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Bryan Manson's avatar

Why don't you just call it what it is: "Vaccine-induced Neurological Damage"?

Why legitimize it with an official sounding name which is designed to deflect it's true nature?

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I find it inexplicable that in mid-2025 we'd still have "educated" people defending the covid vaccines. For example, I had this exchange on Facebook after I mentioned the gut health connection having been known for many years now, and she mentions Mercola as if he would be the only source of that:

"Though Mercola has some useful information he has a daily scare for people to focus on. Health should not be that complicated, avoid junk food and drink, exercise, consume organic foods in proper combinations. Antibiotics are fraught with many negative side effects as are all of the drugs. And I've seen this painfully in my family with an older sister reduced to someone who needs a hoist to get in and out of bed in a nursing home, needing dialysis, courtesy of the drugs she trusted the doctors for. And I'd totally disagree with you on the mRNA vaccines; even a modern medicine friend came to the conclusion it is a flawed platform as all his allergies came back with the booster. The science is painfully clear on the covid vaccines and a number of others; they do little to address mutating viruses, they create huge numbers of side effects, many of them quite serious. Anyone with an open mind should have wised up to the pharma racket a long time ago--unless of course their livelihoods would be threatened by doing so. Just google "opioid epidemic", "vaers", unnecessary surgeries, medicine side effects. If you want to injure your own body that's your choice, but please don't try to push sickcare protocols on trusting and gullible people! My conscience would never permit me to push bad protocols on people."

Her response: "Sadly some things are coming through loud and clear in your reply.

The first one I shall address is abelism. You are assuming everyone can follow the protocol of healthy living and they'll be fine. For many people this is not the case. They have underlying issues, predispositions, weakened immunesystems, list goes on.

Then, you pretend as if everyone should know how to live/eat healthy but this in't the case either. Just look at the various views on healthy lving that have been around since you have been alive. Intermittent fasting? Calorie restriction? Yes carbs/no carbs, yes meat/no meat... I could go on. It's not only hard for many people to figure out what healthy food (habits) are but there is also the cost factor, not everyone can get it, nor can veryone afford it.

I lived in the North of Finland and meat and carbs were readily available, fruit and vegetables not so much and they wer SO epensive. So, there's a lot of factors that come into play here.

Then, Big pharma and medical care make a lot of mistakes and I certainly lost a lot of faith in the industry. Vaccines are not one of the things I lost faith in though, they have been saving peoples lives for a long time now. *

You'd understand how they do that if you know how vaccines work and how the immune system works. Are you willing to listen if I explain it to you? What sources do you find credible?

Viruses, on the other hand, not a single virus is safe. They all wreak havoc on your microbiome and the microbiome is a large part of our immune system, has effects on many things including mood and personality.

mRNA vaccines have been researched for almost 30 years now and have been proven safe. At this point there are so many studies showing thus fact that arguing against it just shows unwillingness to change your mind even when proof is right there.

Just because medical care and big pharma are bad sometimes does not mean bad everything.

* side effects do occur, some people have been very unlucky in this regard, which is why I would NEVER push vaccination on anyone. Everyone should make their own choices, but it helps if you are correctly informed.

Some people have allergic reactions, some people get a response that looks like the light version of the virus itself some are even worse off, sadly that happens. In the case of the vector vaccines for Covid I think there is reason to assume it might have to do with respiration. So vector vaccines use adnoviruses and from this type of vaccine it is known that they must absolutely be given intramuscular, they should not be injected into the blood stream, normally people would pull back the plunger when it's in the arm to check if any blood comes up, if it does thy have to toss it and try again. If it does get injected into the bloodstream it clots, and this is exactly the dangerous clotting we have seen from the vector vaccinations like Jansen and Oxford vaccines.

But many peoples lives could have been saved from Covid had they been vaccinated. If you put risk of side effect from Cov vaccins vs the actual virus, the risk from the actual virus is way more dangerous. But since no medicine is risk free it should always be an individual choice.

I can back everything I just said up with solid research. Can you?

Or are you someone who believes science is just an opinion? In which case I have nothing left to say."

My response:

"On this comment: "mRNA vaccines have been researched for almost 30 years now and have been proven safe. At this point there are so many studies showing thus fact that arguing against it just shows unwillingness to change your mind even when proof is right there." The most objective studies I've seen are those without the gargantuan financial conflicts of interests that those whose livelihoods are dependent on believing the fake narrative that such vaccines are "safe and effective". They aren't and dozens of substacks by people such as Alex Berenson, Pierre Kory, "A Midwestern Doctor" and doctors such as Ryan Cole and Paul Marik have put their livelihoods on the line writing critically of the covid shots; in this state at Yale Harvey Risch, in other states, Dr. Peter McCullough ; Dr. Bret Weinstein; Dr. Jay Bhattacharya. These all have come out with fully documented positions, papers and arguments willing to have open discussions with the likes of sleazy operators such as Paul Offit, Fauci, Collins, Birx, Peter Hotez. And most of us have personal stories on our own or family and friends that had bad reactions and virtually no benefits from these shots which was not true of prior "vaccines" and that's why there is so much controversy. The childhood vaccine schedule is absurdly large and I'm glad that scrutiny is finally coming to many of the vaccines, which in many cases do little good and all, even the older ones with less safety and efficacy issues may be of little use such as the tetanus shot which has applicability almost only with farm workers."

Then: "... you just called the frauds reliable sources. I think we should just agree to disagree. Peter Hotez is a hero."

My response:

"Hotez is pure sleaze as you can see with all his bias, his unwillingness to engage in open debate. That alone disqualifies Hotez and his close ally Fauci and other pharma stooges. To quote the good book: "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" I can't imagine more open minded and objective scientific writers as those I quoted, and many of them went along with Fauci and Trump's "Operation warp speed" program until they saw all the flashing alarm signals. And you have the audacity to call these courageous men "frauds"??"

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