Discussion about this post

User's avatar
A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

Hi Steve! I have been studying this issue for a long time and I have only drank reverse osmosis water since I was a teenager and first learned about it . A few of the main points are as follows:

•Fluoride is immensely difficult to filter from water; RO is one of the only reliable approaches--however if you do that you must supplement your diet with magnesium (if you go the spring water route, you need to make sure you do not pick a brand that has high amounts of Fluoride).

•Many industries, particularly the aluminum and phosphate producers produce fluoride as a byproduct of their production process. These industries ran into repeated issues with poisoning or killing workers and the surrounding communities from fluoride gas leaks, so industry concocted the idea of having fluoride be good for the teeth in order to get them out of liability in these lawsuits (since it could be argued in court Fluoride can't be toxic if it is good for teeth). Despite exerting heavy pressure on the FDA, the FDA was not willing to grant them this due to the evidence of harm for fluoride and the absence of benefit from it.

•When the Manhattan project was being conducted, uranium centrifuges did not yet exist, so the only way that was possible to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons was to dissolve it in fluoride and separate the resulting gas by density. The Manhattan project ran into the same issues the previous industries had run into, and on the basis of national security, it was decided that fluoride needed to go into the water so that we could make atomic weapons and win the war. Bill Clinton declassified documents that showed as such (this was first detailed in The Fluoride Deception).

•The best book I have seen that explains the pathologic effects of fluoride is titled "Fluoride the Aging Factor." It essentially makes the case that fluoride at a very low dose disrupts the structures of many proteins in the body due to its high electronegativity interfering with the hydrogen bonds they depend on for their three-dimensional stability. The most common side effect which is observed from this is weakening of collagen in the body, and in areas where individuals have high amounts of fluoride in their water (a few villages in India best showed this pathological process), they age quickly and have a weakened or deformed bone structure. From having looked at this for a while, I do believe that fluoride does long-term damage to the bones of the body (which may also come from Fluoride chemically altering the bones, which in theory is how it "helps" your teeth).

•There is a decent amount of data that shows water fluoridation significantly increases cancer rates (this can be found within fluoride the aging factor).

•There are a variety of endocrine affects that result from fluoride. The primary one is that fluoride weakens the thyroid gland, likely due to the fact the thyroid gland preferentially accumulates iodine, and fluoride substitutes for iodine (a related issue also exists with bromine which is used to bleach most flour). Hypothyroidism is become extremely common in the population (and it's one of the most common issues that integrative medicine practitioners treat and sometimes achieve miraculous results from addressing). One, but not the only, potential cause that has been put forward for this is the fluoride exposure. Additionally, baths in fluoridated water were previously used as a treatment for hyperthyroidism.

• I personally believe the most concerning effects of fluoride are the neuropsychiatric effects. The magnitude of this effect is difficult to quantify (some believe the amounts we are exposed to in the water are sufficient to change individual's minds, others believe higher doses such as those received from fluorinated pharmaceuticals are necessary to achieve that effect). One conspiracy theory that has gone around for a long time is that the Nazis fluorinated the water of the Jewish ghettos in order to make them more submissive and compliant. I spent a while trying to find a primary source for this claim, and I was able to go as far back as someone in the US military saying it was done, but I never was able to find any direct verification this occurred. However, I have seen those effects occur in individuals who have taken fluorinated pharmaceuticals, particularly antidepressants.

•Many of the drugs which appear to have the highest rates of adverse events are ones that have fluoride added onto them. It is specifically for this reason that I always look at the chemical structure of a pharmaceutical before I consider using it. This frequently comes up for me with the antifungal's (some people with mold issues need them) because the cheapest antifungal on the market (fluconazole) is fluorinated and causes reactions in some patients, whereas the other antifungals that do not have this issue are much more expensive (and typically not covered by insurance). The most common fluorinated medicines which caused significant issues for people are the fluoroquinolone antibiotics and the fluorinated SSRI antidepressants (the dose you got from taking a fluorinated medication over the long term is much higher than what you will be exposed to in the water).

•In general, I am extremely grateful for my lifelong choice to completely avoid non-reverse osmosis water. I am not sure if the health benefits I have received from that choice or directly a result of avoiding fluoride or if it came from something else.

•There is no evidence that fluoride benefits individuals and many have been fighting for decades to get it out of the water supply (with a few successes in recent years!). Additionally, different forms of fluoride are much more toxic than others, and typically the more toxic industrial fluoride waste products are what end up in the water supply rather than sodium fluoride (which is still dangerous enough that it can hospitalize children who swallow too much toothpaste).

•Many believe fluoride disrupts mitochondrial function. When I last looked into this, there was a case for it but there was no solid proof.

•There are a variety of relatively simple measures that can be conducted which do dramatically help dental health but are almost never looked at (dentists have a mass formation around fluoridation being the solution to everything and various high fluoride tooth pastes are often prescribed by them to patients).

•Studies have now shown drinking fluoridated water drops IQ. This could either be due to it causing hypothyroidism or it directly affecting the brain. Sadly, many infant formulas you find at the store are advertised as being fluorinated; that is how far the faith in this practice goes.

•One of the things that is immensely frustrating about public health is how many of their efforts are directed at either giving as many vaccinations as possible or fluorinating as many water supplies as possible. In many ways, the mass formation behind both is nearly identical, and I can't think of any other practices they have a similar devotion to. Additionally, in both cases because of the one size fits all mentality they follow, they never consider the effects of different doses on people and if they can tolerate those doses (many of the issues with vaccines come from individuals getting a dose that exceeds what they can tolerate, the same is true for fluoride exposure; if it is a medical intervention it is not appropriate it to administer it through the water supply--although physicians have used the widespread fluoridation of the water supply to justify other additions such as statins and lithium).

Lastly if you have the chance, could you please look at this article about the history behind the physician censoring law? https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/californias-misinformation-epidemic (part 2 which focuses specifically on California is linked to at the end of the article)

Expand full comment
T a's avatar

Watching Steve be red-pilled in real time- from exposing covid vaccines to regular vaccines to fluoride makes my heart happy.

Let’s do glysophate next!!

Expand full comment
732 more comments...

No posts