All good points. On point #2, I can verify as someone with a to-date somewhat mild autoimmune condition (psoriasis) but an auto-immune condition nonetheless: All indications I could gather from the CDC's web site, etc. were that nobody with any autoimmune condition was included in the clinical trials for these Pfizer/Moderna (and proba…
All good points. On point #2, I can verify as someone with a to-date somewhat mild autoimmune condition (psoriasis) but an auto-immune condition nonetheless: All indications I could gather from the CDC's web site, etc. were that nobody with any autoimmune condition was included in the clinical trials for these Pfizer/Moderna (and probably J and J) "vaxes." I agree that they then proceeded to imply to people with autoimmune conditions that they are in a high-risk group from Covid and need to hurry up and get the shot. This, for everyone's info, is one marker of Big Pharma "ethics". By the way, I saw what I perceived to be changes on the CDC web site saying they had included autoimmune people in the clinical trials, after an earlier version said they hadn't. Conversing with people actually running a clinical trial at a university, the latter source said they hadn't (Pfizer et al had not included autoimmune people in their clinical trial).
Thank you very much. Any chance you can provide more detailed sources for some of that? I've been working on writing something on this topic and some of your references are not within the pool I'm working from.
Upon Emailing them about the study, of course they said it didn't encompass psoriasis (and I wasn't gonna volunteer anyway); but the detail they added was:
"The study is looking at these 4 autoimmune diseases: Sjogren's, Scleroderma, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and Myositis."
The CDC guidance web pages are (surprise!) a mess and I think I remember at least 2 simple statements from them during 2021 which contradict each other; am not finding either of those easily today. I think the first (chronologically) warned that people with autoimmune conditions had not been in the "vaccine" clinical trials, so they couldn't offer all the assurance that those great clinical trials offered to others. The second (chronological) verbiage on that web page, unless I read it wrong, said there *had* been people with autoimmune conditions in those clinical trials.
All good points. On point #2, I can verify as someone with a to-date somewhat mild autoimmune condition (psoriasis) but an auto-immune condition nonetheless: All indications I could gather from the CDC's web site, etc. were that nobody with any autoimmune condition was included in the clinical trials for these Pfizer/Moderna (and probably J and J) "vaxes." I agree that they then proceeded to imply to people with autoimmune conditions that they are in a high-risk group from Covid and need to hurry up and get the shot. This, for everyone's info, is one marker of Big Pharma "ethics". By the way, I saw what I perceived to be changes on the CDC web site saying they had included autoimmune people in the clinical trials, after an earlier version said they hadn't. Conversing with people actually running a clinical trial at a university, the latter source said they hadn't (Pfizer et al had not included autoimmune people in their clinical trial).
Thank you very much. Any chance you can provide more detailed sources for some of that? I've been working on writing something on this topic and some of your references are not within the pool I'm working from.
This is about the University study; it was seeking volunteers at the time: https://inside.upmc.com/pitt-cover-study-aims-to-understand-covid-19-vaccine-response-in-patients-with-autoimmune-diseases/
Upon Emailing them about the study, of course they said it didn't encompass psoriasis (and I wasn't gonna volunteer anyway); but the detail they added was:
"The study is looking at these 4 autoimmune diseases: Sjogren's, Scleroderma, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and Myositis."
The CDC guidance web pages are (surprise!) a mess and I think I remember at least 2 simple statements from them during 2021 which contradict each other; am not finding either of those easily today. I think the first (chronologically) warned that people with autoimmune conditions had not been in the "vaccine" clinical trials, so they couldn't offer all the assurance that those great clinical trials offered to others. The second (chronological) verbiage on that web page, unless I read it wrong, said there *had* been people with autoimmune conditions in those clinical trials.
Ah wonderful. Thank you.