Percey and Mookie, I have an understanding of both statements and appreciate both opinions. Percey, yes there are LICENSES we must obtain for MARRIAGE, for INCORPORATION, to Drive a Car, to Vote, etc. and Mookie, we have FREEDOMS and RIGHTS guaranteed to us by GOD. But as you mentioned HISTORY which defines what occurred before our LIF…
Percey and Mookie, I have an understanding of both statements and appreciate both opinions. Percey, yes there are LICENSES we must obtain for MARRIAGE, for INCORPORATION, to Drive a Car, to Vote, etc. and Mookie, we have FREEDOMS and RIGHTS guaranteed to us by GOD. But as you mentioned HISTORY which defines what occurred before our LIFE TIME and the BIBLE is one of the BEST HISTORY BOOKS concern both WARS, CIVILIZATIONS of ACIENT TIMES but it explains GOD'S LAWS which DO NOT CHANGE.
The United States is know as a GREAT EXPERIMENT with many of the U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEED based in BIBLE LAW, one being FREEDOMS which MAN expanded upon to include RELIGION due to HISTORY of ANTI-RELIGIOUS MOVEMENTS which caused may initial IMMIGRATE a path to ESCAPE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION!
Percey, we have LAWS which require LINCENSES to allow for an orderly SOCIETY because Human's have be granted FREE WILL from our creator and for some weird reason Human's are sinners and many follow that LIFE STYLE and without LAWS does not allow for PEACEFUL ASSIMILATION into SOCIETY.
MOST not all of our LAWS have a foundation into BIBLICAL LAWS and others LAWS can easily be determined to be of a nature that denies GOD'S LAWS. We as Citizen's who have an UNDERSTANDING of the BIBLE or just a BASIC UNDERSTAND realize that the LAWS are in place so all can live in peace together instead of having TRIBAL WARS whenever LEADERSHIP CHANGES.
All reading is subject to an individuals' INTERPRETATION! Doctors read the same medical books yet interpret the same information differently! Joys of being a HUMAN! The same applies to the Bible, IMHO! I will always agree to disagree with EVERYONE who does not share my opinion as this IS STILL AMERICA & we are ENTITLED to each have our own free thinking MIND & OPINION! & Thank you, God, & our founders, for that!
Mookie, thanks, my thoughts exactly. It would be a very boring world if we all looked alike, talked alike, thought alike, etc. GOD made us individuals.
Add to ALL this the misrepresentations we hear about our laws and government every day. Hardly one goes by you don't hear some politician rambling about "this great democracy." A thing even the government described as the most sophisticated form of socialism known to man.
We hear people rambling about the central government, referring to the U.S., as if the tenth amendment and the other fifty constitutions don't exist and CONgress is our boss (though the LOPEZ case makes clear the tenth amendment and those other constitutions are real and do work as [partial] checks and balances against the feds and their ongoing attempts at overreach.
To the previous I would add, there are many examples of the people's agents gaming the system. Consider the example of traffic infractions.
Only a few decades ago, driving ten miles an hour over the speed limit on a long, lonely desert highway, like the ones around me, was a crime. Attorneys and other public officials convinced citizens they cared so much about them they would decriminalize such things so that they would no longer have a criminal traffic fine on their record.
What they NEVER mentioned was, no longer would you be judged by a jury of your peers, who would judge the facts. Instead, you'd be judged by a judge, who judged both the law and facts.
It was not mentioned that the judge saw his/her retirement grow with each fine.
It was not mentioned you would no longer be presumed innocent, and the government required to prove you guilty. Instead, you would have to do what, more often than not, was impossible - prove yourself innocent. Elsewhere in law this burden is frowned on for the obvious reason it is impossible in many instances.
Now, with infractions, there remains a presumption, which is, what the agent writing the ticket said is true. Back to that "prove your innocence" thing.
The coffers of cities and counties started filling up much quicker, with the people's new freedom from crime in their orderly society.
Bruce, many of the things of which you speak are more presumption than fact.
Not all licenses are exist, as you say, to insure an orderly society. Many times they are just another law purposed to collect taxes or to give more control to agents over their masters, such that they become the masters, rather than the servants.
Merely that people think everyone must seek a license to do this or that does not make it so. For example, common law marriages exist even in states where people are expected to obtain a license to marry. One reason is, states where licenses it's said you must have permission of the state to marry must honor the laws of other states, or those state will not have to honor theirs. Colorado recognizes common law marriages. If a couple reach that status there, then move to State of Washington, or they are still married under Washington laws.
Add to the foregoing the fact the federal government recognizes common law marriages.
From there we can go to case law. The courts have declared a couple believing they are lawfully married will be treated as such. In part, this is to avoid either of the two parties from being damaged by a loss of right if they were treated as not being married.
Again, keep in mind a license is a permission to do what is said to be illegal without it. From there, we can go to article one, section eleven of the Washington Constitution, where we will see that constitution guarantees our right to establish and exercise religion. For many, God ordained marriage. As I said, the common law, the state constitution, guarantees that right.
As to that not all laws are grounded in the Bible, that could have gone without saying. Take LICENSED civil marriages, versus ones before God as an example.
After a few decades in law, if nothing else, I've learned law is often not what people think it is.
Case law is replete with proofs that many laws agents of the people claimed to put in place are not laws at all. Take Dementia Joe's brag about gun free zones: Creepy Joe failed to mention they were ALL struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court (U.S. vs LOPEZ (1995) as never having been laws at all. As the court stated, schools have nothing to do with interstate commerce. The only authority under which CONgress could have enacted a law affecting one of the several, united states.
From the foregoing, it is obvious many laws are not put in place "[s]o all can live in peace together instead of having TRIBAL WARS whenever LEADERSHIP CHANGES." To the contrary, many are nothing more than extensions of political garbage. Our law reports and case files bear that fact out.
Of course, we were warned what would happen if we got our wish and ended up with kings, by whatever name called, in charge.
Percey, I respect your opinion and it appears we are not that far apart but there are some basic differences in our interpretations. I appears and sounds like your opinions come from the Legal Profession (i.e. - a Lawyer) while mine from a everyday U.S. Citizen that has lived in other countries for over 10 years during my 71 year stay here on GODS GREEN EARTH! When I compare how LAWS were enforced in those countries and how they are enforced in the U.S. has left me with one opinion, GIVE ME THE U.S.! You see I agree with you about many LICENSE being on in place to collect tax revenue. But many LICENSES are also there to prevent someone from PRACTICE SURGERY with ever going to MEDICAL SCHOOL and the MEDICAL LICENSE gives the patient a sense of confidence in his or her doctor. Just like a LAW LICENSE prevents a person from practicing LAW with adequate education in LAW. Therefore my belief is there are positives to LICENSING and there are times they should never be required. However I do believe LAWS allow for citizens of different cultures to assimilate into our society. The LAWS do not stop a CRIMINAL but when they are captured and prosecuted it gets them off of the street to protect the masses.
In my seventy years, I've only lived in foreign countries for a few of them. From that, I know not everything we are told about foreign countries and the U.S. are true. Even Russians, who we were trained were hard put upon by their Russian agents have freedoms we don't.
If we don't educate ourselves and, at the least, inform others on what we learn, the America we were told we have will keep dwindling away.
Take money and assets. Nearly every last career politician spends money like a drunken sailor. It's so bad our country in trillions in debt to those who are NOT our friends and only stay their hand because it benefits them.
Much of that money is given away to foreigners or aliens. Many outside out country, many within. Just like pyramid or Ponzi schemes, it cannot keep going.
As to licensing, merely that some are good does not make them all good, any more than with other laws.
There is NO license to practice surgery, or law. There are, howevere, business licenses, but they are just that, business licenses.
To practice law, you get a bar card from an entity which claims to be part of the judiciary. That agency claims to be exempt from disclosure laws, claiming judicial protections. However, that same agency conducts executive branch functions, such as going after those who practice law without a bar card.
Sadly, having a license does not make you a good marriage partner, a good doctor, or a good attorney. I know paralegals, for lack of a better name, who can stomp all over the average attorney building pleadings and things, or in court.
Practicing law, like much of medicine, is just a business. You have people who graduated at the top and the bottom of the class. You have people who can think and those who can only parrot.
In the end, our nation was built on distrust as much as it was on trust. Sadly, we have it pounded into our heads, during all our school years, to trust, rather than question.
Sadly, laws are only as good as the people making and enforcing them. More and more dangerous criminals are being let back onto the streets. On the other hand, profitable low fruit, less dangerous criminals put us in at or around first place in per capita incarcerations.
Sadly, our medicine is heavily influenced by profit. Remove censorship and it would be impossible to dispute that much of what is tied to covid is hogwash. Ivermectin does work, as do vitamins, herb and minerals, but those on high would ban even God's remedies, if they could, to promote for profit shots that have gained some trillions, and killed and injured many others.
SIDE NOTE: Merely that someone is a felon does not mean they are full on evil. I know a more than few. Several of them I would trust with my bank accounts and PINs.
Percey, once again I thank you for your comments and find that there are multiple issues we apparently agree upon! Particularly when one gets to your lower paragraphs in respect to LAWS are only as good as the people enacting the LAW then to enforcement of those LAWS. My unfortunate fate in life left me with an Ex-wife who was a LEGAL SECRETARY who in my opinion could run circles around over half of the attorneys in the office where she worked. My brother was a District Attorney Investigator until he retire with over 30 years service and I as a Reserve Peace Officer for 25 years except during the time I was living outside the U.S. He had a stronger knowledge of the LAW than many of the Assistant District Attorneys he worked with over the years. I do understand your statement.
The next is our Medical Profession is steered by PROFITS and BIG PHARMA (as they like to be called), but over my lifetime i have been associated with Doctors that are some of the BEST of the BEST because they where extremely ETHICAL in their Practice and were not sway by the BIG PHARMA PROPAGANDA. Sad part is todays Physicians do not comply with that same ETHICAL STANDARD. Many doctors today could not diagnosis a case of Athletes Foot.
As for as your SIDE NOTE: I to have known and dealt with many FELONS but my experience has been a little different, there have only been one or maybe to whom I would trust with my car keys or PIN #. So I consider you a extremely luck person to have the opportunity to know so many criminals who have turned their life around. My opinion may offend some but GOD BLESS those who have found a brighter path to life.
It wasn't that the felons turned their lives around, it was more because it's so easy to be a felon.
We tend to think of felons as people who steal, extort, murder and so on. However, all it takes it to be on the wrong side of a bad law, be the one to get caught and so on.
Tomorrow, it could become a felony to own a fire arm. Obviously, there are many working to that end. If such a law passed, we would be surrounded by new felons.
We could use the matter of exes. Family courts are well known for their biases, and bending of rules to benefit themselves. That is how I got into law so many years ago (I figured out justice was a purchased thing, and I could not afford to purchase it. As such, I threw myself into the study of law, which allowed me to gain custody of my daughter, which resulted in her knowing both parents, rather than just her mother.
In the end, the things of which we speak make clear the veracity of Bible scriptures. For example, we are warned we can pledge our allegiance to only one master. If two, we would love one and hate the other.
In spite of that sage advice, we have long had it pounded into us that we should pledge our allegiance to a mere tool, the United States.
As I point out to people. I own a rather nice woodworking shop. In it can be found an over-arm pin router, a cabinet saw, drum and disk sanders, a couple band saws, three dust collectors, lathes and so on.
These are all fine and treasured tools. I protect and maintain them. I repair them when broken. However, I never, not once, pledged my allegiance to even my most treasured of my pieces of equipment.
We need to remember, our government of men are valued tools, but not things to which we should pledge our allegiance.
Percey and Mookie, I have an understanding of both statements and appreciate both opinions. Percey, yes there are LICENSES we must obtain for MARRIAGE, for INCORPORATION, to Drive a Car, to Vote, etc. and Mookie, we have FREEDOMS and RIGHTS guaranteed to us by GOD. But as you mentioned HISTORY which defines what occurred before our LIFE TIME and the BIBLE is one of the BEST HISTORY BOOKS concern both WARS, CIVILIZATIONS of ACIENT TIMES but it explains GOD'S LAWS which DO NOT CHANGE.
The United States is know as a GREAT EXPERIMENT with many of the U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEED based in BIBLE LAW, one being FREEDOMS which MAN expanded upon to include RELIGION due to HISTORY of ANTI-RELIGIOUS MOVEMENTS which caused may initial IMMIGRATE a path to ESCAPE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION!
Percey, we have LAWS which require LINCENSES to allow for an orderly SOCIETY because Human's have be granted FREE WILL from our creator and for some weird reason Human's are sinners and many follow that LIFE STYLE and without LAWS does not allow for PEACEFUL ASSIMILATION into SOCIETY.
MOST not all of our LAWS have a foundation into BIBLICAL LAWS and others LAWS can easily be determined to be of a nature that denies GOD'S LAWS. We as Citizen's who have an UNDERSTANDING of the BIBLE or just a BASIC UNDERSTAND realize that the LAWS are in place so all can live in peace together instead of having TRIBAL WARS whenever LEADERSHIP CHANGES.
Just my opinion.
All reading is subject to an individuals' INTERPRETATION! Doctors read the same medical books yet interpret the same information differently! Joys of being a HUMAN! The same applies to the Bible, IMHO! I will always agree to disagree with EVERYONE who does not share my opinion as this IS STILL AMERICA & we are ENTITLED to each have our own free thinking MIND & OPINION! & Thank you, God, & our founders, for that!
Mookie, thanks, my thoughts exactly. It would be a very boring world if we all looked alike, talked alike, thought alike, etc. GOD made us individuals.
Add to ALL this the misrepresentations we hear about our laws and government every day. Hardly one goes by you don't hear some politician rambling about "this great democracy." A thing even the government described as the most sophisticated form of socialism known to man.
We hear people rambling about the central government, referring to the U.S., as if the tenth amendment and the other fifty constitutions don't exist and CONgress is our boss (though the LOPEZ case makes clear the tenth amendment and those other constitutions are real and do work as [partial] checks and balances against the feds and their ongoing attempts at overreach.
To the previous I would add, there are many examples of the people's agents gaming the system. Consider the example of traffic infractions.
Only a few decades ago, driving ten miles an hour over the speed limit on a long, lonely desert highway, like the ones around me, was a crime. Attorneys and other public officials convinced citizens they cared so much about them they would decriminalize such things so that they would no longer have a criminal traffic fine on their record.
What they NEVER mentioned was, no longer would you be judged by a jury of your peers, who would judge the facts. Instead, you'd be judged by a judge, who judged both the law and facts.
It was not mentioned that the judge saw his/her retirement grow with each fine.
It was not mentioned you would no longer be presumed innocent, and the government required to prove you guilty. Instead, you would have to do what, more often than not, was impossible - prove yourself innocent. Elsewhere in law this burden is frowned on for the obvious reason it is impossible in many instances.
Now, with infractions, there remains a presumption, which is, what the agent writing the ticket said is true. Back to that "prove your innocence" thing.
The coffers of cities and counties started filling up much quicker, with the people's new freedom from crime in their orderly society.
Bruce, many of the things of which you speak are more presumption than fact.
Not all licenses are exist, as you say, to insure an orderly society. Many times they are just another law purposed to collect taxes or to give more control to agents over their masters, such that they become the masters, rather than the servants.
Merely that people think everyone must seek a license to do this or that does not make it so. For example, common law marriages exist even in states where people are expected to obtain a license to marry. One reason is, states where licenses it's said you must have permission of the state to marry must honor the laws of other states, or those state will not have to honor theirs. Colorado recognizes common law marriages. If a couple reach that status there, then move to State of Washington, or they are still married under Washington laws.
Add to the foregoing the fact the federal government recognizes common law marriages.
From there we can go to case law. The courts have declared a couple believing they are lawfully married will be treated as such. In part, this is to avoid either of the two parties from being damaged by a loss of right if they were treated as not being married.
Again, keep in mind a license is a permission to do what is said to be illegal without it. From there, we can go to article one, section eleven of the Washington Constitution, where we will see that constitution guarantees our right to establish and exercise religion. For many, God ordained marriage. As I said, the common law, the state constitution, guarantees that right.
As to that not all laws are grounded in the Bible, that could have gone without saying. Take LICENSED civil marriages, versus ones before God as an example.
After a few decades in law, if nothing else, I've learned law is often not what people think it is.
Case law is replete with proofs that many laws agents of the people claimed to put in place are not laws at all. Take Dementia Joe's brag about gun free zones: Creepy Joe failed to mention they were ALL struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court (U.S. vs LOPEZ (1995) as never having been laws at all. As the court stated, schools have nothing to do with interstate commerce. The only authority under which CONgress could have enacted a law affecting one of the several, united states.
From the foregoing, it is obvious many laws are not put in place "[s]o all can live in peace together instead of having TRIBAL WARS whenever LEADERSHIP CHANGES." To the contrary, many are nothing more than extensions of political garbage. Our law reports and case files bear that fact out.
Of course, we were warned what would happen if we got our wish and ended up with kings, by whatever name called, in charge.
Percey, I respect your opinion and it appears we are not that far apart but there are some basic differences in our interpretations. I appears and sounds like your opinions come from the Legal Profession (i.e. - a Lawyer) while mine from a everyday U.S. Citizen that has lived in other countries for over 10 years during my 71 year stay here on GODS GREEN EARTH! When I compare how LAWS were enforced in those countries and how they are enforced in the U.S. has left me with one opinion, GIVE ME THE U.S.! You see I agree with you about many LICENSE being on in place to collect tax revenue. But many LICENSES are also there to prevent someone from PRACTICE SURGERY with ever going to MEDICAL SCHOOL and the MEDICAL LICENSE gives the patient a sense of confidence in his or her doctor. Just like a LAW LICENSE prevents a person from practicing LAW with adequate education in LAW. Therefore my belief is there are positives to LICENSING and there are times they should never be required. However I do believe LAWS allow for citizens of different cultures to assimilate into our society. The LAWS do not stop a CRIMINAL but when they are captured and prosecuted it gets them off of the street to protect the masses.
In my seventy years, I've only lived in foreign countries for a few of them. From that, I know not everything we are told about foreign countries and the U.S. are true. Even Russians, who we were trained were hard put upon by their Russian agents have freedoms we don't.
If we don't educate ourselves and, at the least, inform others on what we learn, the America we were told we have will keep dwindling away.
Take money and assets. Nearly every last career politician spends money like a drunken sailor. It's so bad our country in trillions in debt to those who are NOT our friends and only stay their hand because it benefits them.
Much of that money is given away to foreigners or aliens. Many outside out country, many within. Just like pyramid or Ponzi schemes, it cannot keep going.
As to licensing, merely that some are good does not make them all good, any more than with other laws.
There is NO license to practice surgery, or law. There are, howevere, business licenses, but they are just that, business licenses.
To practice law, you get a bar card from an entity which claims to be part of the judiciary. That agency claims to be exempt from disclosure laws, claiming judicial protections. However, that same agency conducts executive branch functions, such as going after those who practice law without a bar card.
Sadly, having a license does not make you a good marriage partner, a good doctor, or a good attorney. I know paralegals, for lack of a better name, who can stomp all over the average attorney building pleadings and things, or in court.
Practicing law, like much of medicine, is just a business. You have people who graduated at the top and the bottom of the class. You have people who can think and those who can only parrot.
In the end, our nation was built on distrust as much as it was on trust. Sadly, we have it pounded into our heads, during all our school years, to trust, rather than question.
Sadly, laws are only as good as the people making and enforcing them. More and more dangerous criminals are being let back onto the streets. On the other hand, profitable low fruit, less dangerous criminals put us in at or around first place in per capita incarcerations.
Sadly, our medicine is heavily influenced by profit. Remove censorship and it would be impossible to dispute that much of what is tied to covid is hogwash. Ivermectin does work, as do vitamins, herb and minerals, but those on high would ban even God's remedies, if they could, to promote for profit shots that have gained some trillions, and killed and injured many others.
SIDE NOTE: Merely that someone is a felon does not mean they are full on evil. I know a more than few. Several of them I would trust with my bank accounts and PINs.
Percey, once again I thank you for your comments and find that there are multiple issues we apparently agree upon! Particularly when one gets to your lower paragraphs in respect to LAWS are only as good as the people enacting the LAW then to enforcement of those LAWS. My unfortunate fate in life left me with an Ex-wife who was a LEGAL SECRETARY who in my opinion could run circles around over half of the attorneys in the office where she worked. My brother was a District Attorney Investigator until he retire with over 30 years service and I as a Reserve Peace Officer for 25 years except during the time I was living outside the U.S. He had a stronger knowledge of the LAW than many of the Assistant District Attorneys he worked with over the years. I do understand your statement.
The next is our Medical Profession is steered by PROFITS and BIG PHARMA (as they like to be called), but over my lifetime i have been associated with Doctors that are some of the BEST of the BEST because they where extremely ETHICAL in their Practice and were not sway by the BIG PHARMA PROPAGANDA. Sad part is todays Physicians do not comply with that same ETHICAL STANDARD. Many doctors today could not diagnosis a case of Athletes Foot.
As for as your SIDE NOTE: I to have known and dealt with many FELONS but my experience has been a little different, there have only been one or maybe to whom I would trust with my car keys or PIN #. So I consider you a extremely luck person to have the opportunity to know so many criminals who have turned their life around. My opinion may offend some but GOD BLESS those who have found a brighter path to life.
It wasn't that the felons turned their lives around, it was more because it's so easy to be a felon.
We tend to think of felons as people who steal, extort, murder and so on. However, all it takes it to be on the wrong side of a bad law, be the one to get caught and so on.
Tomorrow, it could become a felony to own a fire arm. Obviously, there are many working to that end. If such a law passed, we would be surrounded by new felons.
We could use the matter of exes. Family courts are well known for their biases, and bending of rules to benefit themselves. That is how I got into law so many years ago (I figured out justice was a purchased thing, and I could not afford to purchase it. As such, I threw myself into the study of law, which allowed me to gain custody of my daughter, which resulted in her knowing both parents, rather than just her mother.
In the end, the things of which we speak make clear the veracity of Bible scriptures. For example, we are warned we can pledge our allegiance to only one master. If two, we would love one and hate the other.
In spite of that sage advice, we have long had it pounded into us that we should pledge our allegiance to a mere tool, the United States.
As I point out to people. I own a rather nice woodworking shop. In it can be found an over-arm pin router, a cabinet saw, drum and disk sanders, a couple band saws, three dust collectors, lathes and so on.
These are all fine and treasured tools. I protect and maintain them. I repair them when broken. However, I never, not once, pledged my allegiance to even my most treasured of my pieces of equipment.
We need to remember, our government of men are valued tools, but not things to which we should pledge our allegiance.