One thing the MAGA crowd needs to recognize is that if trials do happen, Trump is going down as well. He (and his SIL) were obviously the prime movers behind Operation Warp Speed. You can bet that anyone being hauled before a Nuremberg II style trial (including Fauci), will claim that they were pressured by Trump to get the "vaccine" to …
One thing the MAGA crowd needs to recognize is that if trials do happen, Trump is going down as well. He (and his SIL) were obviously the prime movers behind Operation Warp Speed. You can bet that anyone being hauled before a Nuremberg II style trial (including Fauci), will claim that they were pressured by Trump to get the "vaccine" to market ASAP. It wouldn't surprise me that, if Fauci were put on the hot seat, he would gladly turn over emails and texts from Trump that lays this whole crime against humanity, at Trump's feet.
In other words, if Fauci, et al. are convicted, Trump would necessarily be convicted as well.
@Beeblebrox: I don’t blame Donald Trump. He should have been able to trust his medical & public health staff. Doubt seriously that he was aware of the corruption that was going on. He did many things right & made an effort to flood the country with Hydroxychloroquine early on. His efforts were sabotaged by corrupt bureaucrats. Widespread early treatment would have ended the pandemic.
Your premise is faulty, so your argument fails. Your premise is that it is the mere availability of the vaxx that is the problem. It's not. The problems are 1. Mandates 2. Lack of informed consent/suppression of material information/suppression of alternative treatments and protocols 3. Lack of follow-up 4. Unnecessarily prolonged emergency status 5. Imposition of punishments such as long of medical licenses, job/income loss, imprisonment or other censures.
Actually no. My premise is sound. The things you add are certainly true but Trump's Emergency declaration and later, his Warp Speed operation were the evils that made the other later evils possible.
If Trump had not been so intent on being the savior of the world, the mRNA tech would, to this day, still be in trials. Covid would be a memory by the time those trials finished 5 or 10 years hence.
So is the flu no danger to 99% of the population. But there’s a big flu shot push every year. He probably knew that COVID was not a big deal. But people thought it was. His plan was to get it out there, assuming it would be like the yearly flu shot - ie mainly useless but more or less harmless. He was lied to. He was out of office before anything definitive could be known.
So the defense of Trump is that he is a moron? Okay, we all knew this already.
I suppose it would be something if he got in front of cameras to apologize for being responsible (and he IS the one who is ultimately reponsible) for killing hundreds of thousands of people.
Trump may not be very polished and you may not agree with him, but he is far from being a moron.
If you want to see a moron, look at the current occupant of the White House. Even before his brain broke he wasn’t very bright. And he’s always been corrupt.
Biden and the Dims in Congress have given us the economic mess with their stupid policies.
If I hire an ax murderer with impeccable credentials to run a daycare and he chops everyone to pieces am I ‘ultimately responsible’? Of course not. Fauci, Birx, Bourla are ultimately responsible. The vax should have been stopped by February. April at the latest. That’s on Biden.
The actual analogy is you hire a professional daycare manager who has a terrible track record (in this case Fauci), and then demand that he run the daycare without any consideration for the health and well being of the children. You say to the guy "just get it done no matter what it takes."
As a backstop, you do have the sense to get at least some consultation on your warp speed daycare plan from another professional (Atlas) but then later fire him when the primary person with the terrible track record says that you shouldn't have hired the secondary consultant in the first place.
Because you're a moron, you just blissfully go about your warp speed daycare operation and even after it's clear that the daycare professional you hired is a criminal, you still claim that your original daycare plan was the most brilliant move any person has ever made.
You hate Trump. I get it. But use your head. Stop thinking with your hatred. He was told terrible lies. Including they can get a vaccine. By the time he knew COVID was no big deal the vaccine was on its way. They had manufactured millions of doses before they had approval. Not approval from Trump. From the letter agencies. NO ONE could have anticipated what happened. Anticipating the vax would be useless was easy to anticipate. Anticipating the entire worlds medical community would conspire to kill people was not reasonable to think when he set it in motion.
Sadly it's a bigger problem than that. Our DoD has partnered with Big Pharma. So they are actually no longer working for the us - the US. It's a globally coordinated plan, and our government appears captured and working for a larger entity.
We'll need to go after the many tentacles to get to the "head."
This is the honest approach but I know some Trump fans who think Trump “just got bad advice” so it’s not his fault.
So apparently the thinking is that underlings are to blame? Not the top dog?
If that’s the case then no one will be held accountable since people higher on the food chain (like Fauci) will simply claim that they too got bad advice.
However, that’s not how any of this works. The buck has to stop with someone.
If Trump “got bad advice” then Biden for bad advice, too ( from the same little man, no less). No way is that an excuse to do what has been done to those who simply wished to decline this medical intervention.
One thing the MAGA crowd needs to recognize is that if trials do happen, Trump is going down as well. He (and his SIL) were obviously the prime movers behind Operation Warp Speed. You can bet that anyone being hauled before a Nuremberg II style trial (including Fauci), will claim that they were pressured by Trump to get the "vaccine" to market ASAP. It wouldn't surprise me that, if Fauci were put on the hot seat, he would gladly turn over emails and texts from Trump that lays this whole crime against humanity, at Trump's feet.
In other words, if Fauci, et al. are convicted, Trump would necessarily be convicted as well.
@Beeblebrox: I don’t blame Donald Trump. He should have been able to trust his medical & public health staff. Doubt seriously that he was aware of the corruption that was going on. He did many things right & made an effort to flood the country with Hydroxychloroquine early on. His efforts were sabotaged by corrupt bureaucrats. Widespread early treatment would have ended the pandemic.
Your premise is faulty, so your argument fails. Your premise is that it is the mere availability of the vaxx that is the problem. It's not. The problems are 1. Mandates 2. Lack of informed consent/suppression of material information/suppression of alternative treatments and protocols 3. Lack of follow-up 4. Unnecessarily prolonged emergency status 5. Imposition of punishments such as long of medical licenses, job/income loss, imprisonment or other censures.
Actually no. My premise is sound. The things you add are certainly true but Trump's Emergency declaration and later, his Warp Speed operation were the evils that made the other later evils possible.
If Trump had not been so intent on being the savior of the world, the mRNA tech would, to this day, still be in trials. Covid would be a memory by the time those trials finished 5 or 10 years hence.
I don’t see how Trump can really be blamed. He’s not a doctor or a scientist, and he was lied to by Fauci, Collins , and Birx.
Deborah Birx bragged in her book about how they misled ( lied to) Donald Trump about the pandemic.
You can’t blame the man for trying to save lives. You certainly can blame the others for lying to him.....
So Biden is not to blame then, either. Not being that.
We could even make that claim about Biden Up until about April.
Trump didn’t try to FORCE people to get the clotshots.
Biden did.....repeatedly.
Enough said.
Did he or did he not pressure people THAT HE HIRED, to get the job done at “warp speed”?
When it became obvious that the trials were inadequate, did he put a stop to the rollout?
Did he not know that Covid was no danger to 99% of the population?
I knew. Why didn’t Trump?
All of this is clearly on Trump and he should answer for his terrible decisions.
Did it occur to you that he was trying to save lives?
Not everything is done with malevolent intent.
So is the flu no danger to 99% of the population. But there’s a big flu shot push every year. He probably knew that COVID was not a big deal. But people thought it was. His plan was to get it out there, assuming it would be like the yearly flu shot - ie mainly useless but more or less harmless. He was lied to. He was out of office before anything definitive could be known.
So the defense of Trump is that he is a moron? Okay, we all knew this already.
I suppose it would be something if he got in front of cameras to apologize for being responsible (and he IS the one who is ultimately reponsible) for killing hundreds of thousands of people.
That would be a good start.
Trump may not be very polished and you may not agree with him, but he is far from being a moron.
If you want to see a moron, look at the current occupant of the White House. Even before his brain broke he wasn’t very bright. And he’s always been corrupt.
Biden and the Dims in Congress have given us the economic mess with their stupid policies.
I ll take Trump over Biden any time.
If I hire an ax murderer with impeccable credentials to run a daycare and he chops everyone to pieces am I ‘ultimately responsible’? Of course not. Fauci, Birx, Bourla are ultimately responsible. The vax should have been stopped by February. April at the latest. That’s on Biden.
Your analogy is flawed. But good try anyway.
The actual analogy is you hire a professional daycare manager who has a terrible track record (in this case Fauci), and then demand that he run the daycare without any consideration for the health and well being of the children. You say to the guy "just get it done no matter what it takes."
As a backstop, you do have the sense to get at least some consultation on your warp speed daycare plan from another professional (Atlas) but then later fire him when the primary person with the terrible track record says that you shouldn't have hired the secondary consultant in the first place.
Because you're a moron, you just blissfully go about your warp speed daycare operation and even after it's clear that the daycare professional you hired is a criminal, you still claim that your original daycare plan was the most brilliant move any person has ever made.
You hate Trump. I get it. But use your head. Stop thinking with your hatred. He was told terrible lies. Including they can get a vaccine. By the time he knew COVID was no big deal the vaccine was on its way. They had manufactured millions of doses before they had approval. Not approval from Trump. From the letter agencies. NO ONE could have anticipated what happened. Anticipating the vax would be useless was easy to anticipate. Anticipating the entire worlds medical community would conspire to kill people was not reasonable to think when he set it in motion.
If that is the case then his defense will show that, no?
And it certainly doesn't explain his silence now does it?
I couldn't care in the least what party anyone who is guilty is from.
The FDA approved it. Studies were provided by pharma. Start there.
Sadly it's a bigger problem than that. Our DoD has partnered with Big Pharma. So they are actually no longer working for the us - the US. It's a globally coordinated plan, and our government appears captured and working for a larger entity.
We'll need to go after the many tentacles to get to the "head."
This is the honest approach but I know some Trump fans who think Trump “just got bad advice” so it’s not his fault.
So apparently the thinking is that underlings are to blame? Not the top dog?
If that’s the case then no one will be held accountable since people higher on the food chain (like Fauci) will simply claim that they too got bad advice.
However, that’s not how any of this works. The buck has to stop with someone.
If Trump “got bad advice” then Biden for bad advice, too ( from the same little man, no less). No way is that an excuse to do what has been done to those who simply wished to decline this medical intervention.