Here is a list of the open $1M bets and the proposed term sheet for initial negotiation. You can accept any for as little as $200K. Or you can invest in the side fund for $100 or more.
I have explained a better way Steve, destroy the CAUSE of our plight rather than wail insignificantly against CONSEQUENCES that never should have happened - the data you rely upon to prove your irrelevant (though important in time) points.
You KNOW exactly what I'm talking about Steve and you also know that B.A.D.A.S.S is right over the CAUSE'S target. Although I haven't attempted to contact Peter Navarro, I would challenge him to take the B.A.D.A.S.S. Narrative Trap challenge as well but he can't because his role is to defend Trump's acceptance and acquiescence to the False Narrative, an egregious error which has given the world the deadly vaccine at the Warp Speed of Science. The nonsense he spews about how many people were or could be saved is dependent upon the fraudulent model projections, and that position is both intellectually and morally repugnant.
The worst part of the continual rejection from those who know better is that we are all on the same side here! Bring Peter and your buddies at Rootclaim ROCKS along if you think they can break the challenge. I will say this, if ROOTclaim focuses on Consequences as you do, then it isn't over the CAUSE (False Narrative DECEITS) and cannot claim to have debugged the process to the root cause. Just saying.
You are doing a tremendous job! Thank you again for your courage and inspiring myself to spend the truth as well. We need to stand with those people who lost loved ones or became injured. They tried doing what they were told was for “the greater good” and then shunned once their body acted differently. I’ll do whatever it takes to have them recognized and ensure they don’t give up! https://anchor.fm/jsk/episodes/mRNA-Science-NOT-Fiction---59-e1mcab8
Just find a peer reviewed scientific paper where there is isolation, purification, characterization and causation studies on this alleged virus. If you think they exist there should be physical isolation, not computer simulations
Edit: See my reply to this comment, I jumped to conclusions too hastily. Original comment:
Just figured I'd mention here in the comments that Steve's offers here are and always were completely fake. When Rootclaim attempted to accept one of these bets, Steve refused to provide clarification on the exact terms, then tried to insist that Rootclaim share the results of their research *before* Steve accepted the bet, then finally just flat out refused to pay up.
Here is a transcript of the conversation they had:
Note for example Steve's offer on page 7 to accept the bet only on the condition that if he loses, Rootclaim returns the money privately, and they both keep this a secret from the public.
Steve also completely eschewed their "impartial judges" criterion, and at once point attempted to have the *readers of this blog* act as the judges. I would have a hard time coming up with a group of people who would be more biased towards one side of the debate.
Another beautiful quote on page 15: "Steven Kirsch: you aren't going to back out of this are you? I'm certainly not!"
Around page 18 Steve attempts to weasel out of the bet again by changing the terms to "every judge must be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt", and the bet is cancelled if this bar is not met.
On page 21, Steve attempts to change the terms yet again by requiring that half of the judges are unvaccinated, then finally backs out completely.
Long story short: Steve is completely correct when he points out that people who are not willing to bet on their beliefs are signaling a lack of confidence in their expressed opinions and should not be taken seriously. And Steve has just demonstrated that he is a perfect example of one of those people.
I still think that Steve's behavior in that transcript was dishonorable, but my extrapolations about their overarching personality and willingness to bet were likely inaccurate. (Though we won't know for sure until they actually pay up if they lose.)
Hello Steve, I can't afford to take your challenges BUT can you afford to take my free Narrative Trap challenge because my analysis shows all your COVID-19 related challenges to be, um, irrelevant to the spread of Tyranny. If you can break the logic I run and hide BUT if you can't then all your challenges belong to B.A.D.A.S.S., and maybe the world can finally figure out that fighting consequences is for losers.
My site is NOT monetized! I seek the Truth of Reality, as ugly as that may be. My analysis looks for the CAUSE of our predicaments, CONSEQUENCES (masks, vaccines, etc) that transfer wealth and freedom from the Ruled to the Rulers are mere "bugs" that trigger my analysis.
thanks for your relentless engagement in bringing to light the truth behind the COVID agenda.
I think a real good match for several of your bets, especially the safety of mRNA vaccines, would be German Secretary of Health Karl Lauterbach, who claimed the vaccines to be practically without or mostly without side effects on several occasions. He is by far one of Germanys most radical mRNA vaccine advocates and earned some wider popularity as proposed health expert of the Social Democratic Party appearing regularly in Mainstream talk shows before taking office in late 2021. As Harvard Graduate and approbated physician he should be quite eager to argue about any safety concerns.
> you double your money if you bet on the right side
You get a share of the money on the opposing side of the bet. You only double your money if there is the exact same amount on both sides of the side bet.
> (a) the people COVID vaccine kills more people per capita than (b) the smallpox vaccine
Your team lays out it's evidence for the existence of the virus in a video production citing papers, pointing to methodologies in those papers, etc. that provide irrefutable proof of the virus existence and anything else you can think of..... opposing team does the same..... then both teams produce a rebuttal video production on the claims made by either side and air. Repeat as many times as necessary. Let the people decide. Drop all the legal crap as you guys on most points share the same desire for health freedom! Maybe air all productions on a platform like the Highwire?? Worst case scenario.... excellent viewing and scientific discourse!
Human exposure toAcanthamoeba spp. is likely a common event, as evidenced by the relatively frequent finding of the organisms in pharyngeal swab cultures of healthy individuals.1
Which is a major suggestion that its not an "infectious" agent.
Moreover, this is also said:
Although exposure of the general population toAcanthamoeba appears to be common, GAE caused byAcanthamoeba spp. is mostly limited to debilitated or immunosuppressed individuals, although a number of recent cases in immunocompetent individuals have been reported.1,47–50
And the fact that it seemingly only "infects" those who are immuno compromised, strongly suggests AGAIN that its not a "virus" and is likely a microbe. Just like the people who discovered it thought for 10 years.
IMO it will ALWAYS be a problem. The purists - kinda like me will ALWAYS have another question...striking at the root...
One question is the most basic one I can think of. Where does a virus come from? According to every
"definition" I can find, it is said 1. A virus is not alive. 2. It has to have a host to reproduce.
Wait...that brings me to another question. If it is not alive then how does it reproduce? How can anything that is not alive multiply? Truly an amazing phenomenon.
That is just getting me started...
And depending on the answers, I have a couple more ... :)
Over the last 25+ years I have treated more than 250 people for "dis-ease" using Oxidative therapy.
Longest time it took for recovery was 4 days = and that was supposedly the "toughest" parasite on the planet. I have not treated someone with cancer, which can take from 1 month to 3 months if not too far progressed or the immune system too compromised from previous chemo or radiation or surgery.
Food poisoning, toothache , "flu", cold symptoms, bronchitis, Lyme dis-ease in my dog (overnight/twice). Parasites, or pathogens including Girardia. Chrons (sp?). Malaria. And many more that I can not remember.
So the question for me is not what they call it. To me it seems to be about toxins, pathogens. But when push comes to shove, does it really doesn't matter what it is called?
I was not the one administering the treatment but I witnessed this with my own eyes. A man with a tumor the size of a lemon on his face was treated with what they call Indian Blood. In about 10 days that tumor literally fell off of his face and left a gaping hole that eventually healed up like there was nothing ever there. According to western medicine it was a "miracle". The only thing surprising to me is the unwillingness to recognize that the "approved" treatments are Bovine Excrement.
A $Million would go a VERY long way with supplying Indian Blood or Oxidative therapies to whomever would like to use them. They are both pretty cheap and available.
We can either continue to "argue" and bet and debate until Steve runs out of money :). And I don't think anyone would wish that on him!!!! Or we can actually help each other by spreading the word about methods and modes and therapies that are more effective than anything Western Medicine has to offer = and allow people to live healthy lives.
So come on Coach. Why you just teased us? Give us more information on Indian Blood / Oxidation therapies. Or at least give me more info! plantsbypaul@gmail.com
Forgive me,,, it was not a tease... the Indian blood is a combination of 4 or 5 herbs... from India.
I have the combo somewhere, will post it later ... or maybe find it on a search engine.
Hydr -OXY - chloroquine is one... Hydrogen Per-Oxide is another. ANYTHING with OXY in the name is using it... and if patented along with other "delivery" or activating ingredients. Chlorine helps deliver OXY into the tissues... I started researching on myself with Jim Humble long ago. And I didn't believe him until I had used it for several years... If you need a simple, effective solution quickly,.... then do some BREATHWORK! Just BREATHE! 5 minutes a day do this... inhale thru nose for 6 seconds, hold for 2 seconds, exhale through mouth for 7 seconds. That is a total of 15 seconds per breath... 4 breaths per minute. For more on CDS go to Andreas Kalcker website. When you truly have information like this, fear goes away...and life begins to look much different.
But before anyone tries to answer my questions its vitally important that we know exactly what we are talking about... so DEFINITIONS are needed. EXACTLY what do these terms mean?
Virus?
Alive?
Reproduce?
Thats enough to get it started.
And PLEASE do not assume anything about me...I have no stake in Steves claims or disproving them. Its just that my experiences have given me a completely different perspective. Do virus exist? As represented as causative factors in dis-ease? Maybe.
Your energy has already been lost to the algorithms of the corrupt system. Your execution is at the same level of consciousness that has created the problem. You’ve lost and pose no threat to the current base. If you did, much more would have happened to you by now to marginalize your actions and abilities; this is an inarguable fact anyone playing The Game knows. If you truly want to take on the corrupt system, then engage the rare original Outliers who exist outside your axiomatic prison. It is your only hope. Ready yet? Or is drowning within the insanity the way you wish to burn out?
Just a suggestion. Bullet (3) regarding “COVID.” Is there a definition of “COVID?” The virus surely causes a flu I call COVID.1. The complication that sends folks to the ER: I call that COVID.2. But the replication stage is over. Does the virus cause it? Maybe an immune reaction to an antigen ... the spike protein? ... is the mechanism. I’m not clear on this point. It can still be said SARS2 is the cause if it would not happen otherwise. I’m not looking for an argument, only clarification. Oh...and why do people die? Take away remdesivir, what is the mortality? Thanks!
COVID is used interchangeably for the flu and the in-patient condition, which are very different. I still think that distinction is necessary in the discussion. It is a point of contention to say the virus causes the latter when it is no longer present. Does the virus cause COVID? The “best” answer is “yes” (remember SATs?) but it there is ambiguity because the link between the virus and the “COVID” disease described by hospital personnel is not clear. Not only is the cause of the thrombosis not entirely clear (as far as I know) but the link to the virus is broken by the absence of the virus and the complications of hospital protocols that have long been confused with the disease.
It’s unfortunate that this time and attention isn’t being allowed to focus on conducting the experiments that Cowan et. al. have been recommending.
True scientific inquiry, not individually centered debate, is what has a chance of shifting us out of this exhausting rut.
In lieu of any takers (crowd goes “yawn”) take the proposed prize money and contribute a portion of it towards making the Cowan/Bailey trials even better.
If not conclusive, they may provide us all with an opportunity to further pursue truth and leave behind assumptions which have transformed into competing belief systems - and ensured divisiveness in perpetuity.
No, it doesn't change my mind because those "viruses" have not been isolated from all potentially contaminating material. That is not the scientific method by my understanding.
I will ask Dr Cowan directly this week, but I have heard him say on more than one occasion that they have the money. Besides, that's a moot point if even the premise of the experiment is under question.
You have absolutely no idea what you're seeing under an "optical microscope" if it hasn't first been ISOLATED & PURIFIED.
I could take a random sample of something of unknown origin, stick it under a microscope, circle a few particles, add in a few arrows & labels and BOOM! VIRUS. That is exactly how credible your argument is.
2 of the biggest problems here are step 1 is always omitted from these experiments - no isolation. And there is never a control. Why do you continue to disregard these critical points? Is it acceptable to arbitrarily change the definition of a word that means 1 thing in every other industry - and even the CDC CLEARLY knows what it means when they tell you to ISOLATE if you are exposed to someone with "symptoms". In that context, we all understand that ISOLATING means ALONE, BY ITSELF/ONESELF, NOTHING ELSE IS ADDED. In virology, ISOLATION suddenly changed to mean the exact opposite of that - TO COMBINE WITH OTHER GENETIC RNA/DNA MATERIAL. Does that really seem logical to you Steve?
Is it acceptable to omit a control experiment when trying to determine scientific truths of somethings existence? The scientific method says a BIG HELL NO.
Therefore, whatever nonsense virologists BELIEVE they are doing, is NOT REAL SCIENCE. End of story.
I also find it interesting that your entire premise above is based on BELIEF only. Science isn't about BELIEF, CONSENSUS, POLLS, VOTING.
Its absolutely hilarious that you don't see the issues with your statements. THIS IS WHY NO ONE WILL DEBATE YOU. You're making an as of yourself, running around like a child proclaiming "I'm Steve, look how rich I am! I'm always right and anyone who disagrees with me is WRONG WRONG WRONG! I HAVE "EXPERTS" WHO TELL ME WHAT TO THINK! Forget that these experts are captured by Big Pharma - the majority of their funding & contracts come directly from the companies currently maiming & killing everyone!"
Shed the ego. Its not a good look and people who once supported you are becoming disgusted by your attitude & approach lately.
Perhaps learn how to be a little more humble & open minded. This entire discussion has become hostile largely because of your terrible approach & attitude. I'm continually amazing at how little self awareness you have.
LOL. Maybe someday you'll have a moment of clarity.
If you have a better, faster, cheaper way to solve the problem, I'm all ears.
If you have suggestions to improve this document, I'm all ears.
If you are just going to insult my work without providing a better alternative, that isn't useful.
rootclaim posted a $100K bet on the lab leak so if $200K is too high, please accept their bet.
Rootclaim ROCKS. They use a $100K bet if you want to challenge them. Nobody does.
I dare you with this one Steve:
The million dollar bet of life: win up to 2 millions if you prove that abortion isn’t immoral
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/scientific-proof-that-abortion-is.html
It was my earlier blog.
Now here:
16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet
Politics got us in, politics is the way out ... after prayers!
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison
I have explained a better way Steve, destroy the CAUSE of our plight rather than wail insignificantly against CONSEQUENCES that never should have happened - the data you rely upon to prove your irrelevant (though important in time) points.
https://www.minds.com/badass_the_reaper/blog/could-steve-kirsch-beat-the-b-a-d-a-s-s-narrative-trap-chall-1414445489989881857
You KNOW exactly what I'm talking about Steve and you also know that B.A.D.A.S.S is right over the CAUSE'S target. Although I haven't attempted to contact Peter Navarro, I would challenge him to take the B.A.D.A.S.S. Narrative Trap challenge as well but he can't because his role is to defend Trump's acceptance and acquiescence to the False Narrative, an egregious error which has given the world the deadly vaccine at the Warp Speed of Science. The nonsense he spews about how many people were or could be saved is dependent upon the fraudulent model projections, and that position is both intellectually and morally repugnant.
The worst part of the continual rejection from those who know better is that we are all on the same side here! Bring Peter and your buddies at Rootclaim ROCKS along if you think they can break the challenge. I will say this, if ROOTclaim focuses on Consequences as you do, then it isn't over the CAUSE (False Narrative DECEITS) and cannot claim to have debugged the process to the root cause. Just saying.
You are doing a tremendous job! Thank you again for your courage and inspiring myself to spend the truth as well. We need to stand with those people who lost loved ones or became injured. They tried doing what they were told was for “the greater good” and then shunned once their body acted differently. I’ll do whatever it takes to have them recognized and ensure they don’t give up! https://anchor.fm/jsk/episodes/mRNA-Science-NOT-Fiction---59-e1mcab8
The link in #9 (Bangladesh mask study) is no good
Just find a peer reviewed scientific paper where there is isolation, purification, characterization and causation studies on this alleged virus. If you think they exist there should be physical isolation, not computer simulations
Edit: See my reply to this comment, I jumped to conclusions too hastily. Original comment:
Just figured I'd mention here in the comments that Steve's offers here are and always were completely fake. When Rootclaim attempted to accept one of these bets, Steve refused to provide clarification on the exact terms, then tried to insist that Rootclaim share the results of their research *before* Steve accepted the bet, then finally just flat out refused to pay up.
Here is a transcript of the conversation they had:
https://www.skirsch.com/covid/SaarWilf.pdf
Note for example Steve's offer on page 7 to accept the bet only on the condition that if he loses, Rootclaim returns the money privately, and they both keep this a secret from the public.
Steve also completely eschewed their "impartial judges" criterion, and at once point attempted to have the *readers of this blog* act as the judges. I would have a hard time coming up with a group of people who would be more biased towards one side of the debate.
Another beautiful quote on page 15: "Steven Kirsch: you aren't going to back out of this are you? I'm certainly not!"
Around page 18 Steve attempts to weasel out of the bet again by changing the terms to "every judge must be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt", and the bet is cancelled if this bar is not met.
On page 21, Steve attempts to change the terms yet again by requiring that half of the judges are unvaccinated, then finally backs out completely.
Long story short: Steve is completely correct when he points out that people who are not willing to bet on their beliefs are signaling a lack of confidence in their expressed opinions and should not be taken seriously. And Steve has just demonstrated that he is a perfect example of one of those people.
Update: Looks like I was incorrect, they managed to figure out the terms of the bet after all:
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/saar-wilf-founder-of-rootclaim-has
I still think that Steve's behavior in that transcript was dishonorable, but my extrapolations about their overarching personality and willingness to bet were likely inaccurate. (Though we won't know for sure until they actually pay up if they lose.)
My apologies to Steve for jumping to conclusions.
For those interested, there's a prediction market here on whether the bet will end up going though:
https://manifold.markets/IsaacKing/will-the-steve-kirschrootclaim-bet
Hello Steve, I can't afford to take your challenges BUT can you afford to take my free Narrative Trap challenge because my analysis shows all your COVID-19 related challenges to be, um, irrelevant to the spread of Tyranny. If you can break the logic I run and hide BUT if you can't then all your challenges belong to B.A.D.A.S.S., and maybe the world can finally figure out that fighting consequences is for losers.
My site is NOT monetized! I seek the Truth of Reality, as ugly as that may be. My analysis looks for the CAUSE of our predicaments, CONSEQUENCES (masks, vaccines, etc) that transfer wealth and freedom from the Ruled to the Rulers are mere "bugs" that trigger my analysis.
https://www.minds.com/badass_the_reaper/blog/could-steve-kirsch-beat-the-b-a-d-a-s-s-narrative-trap-chall-1414445489989881857
BTW, StopTheWEF.org
My monies on the MIT grad, all the way!
Hi Steve,
thanks for your relentless engagement in bringing to light the truth behind the COVID agenda.
I think a real good match for several of your bets, especially the safety of mRNA vaccines, would be German Secretary of Health Karl Lauterbach, who claimed the vaccines to be practically without or mostly without side effects on several occasions. He is by far one of Germanys most radical mRNA vaccine advocates and earned some wider popularity as proposed health expert of the Social Democratic Party appearing regularly in Mainstream talk shows before taking office in late 2021. As Harvard Graduate and approbated physician he should be quite eager to argue about any safety concerns.
https://twitter.com/Karl_Lauterbach
Perhaps you already had the opportunity to exchange opinions?
I found a couple of small errors in your post:
> you double your money if you bet on the right side
You get a share of the money on the opposing side of the bet. You only double your money if there is the exact same amount on both sides of the side bet.
> (a) the people COVID vaccine kills more people per capita than (b) the smallpox vaccine
That first "people" shouldn't be there.
Your team lays out it's evidence for the existence of the virus in a video production citing papers, pointing to methodologies in those papers, etc. that provide irrefutable proof of the virus existence and anything else you can think of..... opposing team does the same..... then both teams produce a rebuttal video production on the claims made by either side and air. Repeat as many times as necessary. Let the people decide. Drop all the legal crap as you guys on most points share the same desire for health freedom! Maybe air all productions on a platform like the Highwire?? Worst case scenario.... excellent viewing and scientific discourse!
Really?
If you read this:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/immunology-and-microbiology/acanthamoeba-polyphaga
Youll see that it says:
Human exposure toAcanthamoeba spp. is likely a common event, as evidenced by the relatively frequent finding of the organisms in pharyngeal swab cultures of healthy individuals.1
Which is a major suggestion that its not an "infectious" agent.
Moreover, this is also said:
Although exposure of the general population toAcanthamoeba appears to be common, GAE caused byAcanthamoeba spp. is mostly limited to debilitated or immunosuppressed individuals, although a number of recent cases in immunocompetent individuals have been reported.1,47–50
And the fact that it seemingly only "infects" those who are immuno compromised, strongly suggests AGAIN that its not a "virus" and is likely a microbe. Just like the people who discovered it thought for 10 years.
What if I want to bet with you?
IMO it will ALWAYS be a problem. The purists - kinda like me will ALWAYS have another question...striking at the root...
One question is the most basic one I can think of. Where does a virus come from? According to every
"definition" I can find, it is said 1. A virus is not alive. 2. It has to have a host to reproduce.
Wait...that brings me to another question. If it is not alive then how does it reproduce? How can anything that is not alive multiply? Truly an amazing phenomenon.
That is just getting me started...
And depending on the answers, I have a couple more ... :)
Over the last 25+ years I have treated more than 250 people for "dis-ease" using Oxidative therapy.
Longest time it took for recovery was 4 days = and that was supposedly the "toughest" parasite on the planet. I have not treated someone with cancer, which can take from 1 month to 3 months if not too far progressed or the immune system too compromised from previous chemo or radiation or surgery.
Food poisoning, toothache , "flu", cold symptoms, bronchitis, Lyme dis-ease in my dog (overnight/twice). Parasites, or pathogens including Girardia. Chrons (sp?). Malaria. And many more that I can not remember.
So the question for me is not what they call it. To me it seems to be about toxins, pathogens. But when push comes to shove, does it really doesn't matter what it is called?
I was not the one administering the treatment but I witnessed this with my own eyes. A man with a tumor the size of a lemon on his face was treated with what they call Indian Blood. In about 10 days that tumor literally fell off of his face and left a gaping hole that eventually healed up like there was nothing ever there. According to western medicine it was a "miracle". The only thing surprising to me is the unwillingness to recognize that the "approved" treatments are Bovine Excrement.
A $Million would go a VERY long way with supplying Indian Blood or Oxidative therapies to whomever would like to use them. They are both pretty cheap and available.
We can either continue to "argue" and bet and debate until Steve runs out of money :). And I don't think anyone would wish that on him!!!! Or we can actually help each other by spreading the word about methods and modes and therapies that are more effective than anything Western Medicine has to offer = and allow people to live healthy lives.
So come on Coach. Why you just teased us? Give us more information on Indian Blood / Oxidation therapies. Or at least give me more info! plantsbypaul@gmail.com
Forgive me,,, it was not a tease... the Indian blood is a combination of 4 or 5 herbs... from India.
I have the combo somewhere, will post it later ... or maybe find it on a search engine.
Hydr -OXY - chloroquine is one... Hydrogen Per-Oxide is another. ANYTHING with OXY in the name is using it... and if patented along with other "delivery" or activating ingredients. Chlorine helps deliver OXY into the tissues... I started researching on myself with Jim Humble long ago. And I didn't believe him until I had used it for several years... If you need a simple, effective solution quickly,.... then do some BREATHWORK! Just BREATHE! 5 minutes a day do this... inhale thru nose for 6 seconds, hold for 2 seconds, exhale through mouth for 7 seconds. That is a total of 15 seconds per breath... 4 breaths per minute. For more on CDS go to Andreas Kalcker website. When you truly have information like this, fear goes away...and life begins to look much different.
Thanks. Will check it out Coach
INDIAN HERB INGREDIENTS
Blood Root (Indian Paint)
Yellow dock
Licorice
Galangal
Zinc Chloride
Mac-Life Water
You can find info on it on google. surprise!!!! If you desire more personal aid, coachdaniel@protonmail.com
But before anyone tries to answer my questions its vitally important that we know exactly what we are talking about... so DEFINITIONS are needed. EXACTLY what do these terms mean?
Virus?
Alive?
Reproduce?
Thats enough to get it started.
And PLEASE do not assume anything about me...I have no stake in Steves claims or disproving them. Its just that my experiences have given me a completely different perspective. Do virus exist? As represented as causative factors in dis-ease? Maybe.
Your energy has already been lost to the algorithms of the corrupt system. Your execution is at the same level of consciousness that has created the problem. You’ve lost and pose no threat to the current base. If you did, much more would have happened to you by now to marginalize your actions and abilities; this is an inarguable fact anyone playing The Game knows. If you truly want to take on the corrupt system, then engage the rare original Outliers who exist outside your axiomatic prison. It is your only hope. Ready yet? Or is drowning within the insanity the way you wish to burn out?
Viruses have never been proven to cause disease or even to exist. You can keep your money
Hi Steve,
Just a suggestion. Bullet (3) regarding “COVID.” Is there a definition of “COVID?” The virus surely causes a flu I call COVID.1. The complication that sends folks to the ER: I call that COVID.2. But the replication stage is over. Does the virus cause it? Maybe an immune reaction to an antigen ... the spike protein? ... is the mechanism. I’m not clear on this point. It can still be said SARS2 is the cause if it would not happen otherwise. I’m not looking for an argument, only clarification. Oh...and why do people die? Take away remdesivir, what is the mortality? Thanks!
covid is the disease caused by the virus
COVID is used interchangeably for the flu and the in-patient condition, which are very different. I still think that distinction is necessary in the discussion. It is a point of contention to say the virus causes the latter when it is no longer present. Does the virus cause COVID? The “best” answer is “yes” (remember SATs?) but it there is ambiguity because the link between the virus and the “COVID” disease described by hospital personnel is not clear. Not only is the cause of the thrombosis not entirely clear (as far as I know) but the link to the virus is broken by the absence of the virus and the complications of hospital protocols that have long been confused with the disease.
It’s unfortunate that this time and attention isn’t being allowed to focus on conducting the experiments that Cowan et. al. have been recommending.
True scientific inquiry, not individually centered debate, is what has a chance of shifting us out of this exhausting rut.
In lieu of any takers (crowd goes “yawn”) take the proposed prize money and contribute a portion of it towards making the Cowan/Bailey trials even better.
If not conclusive, they may provide us all with an opportunity to further pursue truth and leave behind assumptions which have transformed into competing belief systems - and ensured divisiveness in perpetuity.
They have the money. Why don't you ask them?
And some viruses can be easily seen under an optical microscope. THey didn't disclose that. Does that change your mind?
No, it doesn't change my mind because those "viruses" have not been isolated from all potentially contaminating material. That is not the scientific method by my understanding.
I will ask Dr Cowan directly this week, but I have heard him say on more than one occasion that they have the money. Besides, that's a moot point if even the premise of the experiment is under question.
You have absolutely no idea what you're seeing under an "optical microscope" if it hasn't first been ISOLATED & PURIFIED.
I could take a random sample of something of unknown origin, stick it under a microscope, circle a few particles, add in a few arrows & labels and BOOM! VIRUS. That is exactly how credible your argument is.
2 of the biggest problems here are step 1 is always omitted from these experiments - no isolation. And there is never a control. Why do you continue to disregard these critical points? Is it acceptable to arbitrarily change the definition of a word that means 1 thing in every other industry - and even the CDC CLEARLY knows what it means when they tell you to ISOLATE if you are exposed to someone with "symptoms". In that context, we all understand that ISOLATING means ALONE, BY ITSELF/ONESELF, NOTHING ELSE IS ADDED. In virology, ISOLATION suddenly changed to mean the exact opposite of that - TO COMBINE WITH OTHER GENETIC RNA/DNA MATERIAL. Does that really seem logical to you Steve?
Is it acceptable to omit a control experiment when trying to determine scientific truths of somethings existence? The scientific method says a BIG HELL NO.
Therefore, whatever nonsense virologists BELIEVE they are doing, is NOT REAL SCIENCE. End of story.
I also find it interesting that your entire premise above is based on BELIEF only. Science isn't about BELIEF, CONSENSUS, POLLS, VOTING.
Its absolutely hilarious that you don't see the issues with your statements. THIS IS WHY NO ONE WILL DEBATE YOU. You're making an as of yourself, running around like a child proclaiming "I'm Steve, look how rich I am! I'm always right and anyone who disagrees with me is WRONG WRONG WRONG! I HAVE "EXPERTS" WHO TELL ME WHAT TO THINK! Forget that these experts are captured by Big Pharma - the majority of their funding & contracts come directly from the companies currently maiming & killing everyone!"
Shed the ego. Its not a good look and people who once supported you are becoming disgusted by your attitude & approach lately.
Perhaps learn how to be a little more humble & open minded. This entire discussion has become hostile largely because of your terrible approach & attitude. I'm continually amazing at how little self awareness you have.
LOL. Maybe someday you'll have a moment of clarity.
How can you know it is a virus or what you see under the microscope?
I also wonder if you can debate without betting any money on it?
Hi Steve,
I notice you havent argued that altrrnative, early treatments work against Covid. Whats your thinking here?
it's in one of the 14 bets
https://elylazar.substack.com/p/dr-fleming-confirms-covid-19-is-a