The Goldberg, et al. "hybrid immunity" study found that rates of infection for recovered + vaccinated were a hair lower than for recovered alone, at 4-8 months (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v1). That would suggest the reinfection of your contact's son is unusual.
The Goldberg, et al. "hybrid immunity" study found that rates of infection for recovered + vaccinated were a hair lower than for recovered alone, at 4-8 months (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v1). That would suggest the reinfection of your contact's son is unusual.
However, that was before Omicron. It could be that a lot of the "reinfections" we are hearing about w/ Omicron are cases just like that - infection + vaccine + Omicron. Either having high residual antibodies is not good when it comes to Omicron, or the vaccine causes the immune system to deprioritize the full spectrum immune response (against all the epitopes associated with the virus) in favor of the spike. In either case, the recovered+vaccinated looked like they weren't being disfavored before but now that the spike is more mutated, the damage becomes clear.
And then there's general immune suppression, anecdotally this is well supported. Again, this was hidden before by the "anti-spike immunity" but the spike is too different now.
Thank you Brian. Clicking on it....Cheers, Jim These two years have been completely insane. I haven't lost course, however. Just disappointed and ticked off, but much better educated on immunology!!!!
Me too, though I have gone a step further and looked directly at the published evidence for discovering a new virus. When one is ready to go down that rabbit hole, I declare it will be interesting for anyone intellectually inclined. However, you do have to buckle up and learn the abstruse terminology of virology, once you do you can explore the evidence directly and run it by your logic filters and understanding of the basic scientific method. My conclusion after these 2 years where I had nothing more important to do...is that the entire field of virology is a pseudoscience. They have never found a virus directly in an "infected" person, and say they can only produce them by culturing them on chemically treated foreign tissue culture...and oh so much more...
Hi Janine, I have seen some discussions as to what you are alluding to. I haven't increased my "pay grade / education level" to that level yet, but I am getting there. I'm glad you have been able to get there. It is fascinating study.
The Goldberg, et al. "hybrid immunity" study found that rates of infection for recovered + vaccinated were a hair lower than for recovered alone, at 4-8 months (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.04.21267114v1). That would suggest the reinfection of your contact's son is unusual.
However, that was before Omicron. It could be that a lot of the "reinfections" we are hearing about w/ Omicron are cases just like that - infection + vaccine + Omicron. Either having high residual antibodies is not good when it comes to Omicron, or the vaccine causes the immune system to deprioritize the full spectrum immune response (against all the epitopes associated with the virus) in favor of the spike. In either case, the recovered+vaccinated looked like they weren't being disfavored before but now that the spike is more mutated, the damage becomes clear.
And then there's general immune suppression, anecdotally this is well supported. Again, this was hidden before by the "anti-spike immunity" but the spike is too different now.
Both possibilities discussed at https://unglossed.substack.com/p/neg
Thank you Brian. Clicking on it....Cheers, Jim These two years have been completely insane. I haven't lost course, however. Just disappointed and ticked off, but much better educated on immunology!!!!
Me too, though I have gone a step further and looked directly at the published evidence for discovering a new virus. When one is ready to go down that rabbit hole, I declare it will be interesting for anyone intellectually inclined. However, you do have to buckle up and learn the abstruse terminology of virology, once you do you can explore the evidence directly and run it by your logic filters and understanding of the basic scientific method. My conclusion after these 2 years where I had nothing more important to do...is that the entire field of virology is a pseudoscience. They have never found a virus directly in an "infected" person, and say they can only produce them by culturing them on chemically treated foreign tissue culture...and oh so much more...
Hi Janine, I have seen some discussions as to what you are alluding to. I haven't increased my "pay grade / education level" to that level yet, but I am getting there. I'm glad you have been able to get there. It is fascinating study.