according to a whistleblower. Nothing suspicious here, right?!

BEWARE the cook that doesn't eat his own food.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240512170415/https://en-volve.com/2024/05/12/pfizer-whistleblower-reportedly-alleges-company-offered-separate-and-distinct-covid-19-jabs-to-workers-internal-email/

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Antoinette's avatar

During the Plandemic all other viruses seemed to have vanished. Every illness was declared to be Covid. Hospitals seized the opportunity to collect the higher payment, so they too labeled all sickness as Covid. As such, would it be possible to compile any accurate Cause of Death' data here in the USA?

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