Steve -- You've been offering the other side a "debate" for quite a while without success. But maybe the resources of the VSRF can help in getting COVID-19 pseudo-vax proponents to answer some of your questions.
Instead of a "debate," characterize the interaction as a workshop or working group meeting.
Steve -- You've been offering the other side a "debate" for quite a while without success. But maybe the resources of the VSRF can help in getting COVID-19 pseudo-vax proponents to answer some of your questions.
Instead of a "debate," characterize the interaction as a workshop or working group meeting.
I used to practice aerospace structural dynamics engineering for a living. Back then, one of the big debates was whether component-level vibration testing was sufficient to ensure that the spacecraft would not break during launch, or if testing of the entire spacecraft all at once was needed. There were differing views within the technical community of NASA (JPL vs. GSFC), The Aerospace Corp. (representing USAF), spacecraft and launch vehicle manufacturers, test facilities, and specialized consultants. A key community interaction was the annual Spacecraft & Launch Vehicle Dynamic Environments Workshop, where interested parties would present and discuss their findings. After more than a decade, consensus was eventually reached and industry guidance documents were released (such as MIL-STD-1540 and NASA-HDBK-7005).
In these and other technical meetings that I've attended or run during my career, a formal set of minutes would be approved at the end by all parties to document the subjects discussed, key agreements and disagreements, and action items for any future meetings.
In the case of such a meeting with Professor Marty Makary, Dr. Damania, et al., I suggest that you propose a workshop to answer perhaps 5 or 6 basic questions agreed to in advance by all parties. Each side would present their findings on each question, with the presentations to be sent beforehand. Day One of the workshop would be for each presentation followed by detailed Q&A in the morning. Leave the afternoon open for people to gather data/analysis in order to answer questions that came up in the morning session. Day Two morning to review any new data and continue Q&A. Afternoon would be for capturing/agreeing on meeting minutes. I assume there would still be some disagreements, but at least those would be documented and out in the open.
Key questions might something like:
* What are the documented statistics on those who were previously infected (both vaccinated and unvaccinated) with COVID-19 becoming re-infected?
* What are the documented statistics on those who were previously infected (both vaccinated and unvaccinated) with COVID-19 transmitting the disease to someone else if they've become reinfected?
* What is the documented Number Needed to Vaccinate (NNTV) to prevent a single COVID-19 fatality in each major age group (e.g. kids aged from 5 to 11)?
* What is the VAERS Under-Reporing Factor for 2020, 2021 and 2022, and what is the consequent calculation of VAERS Excess Deaths for each year?
* What is the calculated Risk:Benefit ratio of COVID-19 vaccination as stratified by age?
* Why are vaccines showing negative efficacy after several months?
* Etc.
The workshop could be held virtually, like the VSRF meetings, to make it easy for people to attend. That also would eliminate one excuse by the other side to not attend.
Steve -- You've been offering the other side a "debate" for quite a while without success. But maybe the resources of the VSRF can help in getting COVID-19 pseudo-vax proponents to answer some of your questions.
Instead of a "debate," characterize the interaction as a workshop or working group meeting.
I used to practice aerospace structural dynamics engineering for a living. Back then, one of the big debates was whether component-level vibration testing was sufficient to ensure that the spacecraft would not break during launch, or if testing of the entire spacecraft all at once was needed. There were differing views within the technical community of NASA (JPL vs. GSFC), The Aerospace Corp. (representing USAF), spacecraft and launch vehicle manufacturers, test facilities, and specialized consultants. A key community interaction was the annual Spacecraft & Launch Vehicle Dynamic Environments Workshop, where interested parties would present and discuss their findings. After more than a decade, consensus was eventually reached and industry guidance documents were released (such as MIL-STD-1540 and NASA-HDBK-7005).
In these and other technical meetings that I've attended or run during my career, a formal set of minutes would be approved at the end by all parties to document the subjects discussed, key agreements and disagreements, and action items for any future meetings.
In the case of such a meeting with Professor Marty Makary, Dr. Damania, et al., I suggest that you propose a workshop to answer perhaps 5 or 6 basic questions agreed to in advance by all parties. Each side would present their findings on each question, with the presentations to be sent beforehand. Day One of the workshop would be for each presentation followed by detailed Q&A in the morning. Leave the afternoon open for people to gather data/analysis in order to answer questions that came up in the morning session. Day Two morning to review any new data and continue Q&A. Afternoon would be for capturing/agreeing on meeting minutes. I assume there would still be some disagreements, but at least those would be documented and out in the open.
Key questions might something like:
* What are the documented statistics on those who were previously infected (both vaccinated and unvaccinated) with COVID-19 becoming re-infected?
* What are the documented statistics on those who were previously infected (both vaccinated and unvaccinated) with COVID-19 transmitting the disease to someone else if they've become reinfected?
* What is the documented Number Needed to Vaccinate (NNTV) to prevent a single COVID-19 fatality in each major age group (e.g. kids aged from 5 to 11)?
* What is the VAERS Under-Reporing Factor for 2020, 2021 and 2022, and what is the consequent calculation of VAERS Excess Deaths for each year?
* What is the calculated Risk:Benefit ratio of COVID-19 vaccination as stratified by age?
* Why are vaccines showing negative efficacy after several months?
* Etc.
The workshop could be held virtually, like the VSRF meetings, to make it easy for people to attend. That also would eliminate one excuse by the other side to not attend.