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Steve Kirsch's avatar

The whole point of making the offer is to force a debate so we can finally find out who is telling the truth. If the cdc accepts that would be amazing. We need to make sure there is no reason that any intelligent rational person could refuse our offer. If they refuse our very reasonable offer, they look VERY bad. It would drive trust in the CDC even lower. If they accept, then everyone wins because we will expose who is telling the truth. In short, no matter what they do, we win.

And I will publicize their decision if they refuse and ask America, "why can’t we talk about it?“

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Tony's avatar

The next Plandemic is already in planning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJrhPfzqv1Y

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Tony's avatar

Steve, I fully support your amazing work to expose the truth, however I don't think letters to Rochelle Walensky or her CDC colleagues is going to work any more. It is simply the case the we have to assemble enough irrefutable evidence/proof and legal support to get these people on trial as soon as possible. If we don't, the world will find itself under renewed attack via WHO dictates very soon e.g. Plandemic #2 which will make covid look like an easy trial run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJrhPfzqv1Y

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Faith's avatar

". . any intelligent rational person could refuse our offer . . ." But they AREN'T intelligent or rational people! THAT is the problem!

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Shnarkle Von Barkle's avatar

If any intelligent rational person could refuse the offer, then why make it in the first place???

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

Doesn’t matter

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OnTheJump's avatar

Extremely well-written letter, Steve. One they will simply ignore because a refusal is an admission, and acceptance does them more harm than good - of which they are well aware .

However, PRESENTING a letter like this to them, ( perhaps sent " Certified Mail" {?} ), possibly, to some extent, boxes them into a corner.

They can NOT ignore such a reasonable proposal forever without looking as if they are doing JUST WHAT THEY ARE DOING - hiding.

And we all know the reason to hide. Ask any child.........

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jumping irving's avatar

They know there is no defense of their position.

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Lyndsey, RN 🐭's avatar

🤜🤥🤛- can I come debate as your show model! 😆🫶💙

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Garden Bear's avatar

My husband died after getting the vaccine. He already had COVID before getting the jab and had natural immunity. His Dr. said for him to get it anyway, just to be safe. He started having symptoms right after the shot that continued and worsened until his death. IMO he was murdered.

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Baldmichael's avatar

I am very sorry that your husband died. He was in essence murdered and as hoss says God will avenge.

I would however point out for future reference that Covid 19 is the 'flu re-branded to make more money for big pharma and having the 'flu does not give one natural immunity.

Only boosting one's immunity by living well, eating, drinking, sleeping well etc. can one maintain a good immune system to protect ones body. And not being afraid as perfect, strictly complete, love casts out fear.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/i-is-for-immunity/

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/h-is-for-herd-immunity/

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Sunny Daze's avatar

heart-breaking.........my most sincere condolences............

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jumping irving's avatar

We are good!

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Caroline Bollinger's avatar

So sorry. It’s awful. So many stories. There needs to be a class-action suit.

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jumping irving's avatar

Amen!

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jumping irving's avatar

God will avenge!

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RathdrumGal's avatar

But as long as their lies are allowed to continue, more people will be harmed or die. For the love of humanity, we must continue to fight for the truth to come out. The spike protein is toxic; the more you vaccinate, the sicker you will get.

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Mouzer's avatar

True, but I also want earthly justice.

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jumping irving's avatar

Right/true--me to.

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Tony's avatar

I only want to see earthly justice, any other justice is of no use to man or beast.

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Denise Raupach's avatar

We are not their judges, but we certainly can arrange the meeting between them and the One that is.

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Baldmichael's avatar

He has had words with a few already.

Here are some words of mine. They are not all pretty. I am not PC.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2022/12/13/rochelle-walensky-director-center-for-disease-control-and-prevention-cdc/

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Tony's avatar

CDCp, Center for Disease Creation and promotion more like.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Neat!

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Tony's avatar

Thanks, you are making a lot of sense. I'm not PC either , quite the opposite.

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jumping irving's avatar

u got that right.

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Tony's avatar

I like your idea.

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Tony's avatar

yes when it's too late. We need these thugs, morons, liars and psychopaths on trial NOW. Not in 10 years time.

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Baldmichael's avatar

They are on trial already and you are one of the witnesses for the prosecution.

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jumping irving's avatar

So true.

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Nan's avatar

Unconscionable

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Janet's avatar

I’m so sorry.

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Melissa T's avatar

Sorry about your husband. 🙏

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Michelle's avatar

I am so very sorry for your loss. It's horrific what's been done to people. I have no adequate words. I'm sorry.

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Big E's avatar

Dearest Garden Bear,

Your story is so tragic and so unnecessary. Doctors have been willfully blind, if not negligent. Your husband DID NOT deserve his fate. YOU did not deserve YOUR fate. We all are behind you 100% and hope you will fight the people who injured you so irrevocably as a tribute to your marriage and your husband. I cannot imagine the pain you are feeling, but I want you to know that I will continue spreading the message about these shots whenever and wherever I can.

The advice to contact Tom Renz and other lawyers putting together class action lawsuits is excellent. Here are some links to save you time. I hope these are helpful:

Renz: https://renz-law.com/if-you-or-a-loved-one-were-diagnosed-with-covid-19-and-became-ill-or-died-you-may-be-entitled-to-compensation/

Truth for Health Foundation:

https://www.truthforhealth.org/vaccine-injury-report/

https://www.truthforhealth.org/2022/02/how-to-file-a-criminal-complaint/

ICAN:

https://icandecide.org/report-a-vaccine-injury/

Siri & Glimstad (ICAN attorneys):

https://www.sirillp.com/covid-vaccine-injury/

Good luck to you, Garden Bear.

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Garden Bear's avatar

Thank you so very much for your kind words and for the links. I copy/pasted them and will follow through on the possibility of seeking justice.

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Jacques Uze's avatar

Thank you for compiling this list. @Steve: Maybe you can pin this list? I’ll bet many of your readers would find it helpful.

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jumping irving's avatar

Doctors can't speak out? https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-dark-truth-america-federation-state-medical-boards/5794682 Those who do not speak out will be judged accordingly.

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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

So sorry. I agree, he was.

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Faith's avatar

NOBODY who is COVID-recovered should get these things! Of, course, nobody else should, either! The "officials" aren't seeing the damage because they AREN'T LOOKING!

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Melissa T's avatar

They know, they all know. Either they are being blackmailed or they are all plain using this for depopulation. Sorry that’s just my opinion. For a year and a half now, I’ve been researching about these jabs after my family sorta was forcing me to get it. So my husband and I made appointments at a hospital at the time was giving out the j&j. N my husband was being sorta forced for his job. He works in nyc. The day was were suppose to get it, it was pulled bc of the first case of blood clots in some lady. I believe she passed. Anyways I said to my husband, I’m not getting this. It’s causing blood clots. That’s when I started doing my research. First video I watched was Dr Coleman. N then second one was with you, Dr. Malone and Dr Weinstein. My husband has been out of his union now since oct of last year. He’s been working local in Jersey. Anyways I’ve seen my ex injured very badly by this. He was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer in his hips spleen & pelvis. He had a 23 hr surgery to get rid of the cancer. Ive seen one of my neighbors get a kidney transplant. My attorney had a surgery as well. You think they don’t know about all these deaths and injuries? I believe they all know. Sometimes I can’t even believe the words that come out of my mouth anymore. They need to stop these shots. Especially for the children. I just wanted to say it’s not right to wanna kill or injury ppl on purpose. That’s what I truly believe at this point!

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Sukey Watson's avatar

I think the blackmail is a very real possibility. I have been reading Whitney Webb’s, One a nation Under Blackmail. Blackmail is a very threat to governance, of course is one was a honest person who had nothing to hide and had a good nose to avoid the many traps the blackmailers ( for profit ) use, one would have no real dirt upon which to get exposed. Of course none of us are perfect. He who is without sin, cast the first stone….

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Janet's avatar

I agree. So sorry. My hubby got the JNJ the first summer. He is 76 so what I see may be because he is older and ignores my advice to eat better and take care of himself. But he’s definitely frailer and losing muscle. He doesn’t tell me anything. I knew by the end of 2020 I wasn’t getting the mRNA jabs. But when it all rolled out in 2021 I told everyone I was going to wait and see. Maybe the JNJ. But heck, I then decided NOBODY was going to make me take an unknown thing into my body—which I work hard to keep healthy. I had a 5 day runny nose Covid that February so decided NOPE. Not getting any of these. I got big blowback but I don’t care. I never get flu shots either. I’m a proud anti-any-jabber now. The shocking thing to me is also the cavalier or purposeful leveling of death and injury on the people. Satans plan as this monster hates humans. From the very beginning. I 🙏🏻 you both stay strong.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Satan's plan indeed, his final fling. He thought he was was brilliant and indeed he was as Lucifer, a morning star. But his heart darkened. He became Satan and fell.

He has his minions within his web of lies, his worldwide web.

But the heavenly Father casts his Net, His internet into the waters of the people to catch the fish, the good and the bad.

Come to me all who are heavy laden and I will give you rest.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/covid-19-summary/

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Grumpy Steve's avatar

Nobody On planet earth should be getting this crap.

A vaccine was never needed or medically indicated. There was HCQ which NIH themselves identified in 2005 as curative. Tess Lawrie et al identified Ivermectin as 75% effective which was kneecapped by Andrew Hill and forces behind him.

https://rumble.com/vwfia3-a-letter-to-andrew-hill-dr-tess-lawrie-oracle-films.html

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thomas's avatar

Ivermectin is 100% effective if takin in the early stages of COVID-19.

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Garden Bear's avatar

Is Ivermectin still available? If so where?

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Grumpy Steve's avatar

In some states... Not mine because "The State" had decided to threaten doctors licenses to practice if they attempt to prescribe IVERMECTIN or HCQ...

Pharmacists have been ordered by pharmacy boards not to dispense these medications.

The State of which I speak is taxsachusetts, maskachusetts.

By the way I just got my November bill it was doubled from $220.00 my previous month of November 2021 per month to $426.00 this month.

They are trying to choak us out!

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Grumpy Steve's avatar

Tess Lawrie's assessment included combined efficacy throughout all stages of the disease. In the interest of precision I believe she said between 75% & 85% of the people who were doing at the time didn't have to and that bastard Andrew Hill who very likely was on Ivermectin himself continued and continues to this day to stonewall on this issue... He's a duckling criminal piece of human excrement. He deserves the worst treatment possible.

But other than that Thomas I have no strong feelings on the matter.

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Jacques Uze's avatar

Amen to that.

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Faith's avatar

At least not unless they are masochists and/or suicidal!

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Grumpy Steve's avatar

Yup.

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Robert Dyson's avatar

Yes, terrible.

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ladyskay's avatar

Garden Bear, I am so sorry for your loss.

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Dana's avatar

I am sorry. If your husband had natural immunity and doctor pushed the shot, he or she should be sued. I'm not for frivolous lawsuits, but this is a clear case of medical malpractice.

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Faith's avatar

YES YES, YES! These extremely irresponsible doctors MUST be held accountable for the deaths they are responsible for!

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Garden Bear's avatar

Thank you for the sympathy, it really means so much to know there are enlightened souls that care about what happened. I agree it is malpractice. I am quite certain that this is only one of many cases in which this happened. I am also sure that this is the very reason that someone, somewhere, somehow, decided to disallow any and all liability for doing this to us. Just the fact that they created a situation whereby they can do things they know are wrong and get away with it proves that they intended to do just that from the very beginning.

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Faith's avatar

They will NOT get away with it! They lose all liability protection in cases of fraud—as these shots clearly are!

Please get copies of his medical records, including from any autopsy that may have been performed, and get in touch with one of the lawyers who are preparing class action lawsuits such as attorney Tom Renz. You will want to be included as an injured party seeking compensation, say $100 million? ONLY by hitting those people where it hurts, in their pockets, will this B.S. STOP!!!! And those lawsuits will acquire evidence needed later for the criminal proceedings.

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mary-lou's avatar

we're their lab rats. the idyit doctors and medical establishment are useful tools. the perpetrators gleefully observe.

so sorry for your loss, will put up an extra candle tonight, be well.

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Dana's avatar

I have natural immunity and fired my doctor for pushing the covid shot on me. She did not know I had a doctorate degree in microbiology. She is totally ignorant and does not even know what mrna is or how it works. That is what doctors do. Tell us to obey them even if they have no idea of what they are talking about. None of that will bring back your husband I am so sorry for your loss.

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SomeChick's avatar

In Sept 2021 my new PCP (replacing my retired PCP) refused my valid and painstakingly researched medical exemption request as I "do not meet CDC guidelines". Working as an RN for almost 40 years, I don't remember MD's bowing down to CDC dictates, e.g. "One Size Fits All" without individual consideration for the patient. Then again, I also do not remember state medical boards threatening MD's jobs and license to practice over "misinformation".

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Jacques Uze's avatar

That is right. Nothing will. But I think it is important for people to start paying for what they’ve done—lawsuits, jail time, losing jobs/licenses—so this doesn’t keep happening.

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Janet's avatar

Big PHARMA is their teacher. Many would have nothing for you if they weren’t trained by the pharmaceuticals. I’ve fired several docs in the past because all they wanted to do was medicate me. I had Covid before the shots. I’m 74. Eat healthy and exercise. Spend time outdoors. My Vit D level is consistently between 70 and 90. I believe that’s a key requirement for good health and a fighting strength immune system. I had a hip replacement in September after an accident and I was off crutches and a cane in about 5 weeks. Walking normal now. I stay out of docs offices as much as possible. Natural health remedies are my first go to. My functional medicine doc I’ve seen for thyroid said I knew more about the jabs than she did. No one in her office is jabbed. I feel safe there.

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Garden Bear's avatar

Thank you so much for you kind words Dana. I am in awe of you for having a PhD in Microbiology! I found that to be a very complex and intense subject. It is also quite fascinating, I took one microbiology class while studying for my undergrad degree in Agriculture, Botany and Environmental Ethics. I loved learning a little about how cells work. Tip of the iceberg so to speak. You must be very intelligent to be able to get all the way through to a doctorate in that field. .../salute It is wonderful that you put your knowledge to use to save yourself from an inept physician. Bravo!!

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Patti's avatar

They are VERY bad!

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Robert Dyson's avatar

This is a fascinating psychological problem. They a people who for 3 years have promoted misinformation, and a pseudo-vaccine. Had that not made much difference probably they would still have a problem admitting a mistake. As it is, huge damage has been done in lots of ways mainly by vaccine injury and lockdown harms. People have suffered and died, small businesses have been destroyed, livelihoods trashed. They know they are in a lose-lose game now that I think causes decision paralysis. Dictators will fight to the end with any means possible when they are trapped.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Regarding pseudo-vaccine, all vaccines are and were pseudo, that is the problem. None of them ever did any good, and harmed or killed many.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2022/08/17/what-is-the-flu-a-k-a-covid-19-and-why-vaccines-are-pointless-at-best/

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Colleen's avatar

Agreed! They cannot ever give up the lie now! As more people wake up; they will only double down and dig themselves into the hole deeper!

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mary-lou's avatar

it won't make all the unintended consequences, sadness and grief any less painful :-((

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Janet's avatar

Then we must be prepared to cover the holes. 6 feet deep holes for some.

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mary-lou's avatar

corruption can only be remedied through transparency, both liars and their lies need to be exposed.

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Janet's avatar

The proven guilty must be punished.

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mary-lou's avatar

very true.

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mary-lou's avatar

probably why masking is made mandatory in PA again.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Masks of the Beast.

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Sirka Sie's avatar

I will NEVER comply to any of their horseshit again, EVER!

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mary-lou's avatar

same here! besides, don't we have our own horseshit, I mean horse'paste'? ;-))

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Baldmichael's avatar

Horseshit is very useful specially on the rhubarb.

On the vegetable plot, not once cooked of course. One has to make these thing clear nowadays. Not that you will make that mistake but somebody might and you can't be too careful.

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mary-lou's avatar

tru dat. dumb's everywhere these days.

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Kathleen Devanney. A human.'s avatar

ignore it - that's the only response that matters

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Janet's avatar

Exactly. I’m prepared to ignore any more of that in my blue state. I did in the first round—I sure can do it again. I’m sure I’ll have more company if they try it again here.

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Faith's avatar

They are trying to control us, but it is going to backfire because they are just demonstrating how stupid and out of touch with reality they are.

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mary-lou's avatar

very true!

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Faith's avatar

Cornered RATS!

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Dana's avatar

It is a psychological problem, yet we allowed it acquiesced and never fought back.

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Faith's avatar

Some of us never acquiesced!

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Garden Bear's avatar

One reason that there has been so little resistance is the fact that we have been treated with neurotoxins for decades now. One of the main effects of this poisoning is a state of confused non-resistance. If we stopped poisoning our citizens, things would change for the better rather quickly.

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Faith's avatar

And fluoride in the water!

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Baldmichael's avatar

Very true. There is a lot of other toxic waste there too.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2021/11/04/fluoridation-uk-alert/

And Tom Lehrer - Pollution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz_-KNNl-no

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Robert Dyson's avatar

Some truth in that. Health has been gradually medicalized, as junk food has been promoted.

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Janet's avatar

There’s a drug now for insulin resistance. But All people need to do is adjust their lifestyle and avoid too much sugar, processed food and lower carbs. Fixed in most cases. No. My friend will never give up her SAD diet—just take the drug—it will be ok. Even though the side affects can be rather unpleasant. Modern processed food is designed to hook you and send you into the clutches of the pharmaceutical-SickCare complex.

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Lisa's avatar

Some did. But there was and is a disturbing passivity and conformity. What are all these expensive college degrees worth if no one can think?

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Baldmichael's avatar

expensive college degrees = toilet paper

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mary-lou's avatar

students are not encouraged to think or have an independent mind. and too many of us have been lulled into a comfortable, highly consumptive existence with comforts previously unattainable, resulting in a loss of critical thinking.

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Robert Dyson's avatar

Steve Kirsch has been fighting back from early on. He funded the fluvoxamine trial and banged on after that on all fronts. I too in 2021 wrote up my views on covid, the stats, and the vaccine and circulated it to medic & research friends - with mixed results. There has been lots of fight back but those in power have huge resources to resist for a long time by means fair and foul. Official misinformation and fear created a kind of herd immunity to the truth in the majority of people.

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UnExperts Inc.'s avatar

I agree. Even if you don't, or this doesn't, succeed in destroying them, you're leaving an objective (and massive) paper trail. Not just this, but all that you have been doing previous to this latest. None (bold) of the 'experts' will talk to you? That's weird and damning.

Going forward, this will be huge. A major piece of the puzzle. I love it.

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Vanessa's avatar

I agree wholeheartedly but I don’t see it happening.

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JTwig's avatar

I'm not going to hold my breath. If the point is to "force a debate so we can finally find out who is telling the truth" then such a debate isn't in the CDC's best interest. While you rightfully point out their censoring is slowly backfiring on them, they currently have complete control over the narrative. Unless something drastically changes, they have no incentive to change tactics yet.

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Garden Bear's avatar

I would like to get some Ivermectin and or HCQ before the moguls make it so that we can not find it anywhere on earth. It might be a good idea to have a citizens stockpile of these valuable and useful medicines.

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rksplash's avatar

Whoever came up with this scam understood that when people get caught causing serious harm, abandoning an oath they took, lying and hiding the truth they will never come back and admit that they messed up. It's a one way street so the people now have to create their own agency as a protection. You're not going to get any help from the existing.

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California Girl's avatar

I can recommend a YouTube video by JP: youtu.be/D70kZDLGr4Q

The Narrative is Crumbling - 16 Reasons by Awakening with JP

He says: "Brilliance of the narrative is really off the charts on this one as we’re continuously told we need to be nasally raped repeatedly in order to control the spread of this uncontrollable disease, which is called contagiousness while doing so using a test not authorized to evaluate contagiousness, according to Rochelle Walensky who is very qualified for her job by the way because she is not a man and may or may not be white. I can’t tell. Even CNN now says the CDC is a punchline which is kind of like an obese person calling you fat."

Also: "Open debate always leads to the best most truthful ideas winning out. The only purpose of censorship is to hide the truth so a worse idea built on lies can win and because free speech has been replaced with censored speech,"

Walenksy is not going to debate.

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thomas's avatar

Even low information folks are waking up.

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Baldmichael's avatar

Glad to hear that.

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Isabellita's avatar

Very well stated, however, given the intended recipient, likely will be ignored. So sad.

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HillsideFarmer's avatar

Awesome letter, Steve. I doubt the CDC will agree to a debate, though. They will probably just continue with their genocidal propaganda.

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Richard Winn Henderson's avatar

Steve keep up the good work! For every person who hears you and decides not to engage in an experiment that could kill them, you and society in general, will be blessed.

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William H Warrick III MD's avatar

Dr Walensjy now has another excuse, "The Dog ate our Agreement with the Drug Dealers". What effect will this have on Governor DeSantis' and Dr Ladapo's Grand Jury?

Israeli Ministry of Health claimed in court they were unable to locate a signed agreement with Pfizer

https://expose-news.com/2022/12/18/israeli-gov-unable-to-locate-agreement-with-pfizer/

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Debra's avatar

Unable, my arse. Unable because they shredded the orginal. lol. Who can honestly believe the lies that come out of these monsters mouths?

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Mark Leo's avatar

They will never agree to a debate because they know they are selling snake oil so their only defense is to attack the other side with smears and censorship or to completely ignore the issue. They can get away with this tactic because the corrupt media covers for them. They do this no matter the cost. Sad, shameful…Evil!

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Stephen Wolper's avatar

At this point, I think I would have a hard time engaging in that debate. After all the years of vaccinations, that work, and save lives, and we’ve seen that proved it becomes tedious to just repeat that back to these people who have a political reason to deny the usefulness of a vaccine. Sadly, that’s the reason for too many deaths.

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Jlpoag2's avatar

That's a perfect challenge Steve. Wish she would take it.

However we both know that none of them will take the challenge because they all know they would loose and that it is THEY who are spreading the misinformation and you are simply spreading the MISSED information that we all hunger for and need. Thank You Thank You!

Someone 'famous' once said, "Seek truth from facts". Thank You for doing that to your great credit and our great fortune.

The CIA has another teaching.

1) Admit to nothing.

2) DENY EVERYTHING.

3) Make counter accusations...

Dr Fauci before congress comes to mind.

I wonder if they have all been schooled in this method???

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TheRussianMystic's avatar

Walensky is a viper. I get physically sick when I watch her. Such a cold-blooded predator.

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Baldmichael's avatar

I laugh and ridicule her. Then judge her.

https://alphaandomegacloud.wordpress.com/2022/12/13/rochelle-walensky-director-center-for-disease-control-and-prevention-cdc/

P.S. An anagram of her full name is 'Allah lop yew cruel snake', so viper spot on.

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Larry Kiehl's avatar

Steve, my concern is that you're getting too "punch drunk" in what I think should be more sober correspondence with Walensky et al. Referring to yourself as a super spreader, though comical to you and the rest of us followers, is neither functional nor smart given your objective to debate them, get truth/facts on the table. I'm guessing they're not laughing at your antics, just getting more pissed off, and avoiding or you, assuming they could be any more avoiding.

I can completely understand your frustration with futile ongoing attempts to get any of them to engage you and how that can lead you to a WTF-attitude; like why be serious any longer, why not just have fun with it, and the like.

But is that working?!

I don't see them ever being willing to embarrass themselves in debate with you, whether you're "sober" about your approach or not. But it seems like your time could be better spent trying to forward your objectives than with sarcastic pokes at them. I'm not saying I have the solutions to this quandary, just hoping you find a way that gets results short of law suits; which might be the only viable solution.

In any case, I'm sure you know we all truly appreciate your ongoing endeavors in righting this pandemic fiasco for us and the world. We're behind you.

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